ALDAWSON77 Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 QUOTE (Phil_B @ Jul 12 2008, 01:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Are we sure he is RNAS? He may have a badge on his right cuff but weren`t naval wings worn on left cuff? Phil, You've started something now. I've just had a closer look at the capbadge and it appears to be in reverse i.e. bird looking to it's right. All other photo's I've seen have it facing to it's left. However if this photo is inversed why is the breast badge on the left pocket as it should be???? It my well not be RNAS. I'm starting to get a little dizzy with this one. Jonathon, Could we have a closer look at the breast badge please as I think it may be RFC and not RAF. Of course if it were it would only serve to confuse matters even more. Unless perhaps he is the Flying Boat Pilot and indeed RFC or RAF attached in some way to RNAS. Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Here's a close-up of the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Here are some more I've struggled with. Royal Artillery? 1065 name is Martin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 . Unless perhaps he is the Flying Boat Pilot and indeed RFC or RAF attached in some way to RNAS. By definition you cannot have an RAF bloke attached to the RNAS as the RAF subsumed the RNAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Post 53 is lovely. No idea what rank he is, but I reckon Grumpy would tell us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 BLACKMORE (1424) FRANK WILLIAM 1/1 Bucks Bn Military Cross Compton Cottage Broadbridge Heath Horshaw Sussex. MIC. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 LONDON GAZETTE no 31043 d/d 29-11-1918 2LT FRANK WILLIAM BLACKMORE BUCKS BATT OX AND BUCKS L I (ITALY) For conspicuous gallantry and devotion to duty during a raid. He led his platoon with courage and determination although wounded early in the attack. Having had his wound bandaged, he rejoined his platoon and resumed command, successfully clearing the whole of the area allotted to him. Ralph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALDAWSON77 Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 By definition you cannot have an RAF bloke attached to the RNAS as the RAF subsumed the RNAS You are correct of course, I should have said RAF attached to the RN. Jonathon, A shot in the dark but your KOYLI man wouldn't happen to be Joseph MacRae would it? Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Hi Ralph, excellent work on Blackmore. There were three VAD hospitals/convalescent halls around Sevenoaks: St.Johns Hall, Cornwall Hall and Coombe Bank (now a school). Prehaps tht explains Blackmore's presence in the area. Al, the KOYLI man is Lieutenant Thompson. Here are some more that are currently lised under unknowns. Top: 1291, 1481 the name is Young. Bottom: 1469 the name is Snow. Could these two be RASC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Another wearing a kilt. I'm not very good at identifying Scottish regiments. 1257 the name is French. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Here's some more name lists: Queen's Own Dorsetshire Yeomanry 2nd.Lt.Haywood 1142 Cpl. Marsh 1061 Smith 1057 Cowdry 1033 Pollen 1032 Winmill 1014, 1010 Withey 1012 C. Smith 1006 Wiltshire 1001 Turner 1175 Woodcock 1217 Taylor 1319 Baldoch 1432 Trethowan 1395, 1397 Trott 1432 group photo (poor quality) 1498 Volunteer Aid Detatchments Limbrick 1024 Wilkins 1021 Thompson 1020 Collin 1072 Smith 1352 White 1206, 1292 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Left:1231 2nd.Lt. Wilson. Any ideas on this one? Right:1113 Malkin. This appears to be an embroidered cap badge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Left:1237 The name is possibly Kodura? Is this Royal Navy? Right:1195 2nd.Lt. Marwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 I'd like to put this one in the Middlesex Regiment, but would like your opinions. Did many regiments have 10 battalions? 1247 the name is Furgeson. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barke02 Posted 12 July , 2008 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2008 The same applies with this one. My inexperienced eyes would like to see 'LIVERPOOL', what do you think? 1191 Smith. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
high wood Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 1291 and 1481 are London Scottish 1257 is Seaforth Highlanders 1113 Makin is 20th Hussars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Broomfield Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 1291/1481 London Scottish. 1257 Seaforth Highlanders 1231 Hampshire officer possibly. The RN type may well be Royal Naval Division - he seems to have khaki uniform, with RN and army rank badges. The 10th battalion chap may well be Middlesex: they had a 10th Territorial (the T in the badge), so T/10/Middlesex is very possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Hi, These photos are absolutely fantastic! I'm going to throw my lot in with a suggestion that the man in post 53 is a Staff Sergeant Instructor of Gunnery, but why he is wearing an officer's pattern SD jacket and Sam Browne I cannot say. 2nd Lieut Wilson is as suggested, Hampshires. Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 I wonder if there is a computer programme that will convert oblique views to something more easily viewed? Great thread by the way. Just the sort of detective work that the Forum is so good at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianB Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 I'd like to add my thanks to what a great service you have provided in saving these wonderful pictures and I'm sure they will be of immense benefit to students of the Great War and its soldiers. I'd be happy to try my modest knowledge of the MGC and the King's Liverpool on photographs you have of men in these units - particularly if named. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbluesboy Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 When the Royal Naval Division came under the command of the Army in France in 1916 they had to wear Naval and Army badges of rank.So the photo is dead right for RND circa 1916 and 1917.Naval Ranl Lieutenant = Army Captain.Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALDAWSON77 Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Jonathon, Can I point you in the direction of this thread ref. your Naval /RAF airman Windsor. I posted on the SHIPS AND NAVIES Section. It may be worth your while posting the Naval based photo's in this section. http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...mp;#entry959244 Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westkent78 Posted 12 July , 2008 Share Posted 12 July , 2008 Quite a find there. Look forward to seeing the finished exhibit/book/cd etc. Here's a few id's for to help you. Queen's Own Royal West Kents Lt.Col. Whatney 1494, 1500 Charles Norman Whatney of Ivy Hatch Court (nr Sevenoaks). He commanded 1/4th all through the war. Capt. Waydelin 1455 Frank William Waydelin MC. Was Adjutant of 10th Bn. 2nd.Lt. Waite 1116, 1153 Charles Elvy Waite MC later Lt. Col. in the West Yorkshires, and appears to have moved to Harpenden Estate, Kapar, Selangor, Federated Malay States post war. Went overseas with 3/4th on June 1st 1917. 2nd.Lt Thompson 1119, 1120, 1124 Probably Edgar Victor Thompson of 6 Marine Parade, Folkestone. 2nd.Lt. Westacott 1232, 1233 William Alan Westacott of Turvins, Dunton Green, Sevenoaks. Also served in the RAF. 2nd.Lt. Rainer 1510 ? officer Kennedy 1443 ? Sgt. Whyntie 1405 G/2143 Sjt. Cyril John Whyntie, commissioned into the East Surreys and made Captain. Living at either 11b or 116 High St., Sevenoaks. Sgt. Wilson 1244 ? Cpl. Ryealey 1406 ? Cpl. Martin 1265 Hard to determine as there are two Martins who served with 1/4th but neither appear to have made Cpl. There is a 1253 Cpl. Jack Martin of 1/5th who might fit the bill. L.Cpl. Whyntie 1167 (Same as Sgt Whyntie?) L.Cpl. H.A. Smith 1297 Given he's most likely a territorial with 1/4th I'd go for 1633 Henry A. Smith (later renumbered to 200342 and entitled to BWM and IGS with Afghanistan 1919). Signaller H. Martin (Military Medal) copy photograph 1266 ? Bugler Woolven 1207 23305 Benjamin Woolven, later GS/61442 Royal Fusiliers. Yorkeston 1169 Most likely 1906 pte. Leslie N. Yorkston who served with 1/4th (later number is 200507 entitled to BWM and IGS with Afghanistan 1919). Turner 1174 ? Wheeler 1208 ? Malcolm 1263 ? A.B. Wilden 1314 240912 Cpl. Aubrey B. Wilder (later number L/13055) C. Wills 1315 ? Tingley 1344 Possibly Pte. William Tingley of 16 Stratford St., Tunbridge Wells. Served with 2/4th and transfered to Essex Regt. (There are a couple of other candidates but he's the front-runner). I'd hazard a guess that the unidentified men are all locals and most will have served with either 1/4, 2/4 or 3/4. Best regards, Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavoT Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 What a fantastic find. Can't wait for further installments and what great pictures. Cheers, David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 13 July , 2008 Share Posted 13 July , 2008 Officer on the right in 1195 appears to be Royal Engineers and probably Territorial as there seems to be no scroll below the grenade on his collar badge. The two lads wearing the Royal Arms cap badges in 1469, I would suspect are and look like Labour Corps, as opposed to members of the Volunteer Force which wore the same badge, but had specially woven titles in their shoulder straps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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