Mark1959 Posted 29 June , 2022 Share Posted 29 June , 2022 (edited) https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Rolleston-198 Seems to be relevant family but he clearly did not die in 1907. Details from family gravestone https://tipperarystudies.ie/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/A. Vol 1 Parish of Knigh reduced.pdf page 9 This https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TuHIDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1451&lpg=PA1451&dq=john+rolleston+wolfe+rockford+nenagh&source=bl&ots=cb2n7w6JKt&sig=ACfU3U2YMVJeSccRLk3GPnJmDIVa4ZJI8w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjDooe_pdP4AhX8S0EAHXQzBvQQ6AF6BAgLEAM#v=onepage&q=john rolleston wolfe rockford nenagh&f=false has him as late 3rd battalion According to newspaper reports given Hon Lt Col 20/2/1909 with 3rd RIR There is a report in the Freeman's Journal on 2/6/1917 that a Col. John Wolfe of Rockford, Nenagh has rejoined the army Seem to have resigned his commission in 1911 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28496/page/3820 and probable re-entry https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30200/supplement/7559 and possible resignation https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30656/supplement/5125 in April 1918. Edited 29 June , 2022 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 29 June , 2022 Excellent finds, Thank you Mark. I have a lot of digging to do in the morning with all your finds, brilliant stuff. So he did serve during the war then! Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 29 June , 2022 Share Posted 29 June , 2022 (edited) Ivor and Mark have done a great job for you. I think you need to see his officer's service papers to see why he relinquished his commission Temp. Maj. (Hon. Lt.-Col., ret., Spec. Res.) J. R. Wolfe relinquishes his temp, commn. 5th Apr. 1918. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30656/supplement/5125 5 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: Got to now try and find that lung condition Pulmonry abscess, 5 months [i.e. starting in/from approx. March 1918] - the rest being fairly natural consequences of that condition - perhaps in those service papers. His widow must have thought she had a claim for a war widow's pension - shame we can't [yet?] see if she got awarded one [the fact that the card is annotated with her remarried name of BARTHOLOMEW suggests there was still a degree of continued interest at the MoP - wish I could find the date of her remarriage - the later the better really I suppose to help reinforce her claim/help reinforce the suggestion of any award - the PIC wasn't annotated 'Rejected' so that is positive I think] - perhaps in those service papers too?? M Edited 29 June , 2022 by Matlock1418 expand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 29 June , 2022 I agree totally Matlock, Ivor and Mark did an excellent job to be sure. I agree with your observations but I know in my heart and soul I will not get to Kew to dig out the service papers. I will do a bit more digging and see what crops up. Thanks again everyone. Kindest regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 29 June , 2022 Share Posted 29 June , 2022 1 minute ago, museumtom said: I know in my heart and soul I will not get to Kew to dig out the service papers. Unfortunately I can't help you with Kew but there are GWF members who seem to visit quite often. Perhaps a publicised 'Wanted' request from you might get someone to kindly pay a visit/look at his papers for you and then report back. ??? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 (edited) Excellent idea Matlock, thank you, I will do it now. Edited 30 June , 2022 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 (edited) Lucinda E F Wolfe married one of these peopleJohn H C Bartholomew 3Q 1920 Nenagh John Henry Croker Bartholomew. Appears to have been sent to an asylum in 1924 after attempting to murder someone. Possibly 768747 28th Londons Edited 30 June , 2022 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 (edited) Thank you Mark, all info is helpful and very much appreciated. Edited 30 June , 2022 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Looks to me that Bartholomew was probably a fraudster and was not a Captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 You reckon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 He has a Pension Card which doesn't tell us a lot directly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Good morning and thank you George. Your card seems to imply that he had been in the army and got a pension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 I think this one says 'Mania' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Oooh George that opens up a big bag of worms, he was a con man or a mad man then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark1959 Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 (edited) I do think he was fraudster possibly due to illness. Probably born 28/6/1880. Served briefly in NZ forces as John Henry in 1914/5 (56 days) as a Private - describes himself as race horse trainer. He is described as a race horse owner in 1924 Irish prison register. The NZ docs indicates he suffered from General Paralysis of the Insane (Syphilis) . Nok is Mrs JJBartholomew that matches the above Marriage Certificate. Looks then subsequently returned to Ireland or UK and enlisted. Place of birth also matches George's card None of it gets us any further, But makes the search a bit racier! Edited 30 June , 2022 by Mark1959 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 What a story! There is enough in there for a novel, thank you kindly Mark, a great find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 13 minutes ago, museumtom said: Your card seems to imply that he had been in the army and got a pension? It does and was sent to Region 13 in 1921-which is Ireland I believe George 9 minutes ago, Mark1959 said: describes himself as race horese trainer. He is described as a race hore owner in 1924 Irish prison register. check Irish newspapers under J H C Batholomew and he has several 'hits' Got his licence at and had been a jockey https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search/irish-newspapers?date=1900-01-01&date_offsetdate=1949-12-31&firstname=j h c&lastname=bartholomew&modifiedfacets=true&exactnames=false&exactkeywords=false George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Good man George, thank you. Its a difficult job keeping up with all this new information, which is a good thing to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 1 hour ago, Mark1959 said: Lucinda E F Wolfe married one of these people appears to have died Feb 2nd 1945 in Milltown, Shinrone(?) George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 (edited) He only enlisted 11 July 1918: Got a SWB (Ancestry): Edited 30 June , 2022 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Thank you George, Shinrone is beside Birr, County Offaly (King's County). Thank you kindly Ivor, it all helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 He got an SWB First name(s) John H. Cause of discharge 392. xvi King's Regulation Sick Last name Bartholomew Whether served overseas Yes Rank Private Badge number 468941 Service number 768747 Badge date of issue 19-Apr-1920 Regiment/unit 28th Ldn Rgt Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920 Enlistment date 11-Jul-1918 Category Military, armed forces & conflict Discharge date 17-Apr-1919 Subcategory First World War Age on discharge 37 Collections from England, Great Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Excellent find George, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 30 June , 2022 Share Posted 30 June , 2022 National Archives have a card which does not give any medal references. Reference: WO 372/2/21491 Description: Medal card of Bartholomew, John H Corps Regiment No Rank 28th London Regiment 768747 Private Date: 1914-1920 Held by: The National Archives, Kew Legal status: Public Record(s) Closure status: Open Document, Open Description https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D1208357 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 June , 2022 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2022 Thank you George! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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