Andrew P Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 The Aussie in post 8 (Mansfield) is, I would say, either 4th, 8th or 12th Battalions. They all had a white-over-colour patch; if pushed, I'd suggest 8th, as red seems to come out palest in a black and white print. The 4th Bn was white over green, and the 12th, over blue. Mansfield could also belong to the 16th Bn AIF as they had the same shape of patch and were also white over blue. I had a look on the embarkation roll and the following men with the name Mansfield initially belonged to the 4th, 8th, 12th or 16th Battalions. 5152 - Alexander Mansfield - 12th Bn - Age 25 Horse Driver of Launceston Tasmania - Transferred to 52nd Battalion 1503 - Alex James Mansfield 16th Bn - Age 18 Timber Worker of WA & Monmouthshire England - Enlisted 12/11/14 - Returned to Australia 02/01/1919 3824 - Charles Mansfield 4th Bn - Age 21 - Hairdresser of Mosman NSW - Later transferred to 1st Pioneer Battalion - Enlisted 01/09/15 - RTA 12/5/19 4831 - George Robert Mansfield 8th Bn - Age 30 Tailor of South Ballarat - Later transferred to Australian Corps School - Enlisted 7/7/15 - RTA 27/11/19 2054 - Harold Ellis Mansfield 12th Bn - Age 18 Stoker of Hobart Tasmania - Enlisted 23/1/15 - RTA 09/03/19 50 - Harry Charles Mansfield 12th Bn - Age 19 Pattern Maker of Deveonport Tasmania - transferred the 3rd Machine Gun Company & killed 6/5/17 6043 - Herbert Charles Mansfield 4th Bn - Age 24 - Labourer of Mudgee NSW - Enlisted 23/01/16 - RTA 20/04/1919 3381 - James Mansfield 4th Bn - Age 37 Labourer of Sydney NSW - Enlisted 03/09/15 - RTA 13/12/15 4505 - Thomas Mansfield 12th Bn - Age 24 Labourer of Zeehan Tasmania - Enlisted 13/10/15 - RTA 1/12/18 Some of these may be able to be ruled out as they would have been serving with other units when they were in England, such as Alexander, Charles & Harry, while James was sent home in 1915 with Rheumatism, but it still leaves a handful of names. Hope it helps though. Cheers Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Going back to my last post, it would seem that the Royal Engineer officer in question could be 2/Lt Bernard Vivian Marwood the only RE officer of that name with a MIC and going off his single 'pip' on his rank cuff this is probably him. He was later promoted Lieut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Going to 1113 and Malkin 20th Hussars. Only two Malkins are to be found serving with the cavalry who have MIC's and one of them with a Yeomanry unit. Therefore my suggestion is that this is 10714 Pte William J. Malkin, who was regular cavalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 13 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Fantastic work everyone! It's great to reduce the number in the 'unknown' folder. I'll post some more soon. Matthew, a stunning piece of work, thankyou! I've got to drive to Sevenoaks on Monday to look at the exhibition space, so can now also see where some of these men lived! This also means that there is every chance that relatives of these men may visit the exhibition! Julian, here are the names for The King's Liverpool and MGC. The King's Liverpool Regiment Capt. Tweedale 5th or 7th Batt. 1507 Officer Balmforth 1434 Blackburn 6th(T) Rifle Batt. 1426 Whitelaw 6th(T) Rifle Batt. 1484 Mason 6th(T) Rifle Batt. 1450 A.W. Smith 6th(T) Rifle Batt. 1284 group photo 5th? Batt. named to Smith 1280 Machine Gun Corps Officer Stacey (copy photo) 1477 Newport 1137 This is the group photo 1280, is this 5th battalion? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 13 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Here's are the close-ups of 1280. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 13 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Here are some more from the 'unknown' folder. Left: 1430 Towlson. Right: 1299 Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linden Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 QUOTE (Phil_B @ Jul 12 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Any idea what the bars are, alongside the capbadge? And I`m surprised to see the RNAS man wearing both RAF/RFC & RN wings! Can anyone ask Henry Allingham ? Would he be able to make out the photos ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 13 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Some more names. Royal Air Force Marsh 1042 (photo already posted) RAF/RNAS Windsor 1183(photo already posted) Royal Naval Air Service Cooper 1071 (leading aircraftsman?) 1025 (signaller?) Bourne 1025 (petty officer? three long service stripes) Windsool 1479 copy photo (a photo of a photo) of Raymond Collishaw beside 'Black Cat'. Royal Flying Corps Major Barratt 1438 (previously Royal Artillery?) Lt. Tudhope 1172 Trezise 1399 (observer wings) Taylor 1323 (groundcrew?) Wisdom 1187, 1188 (groundcrew?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 13 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Some more unidentified. Here is one showing the same chap as plate 1430. Notice the armband. 1429 Towlson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auimfo Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Mansfield could also belong to the 16th Bn AIF as they had the same shape of patch and were also white over blue. I had a look on the embarkation roll and the following men with the name Mansfield initially belonged to the 4th, 8th, 12th or 16th Battalions. 5152 - Alexander Mansfield - 12th Bn - Age 25 Horse Driver of Launceston Tasmania - Transferred to 52nd Battalion 1503 - Alex James Mansfield 16th Bn - Age 18 Timber Worker of WA & Monmouthshire England - Enlisted 12/11/14 - Returned to Australia 02/01/1919 3824 - Charles Mansfield 4th Bn - Age 21 - Hairdresser of Mosman NSW - Later transferred to 1st Pioneer Battalion - Enlisted 01/09/15 - RTA 12/5/19 4831 - George Robert Mansfield 8th Bn - Age 30 Tailor of South Ballarat - Later transferred to Australian Corps School - Enlisted 7/7/15 - RTA 27/11/19 2054 - Harold Ellis Mansfield 12th Bn - Age 18 Stoker of Hobart Tasmania - Enlisted 23/1/15 - RTA 09/03/19 50 - Harry Charles Mansfield 12th Bn - Age 19 Pattern Maker of Deveonport Tasmania - transferred the 3rd Machine Gun Company & killed 6/5/17 6043 - Herbert Charles Mansfield 4th Bn - Age 24 - Labourer of Mudgee NSW - Enlisted 23/01/16 - RTA 20/04/1919 3381 - James Mansfield 4th Bn - Age 37 Labourer of Sydney NSW - Enlisted 03/09/15 - RTA 13/12/15 4505 - Thomas Mansfield 12th Bn - Age 24 Labourer of Zeehan Tasmania - Enlisted 13/10/15 - RTA 1/12/18 Some of these may be able to be ruled out as they would have been serving with other units when they were in England, such as Alexander, Charles & Harry, while James was sent home in 1915 with Rheumatism, but it still leaves a handful of names. Hope it helps though. Cheers Andrew The Australian in Post #8 is almost certainly 5054 Private Harold Ellis Mansfield, 12th Battalion. He was wounded in 1916 and spent time at Chepstead Kent (wound stripe on sleeve) and attended signal school in Belgium during 1917 (hence the signaller patch on his sleeve). Perhaps this was taken on a susequent return to England and Kent. i.e. after the war. Cheers, Tim L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 13 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Essex Yeomanry 2nd.Lt. Vatali 1496, 1505, 1509 L.Cpl. Marshall 1062 L.Cpl. Cormach 1023 L.Cpl. Mase 1451 Whitby 1049 Wynn 1005 Essex Regiment Sgt.Smart 1051 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susanhemmings Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 What a find - Keith, you have done these men justice and well done to all who have contributed. This is stunning. Thank you for sharing Susan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 I'd say 1430 is Army Service Corps. 1429 (the chap with the 'tache) s - I think - the Kent Volunteer Fencibles. The badge is (I reckon) in Kipling & King, Vol 1, 1629 (page 389), and the uniform doesn't look like a regular army unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 The bars on the RAF cap are the early rank bars worn in addition to the cuff ranking. They were abolished around Oct. 1918. I think 1191 Smith is 7th Middlesex. Any chance of posting the Royal Fusiliers names? Thanks, W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 What rank is the flyer in post #28 then? What is the item on his right cuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 I'm afraid that's the limit of my knowledge [?] on the subject. The object on his cuff appears to be a metal eagle, but what rank that indicates I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Post 53 is lovely. No idea what rank he is, but I reckon Grumpy would tell us. I think he is a Battery Sergeant Major Instructor of Gunnery, but RA is abit off my beat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Post 79 closeup features pre-1916 Quartermaster sergeant's badge .... changed during 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 What a fabulous find! I notice that there are some German surnames in the Middlesex list. These soldiers may have been with the 30th or 31st Battalions that contained a large number of men whose fathers were German, Austrian etc. For example it is possible that Borgest 1182 was Hans Borgeest G84432 (probably 31st battalion). Myrtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 1280 if the badge is blackened brass it is the 5th Batt The Kings (Liverpool Regt) if its all white metal its the 7th Batt, but the shoulder title looks like the 5th. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 13 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Hi Wainfleet, here are the Royal Fusilers names. Royal Fusiliers officer Masters 1114 Coomber group (photo with parents?) 1070 Wells (family group with mother and two sisters?) 1245 Marsh 1043 Mathews 1139, 1140 (photo already posted) Left:this is the plate for 1114 Masters. Right:1043 Marsh, and detail of the cuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Interesting: the chap in the middle photo above (the o.r.) is wearin collar dogs - unusual for a Great War-period man. I assume he's a Lewis Gunner (the L in a wreath)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 13 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2008 I've just had a look at the National Portrait Gallery website and think that 1438 Barratt RFC maybe the later Sir Arthur Sheridan Barratt, Air Marshall Royal air force. What do you think? I can't post the photo from their site as it costs money! But just google 'Sir-Arthur-Sheridan-Barratt' and it's the first result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Jonathan Thanks for posting the RF names. And thanks too for posting all these pictures, lost for so long. Regards, W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Here's the royal Aero Club Aviators' Certificate info for Arthur Sheridan Barratt looks like the same chap to me, but he looks younger in uniform! NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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