Ken Lees Posted 2 May , 2011 Share Posted 2 May , 2011 Spot on, Paul. That should have the locals, Sabine and Pat, coming up with the answer any moment now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 2 May , 2011 Share Posted 2 May , 2011 I'm standing in front of a memorial. Behind it is a wood that takes its name from a man-made feature that would have been to my left if I'd been here in 1917, but now it has gone and been replaced by something else. Beyond the "feature that isn't there" I can see a farm which is part of the German front line. The British name for that farm is German. Where am I? Memorial: RE Memorial (or possibly the Liverpool Scots) Wood: Railway Wood (as suggested) Manmade Feature: the Ypres / Roulers Railway, now Zuiderring (again as suggested) Front Line Farm: this is where I get stuck - presumably to the north of the Zuiderring. I also hesitate to guess in case I suggest a Flemish name is German! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Lees Posted 3 May , 2011 Share Posted 3 May , 2011 Correct David. I had in mind the Liverpool Scottish memorial, but if you stand in front of one you are standing in front of the other. The farm was known to the British as Oskar Farm, hence the British name for the farm is actually a German name. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul@bolton Posted 3 May , 2011 Share Posted 3 May , 2011 Well, i think we probably deserve an 'oskar' for teamwork. Over to you, David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 3 May , 2011 Share Posted 3 May , 2011 (agreed Paul - thanks!) So, in France through a stone arch down to a wooden floor surounded by the results of shuttering David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul@bolton Posted 4 May , 2011 Share Posted 4 May , 2011 Hi David, You might like to explain what shuttering is. Mainly for the benefit of our non English speaking friends (but also for me as I'm not sure either ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 4 May , 2011 Share Posted 4 May , 2011 Shuttering is a construction method whereby you build temporary containments (shuttering) into which you can then shovel or pour construction material (e.g. mud - or more commonly nowadays concrete) - once dry the shuttering is removed. That said, the Romans used it for their large concrete constructions. (The link in the last sentence is to a fussy non-standard website that seems to require MSIE to view it - but does illustrate the process well.) David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ypres1418 Posted 4 May , 2011 Share Posted 4 May , 2011 Albert museum? but think that is too obvious, and not been for ages so cant remember the shuttering lol x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 4 May , 2011 Share Posted 4 May , 2011 Albert museum? but think that is too obvious, and not been for ages so cant remember the shuttering lol x No, that's not it - although you have had me scurrying to the internet to look it up! Will put it on my itinerary for any future trip - is it entirely in underground tunnels (the place where I was, is not). David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patje70 Posted 4 May , 2011 Share Posted 4 May , 2011 The tunnels in Arras? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce Posted 4 May , 2011 Share Posted 4 May , 2011 No, that's not it - although you have had me scurrying to the internet to look it up! Will put it on my itinerary for any future trip - is it entirely in underground tunnels (the place where I was, is not). David The new-ish curator has worked hard at improving the museum. I was there a month ago for the first time in five years and it has really changed....much for the better. Lots to see....worth four euros (especially if it is raining!) Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 4 May , 2011 Share Posted 4 May , 2011 The tunnels in Arras? Sorry, not in Tunnels David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul@bolton Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 David, Seems that everyone has given up and gone home. Time for a close look at your clues. 'Down to a wooden floor' but not, apparently, underground. Could we be talking about duckboards in the bottom of a preserved trench? And the shuttering might (I only say might ) be something to do with the trench walls - maybe concrete 'sandbags'? Can't think of any stone arches associated with preserved trenches that I've been to in France.... Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 So, in France through a stone archSignificantly pre-war [*]down to a wooden floor The Wooden floor is rather nice - probably not polished (for H&S reasons) but looks so Not duckboards [*]surounded by the results of shuttering Not trenches Not sandbags - much much more architectural David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul@bolton Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 Drat. Coming down out of that wrong tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 The basilica at Notre-Dame de Lorette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 Sorry, not a Basilica - but being indoors you will be warmer! David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 I think you may have given us a concealed clue earlier. Is this structure Roman? Anyway, if no-one gets it tonight, I'm off to France in the morning, so I'll keep an eye out for it ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 No, part medieval, part modern; arguably both parts aggressively so. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithfazzani Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 L'Historial Peronne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfaulder Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 Thank you Keith! Your turn IWM Website The Historial de la Grande Guerre was opened on 1 August 1992 in a new building attached to the medieval Château in Péronne. Images from their website: Historial Website To give it this smooth surface, the shuttering used at the Historial were made of Bakelite-coated plywood for the walls and resinated wood for the columns. The different panels are marked with circular indentations at 70 cm intervals; these holes correspond to the spacers separating the sections of the shuttering. The choice of not hiding these holes reflects a concern for preserving the characteristic signs associated with the use of this material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithfazzani Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 Oh dear, my turn! I shall think about that overnight and post tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 5 May , 2011 Share Posted 5 May , 2011 B&gger — I had a phone call only this morning from a friend who was sitting outside the Historial, telling me I must visit it. Shame he didn't mention the wood floor and the shuttering ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithfazzani Posted 6 May , 2011 Share Posted 6 May , 2011 I am standing by a line of graves on top of a bank. On the other side of the valley is another cemetery. All this was once a model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithfazzani Posted 6 May , 2011 Share Posted 6 May , 2011 Need another clue? It is really very simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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