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https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rolleston-198

Seems to be relevant family but he clearly did not die in 1907.

Details from family gravestone

https://tipperarystudies.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/A. Vol 1 Parish of Knigh reduced.pdf page 9

This https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TuHIDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1451&lpg=PA1451&dq=john+rolleston+wolfe+rockford+nenagh&source=bl&ots=cb2n7w6JKt&sig=ACfU3U2YMVJeSccRLk3GPnJmDIVa4ZJI8w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDooe_pdP4AhX8S0EAHXQzBvQQ6AF6BAgLEAM#v=onepage&q=john rolleston wolfe rockford nenagh&f=false has him as late 3rd battalion

According to newspaper reports given Hon Lt Col 20/2/1909 with 3rd RIR

There is a report in the Freeman's Journal on 2/6/1917 that a Col. John Wolfe of Rockford, Nenagh has rejoined the army

Seem to have resigned his commission in 1911 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28496/page/3820 

and probable re-entry https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30200/supplement/7559 and possible resignation https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30656/supplement/5125 in April 1918. 

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Excellent finds, Thank you Mark. I have a lot of digging to do in the morning with all your finds, brilliant stuff. So he did serve during the war then!

Kind regards.

Tom.

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Ivor and Mark have done a great job for you. :)

I think you need to see his officer's service papers to see why he relinquished his commission Temp. Maj. (Hon. Lt.-Col., ret., Spec. Res.) J. R. Wolfe relinquishes his temp, commn. 5th Apr. 1918. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30656/supplement/5125

5 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said:

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Got to now try and find that lung condition Pulmonry abscess, 5 months [i.e. starting in/from approx. March 1918] - the rest being fairly natural consequences of that condition - perhaps in those service papers.

His widow must have thought she had a claim for a war widow's pension - shame we can't [yet?] see if she got awarded one [the fact that the card is annotated with her remarried name of BARTHOLOMEW suggests there was still a degree of continued interest at the MoP - wish I could find the date of her remarriage - the later the better really I suppose to help reinforce  her claim/help reinforce the suggestion of any award - the PIC wasn't annotated 'Rejected' so that is positive I think] - perhaps in those service papers too??

M

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I agree totally Matlock, Ivor and Mark did an excellent job to be sure. I agree with your observations but I know in my heart and soul I will not get to Kew to dig out the service papers. I will do a bit more digging and see what crops up.

 Thanks again everyone.

 Kindest regards.

Tom.

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1 minute ago, museumtom said:

I know in my heart and soul I will not get to Kew to dig out the service papers.

Unfortunately I can't help you with Kew but there are GWF members who seem to visit quite often.

Perhaps a publicised 'Wanted' request from you might get someone to kindly pay a visit/look at his papers for you and then report back. ???

M

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Excellent idea Matlock, thank you, I will do it now.

 

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Lucinda E F Wolfe married one of these people
John H C Bartholomew

3Q 1920 Nenagh

John Henry Croker Bartholomew. Appears to have been sent to an asylum in 1924 after attempting to murder someone. Possibly 768747 28th Londons

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Thank you Mark, all info is helpful and very much appreciated. 

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Looks to me that Bartholomew was probably a fraudster and was not a Captain.

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He has a Pension Card which doesn't tell us a lot directly

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Good morning and thank you George. Your card seems to imply that he had been in the army and got a pension?

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I think this one says 'Mania'

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Oooh George that opens up a big bag of worms, he was a con man or a mad man then?

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I do think he was fraudster possibly due to illness.

Probably born 28/6/1880. Served briefly in NZ forces as John Henry in 1914/5 (56 days) as a Private - describes himself as race horse trainer. He is described as a race horse owner in 1924 Irish prison register. 

The NZ docs indicates he suffered from General Paralysis of the Insane (Syphilis) . Nok is Mrs JJBartholomew that matches the above Marriage Certificate. Looks then subsequently returned to Ireland or UK and enlisted.

Place of birth also matches George's card

None of it gets us any further, But makes the search a bit racier!

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What a story! There is enough in there for a novel, thank you kindly Mark, a great find.

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13 minutes ago, museumtom said:

Your card seems to imply that he had been in the army and got a pension?

It does and was sent to Region 13 in 1921-which is Ireland I believe

George

9 minutes ago, Mark1959 said:

describes himself as race horese trainer. He is described as a race hore owner in 1924 Irish prison register. 

check Irish newspapers under J H C Batholomew and he has several 'hits' Got his licence at and had been a jockey

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search/irish-newspapers?date=1900-01-01&date_offsetdate=1949-12-31&firstname=j h c&lastname=bartholomew&modifiedfacets=true&exactnames=false&exactkeywords=false

George

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Good man George, thank you. Its a difficult job keeping up with all this new information, which is a good thing to be sure.

 

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1 hour ago, Mark1959 said:

Lucinda E F Wolfe married one of these people

appears to have died Feb 2nd 1945 in Milltown, Shinrone(?)

George

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Thank you George, Shinrone is beside Birr, County Offaly (King's County).

Thank you kindly Ivor, it all helps.

 

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He got an SWB

First name(s)  John H.
Cause of discharge  392. xvi King's Regulation Sick
Last name  Bartholomew
Whether served overseas  Yes
Rank  Private
Badge number  468941
Service number  768747
Badge date of issue  19-Apr-1920
Regiment/unit  28th Ldn Rgt
Record set  Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920
Enlistment date  11-Jul-1918
Category  Military, armed forces & conflict
Discharge date  17-Apr-1919
Subcategory  First World War
Age on discharge  37
Collections from  England, Great Britain

 

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Excellent find George, thank you.

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National Archives have a card which does not give any medal references.

Reference: WO 372/2/21491
Description:
Medal card of Bartholomew, John H
Corps Regiment No Rank
28th London Regiment 768747 Private
Date: 1914-1920
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description

 

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1208357

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Thank you George!

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