Barke02 Posted 16 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2008 Well done everyone! Ralph, great work on Westacott, Barkley and Tannenbaum. Anthony, that's a very detailed piece on Richard Usher - there's a full list of the King's Own in post 110. Lionboxer, I'll remember to drop the 'Royal' from the Norfolks list, thanks for pointing that out. Allie, Christine and Dave, great work with Horace Stanley Keeys. Has any one had any luck with the other New Zealanders: Williams of the NZRB (posts 29/30), or Lance Corporal Silcock of 12th (Nelson)? Here is 1030 Silcock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 16 July , 2008 Share Posted 16 July , 2008 There's a whole heap of Williams men (including some rellies of mine - although he isn't one of mine, I don't think!), and I'd never have thought Silcock would have been such a common name. For Silcock, there are the following possibilities, with this first one having the right rank at least. Surname SILCOCK Given Name Claude Alfred Category Nominal Rolls Vol 4 Regimental Number 31542 Rank Corporal Next of Kin Title A sen Next of Kin Surname SILCOCK Next of Kin Relationship Father Next of Kin Address Thorpe Nelson Roll 80 Page 6 Occupation Farmer He was in the 35th Reinforcements B Company and embarked in March of 1918 according to the Cenotaph. Surname SILCOCK Given Name Harold Frederick Stanley Category Nominal Rolls Vol 4 Regimental Number 80387 Rank Private Next of Kin Title S Next of Kin Surname SILCOCK Next of Kin Relationship Father Next of Kin Address Hope Nelson Roll 88 Page 12 Occupation School-teacher He was in the 42nd Reinforcements C Company and embarked in August of 1918. Cenotaph page here. Surname SILCOCK Given Name Thomas William Martin Category Nominal Rolls Vol 4 Regimental Number 80388 Rank Private Next of Kin Title Mrs G H Next of Kin Surname SILCOCK Next of Kin Relationship Wife Next of Kin Address C/- Mrs M Eden Wakefield Nelson Roll 88 Page 12 Occupation Accountant Thomas was in the 42nd Reinforcements C Company, also embarking in August of 1918 according to his cenotaph page. This last one is my pick of the bunch based on the fact that the 12th Nelsons were part of the Canterbury regiment, along with being the correct rank: Surname SILCOCK Given Name Philip Hugh Category Nominal Roll Vol. 2 Regimental Number 11739 Rank Corporal Next of Kin Title Charles Next of Kin Surname SILCOCK Next of Kin Relationship Father Next of Kin Address Brightwater Nelson Roll 30 Page 8 Occupation Tailor He was with the 12th Reinforcements Canterbury Infantry Battalion, C Company and embarked in May of 1916, as stated by the cenotaph here. He eventually made Serjeant, and died in December of 1958 at the age of 73. Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 16 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2008 I'm starting to wonder if some themes are emerging, less to do with a staging camp and more to do with Sevenoaks itself and the VAD hospitals? You would expect some of the men from the Kentish regiments to have a Sevenoaks connection, but for Evan Young (photo post 4, Royal Highlanders of Canada) to be a Sevenoaks man was a suprise. Prehaps this could explain why some regiments are represented only by a single plate. How common was it to choose which regiment you'd like to serve in, rather than automatically entering one of the county regiments? Secondly the VAD hospitals possibly explaining the pressence of men like Cecil James Blinkhorne and Frank William Blackmore. Prehaps where there are multiple possible options trying to identify a man, it may be that having been wounded would help narrow it down? Here is one of the VAD hospitals, Cornwall Hall (plate 1475). A quick search of the internet suggests this building still exists, and would make a great 'then and now' shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJames Posted 16 July , 2008 Share Posted 16 July , 2008 Just in case the photo's match here is a photo of G K Marshall (1162) of the 60th Div Cyclists. He was also a tenor in the Onions concert party from which this photo comes. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 16 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2008 Hi ken, let's have a look. Marshall 1162. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 16 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2008 This seems to be an unusual pattern greatcoat, could this be pre-war? City of London Yeomanry (Roughriders) 1476 name of Bligh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 16 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2008 Here's another one currently in the unknown folder. This chap has a coloured stand collar and unusual horizontal sleeve insignia. The uniform looks foreign, almost Austrian, but his name dosen't sound foreign at all. Smith 1037. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 16 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2008 This group are from the West Kent Yeomanry. Is that 'MG' on their forearm bagdes, and does this make them from the machine gun platoon? The seated chap in the centre appears in another plate (1170) named to Yeoman, but perhaps the photographer meant he was from the Yeomanry? I wonder if the cat means anything, or has just been raided from the studio prop box? 1329 Talbot. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted 16 July , 2008 Share Posted 16 July , 2008 Here are the details on the Buffs that you have. Would it be possible to post the pictures please Stuart Wellesley Weldon 5th Buffs. Arrived in Mesopotamia 9/12/1915. Wounded at Sheik Saad in January 1916. Mentioned in despatches June 1918. Later served in Iraq after the war. Lived in Palmers Green, North London. Ackland No officers called Ackland, just one OR, Walter W Ackland, a New Army man of Feb 1915 who later transferred to the Labour Corps. Franks There were 6 men called Franks but no bandsman so unable to positively identify yet. 2 were killed in 1917. One was wounded in March 1916 and another in October 1916. C Smith There were 31 C Smiths so impossible to identify. The 2/5 Buffs didn’t go overseas so he may not even be in my database Slate There was one Slate, WJ Slate, who had also served in the Royal Fusiliers and Labour Corps. CW Smith There were 5 CW Smiths so another difficult ID Mick PS I just noticed your request on the database thread. I will work further on Weldon. Nudge me if I forget Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 16 July , 2008 Share Posted 16 July , 2008 This is a remarkable thread and fully deserves elevation to the 'Classic Threads' category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 16 July , 2008 Share Posted 16 July , 2008 Quite agree Andrew - seeing the Forum collectively breath life into these images is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted 16 July , 2008 Share Posted 16 July , 2008 Gould we take a peek at these in particular Jon? King's Own Lancaster Regiment Singleton, three officers including Capt. and Lt. 1296 unknown officer (copy photo) 1374 Singleton 1302 Thanks, Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 17 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Hi Mick, here are the lads from The Buffs, starting with Second Lieutenant Weldon 1228, 1313. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 17 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Left: officer Ackland 1493. The apparent damage is only superficial, it's the remains of thin paper envelope the plate was in. Right: C. Smith 2/5th Battalion 1464, 1285. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 17 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Left: Slate 5th Battalion 1466. Middle: C.W. Smith 1286. Right: medic/bandsman? Franks 1258. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 17 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Hi Anthony, here are the three from The King's Own Lancaster Regiment. Left: Singleton 1296. Middle: unknown 1374. Note that this is a copy photo (a photo of a photo). Right: singleton 1302. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elle72 Posted 17 July , 2008 Share Posted 17 July , 2008 My goodness, how young are Smith and Franks . Sending those boys off to war is beyond belief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waddell Posted 17 July , 2008 Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Couldn't agree more with you Elle. Smith in particular looks very young. Quite frightening when you think about it. Barke02- These photo's are wonderful. Regards, Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 17 July , 2008 Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Left: officer Ackland 1493. The apparent damage is only superficial, it's the remains of thin paper envelope the plate was in. Right: C. Smith 2/5th Battalion 1464, 1285. Who is the third one in that picture? The two pictures on the right are not the same lad, unless he changed uniform between snaps. Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 17 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Allie, they could have been taken over a period of time (suggesting he's a local lad?) Have a look at a close up of just the face, in particular the ears and nose. What do you think? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alliekiwi Posted 17 July , 2008 Share Posted 17 July , 2008 I'd say that is a match - I enlarged the second face a bit so the two pics were the same size and then superimposed one on top of the other. Eyes, nose, chin and ear on left seem to fit almost perfectly. Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Clay Posted 17 July , 2008 Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Allie, they could have been taken over a period of time (suggesting he's a local lad?) Have a look at a close up of just the face, in particular the ears and nose. What do you think? Look at the chin and the shape of the face too. Same chap for my money... (Just seen Allie's reply - we're in agreement, then. ) Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisharley9 Posted 17 July , 2008 Share Posted 17 July , 2008 Allie, they could have been taken over a period of time (suggesting he's a local lad?) Have a look at a close up of just the face, in particular the ears and nose. What do you think? Same bloke - I would say they timeframe between the 2 photos is not that great - however the poor lad has that very haunted look about him that comes through being in combat - seen the same when doing some family research Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 17 July , 2008 Share Posted 17 July , 2008 This group are from the West Kent Yeomanry. Is that 'MG' on their forearm bagdes, and does this make them from the machine gun platoon? The seated chap in the centre appears in another plate (1170) named to Yeoman, but perhaps the photographer meant he was from the Yeomanry? I wonder if the cat means anything, or has just been raided from the studio prop box? 1329 Talbot. . I think these men wear the First Class MG skill-at-arms badge. They comprise about 1/3 of the MG section if indeed that is what they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elle72 Posted 17 July , 2008 Share Posted 17 July , 2008 I also think it is the same sitter. The line in his chin, slight upwards curve on the right side of his lip and the upper point of his right ear are identical in both photos. I wonder if he made it through - having the surname Smith would make it difficult to identify him I would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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