MBrockway Posted 29 March , 2023 Share Posted 29 March , 2023 I echo that. Although the Mods were publicly silent on our concerns, I was pretty sure much work was going on behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Atkins Posted 29 March , 2023 Share Posted 29 March , 2023 Yes, me too - a good, workable and fair response to a difficult issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 30 March , 2023 Share Posted 30 March , 2023 On 29/03/2023 at 06:49, GWF TEAM said: It has now been decided to allow the thread to be re-opened but in order to ensure that we try our best to comply with copyright restrictions all new posts should clearly list the appropriate image attribution in line with forum rules. These already clarify that members should acknowledge sources when quoting or using material sources otherwise these items may be removed without notice. Members should also ensure that any images being posted comply with fair dealing under copyright law. We would also ask that as far as is practical members should ensure that all images already posted are correctly attributed to reduce the risk of future issues. Thanks again to the Administrators for reopening this thread. I hope to post some more lists in due course, I will ensure that each one is attributed with a source. I will also go back over my posts and add an attribution to them, though that may take a while. As for "fair dealing under copyright law" my thoughts are this. The majority of lists are to be found on FindMyPast under WO363 & WO364, a total of 4,237,548 records. About 5,000 lists from FMP have been posted, if we work on a list having 20 names then that is 100,000 records which equates to around 2.5%. The ICRC lists that have come to light amount to around 2,100. I will not be posting these but intend to rename them with the list number (usually HB or X) and list the "R" reference that it links to on the free ICRC site. These details will then be added to the index of lists that has been created. Hope that's all ok with those looking after the site. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 30 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 March , 2023 (edited) So the Mods statement on thread closure as to being deemed unnecessary has proved erroneous then. This is the wording I took exception to, and still do! These lists are extremely useful! I agree wholeheartedly with Dink999 post as to 2.5% and fair dealing. Some of these lists have not even been indexed supposedly by FMP and none by Ancestry. So the question that still needs to be asked is what are the Mods going to do about the very numerous threads/posts using IWM, Ancestry or FMP sources and no credit given whatsoever. What is good for one thread is good for another thread surely. I thank the Mods for re-opening this thread, however, I do feel that this has been managed badly. What with no mention of the nature of this complaint and the re-opening of the thread leads me to believe that possibly it could be from a member? Andy Edited 30 March , 2023 by stiletto_33853 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 16 April , 2023 Share Posted 16 April , 2023 Here are a few more lists not on the March index. The images are courtesy of Find My Past HB 642 HB 660 HB 1879 HB 2914 HB 2987 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 28 April , 2023 Share Posted 28 April , 2023 Four more not on the March Index. HA 23381 HA 31380 HB 8848 P 109231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 29 April , 2023 Share Posted 29 April , 2023 Brian, please mention where the images came from so as not to jeopardise this thread now that it's back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 29 April , 2023 Share Posted 29 April , 2023 (edited) Diane In the past I always used to mention WO 363 or WO 364 and show the Ancestry Filmstrip number. I thought we had established that since the vast majority of these lists came from WO 363 or WO 364 it was no longer necessary to quote these references and there was only a need to acknowledge other lists e.g the ones in the SWB Rolls initially found by SteveE and following his lead myself, (still TNA) or the Newfoundland Lists which were not in TNA. However, in order not to rock the boat, HA 23381 TNA WO 363 Emile Mahy (Ancestry Filmstrip Mah 15452) Another HA 31380 TNA WO 363 George Thomas Wilkinson (Wil 384289) different to yesterday TNA WO 363 Nicholas Mahey (Mah 15613) HB 8848 TNA WO 363 William Smith TNA WO 363 (Smi 571440) P 109231 TNA WO 363 William Smith TNA WO 363 (Smi 570859) I will revert to my old system for any other lists I find. Brian Edited 29 April , 2023 by brianmorris547 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 29 April , 2023 Share Posted 29 April , 2023 Brian, I think it's only necessary to state whether they are from Ancestry or FMP really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 29 April , 2023 Share Posted 29 April , 2023 7 hours ago, Bardess said: Brian, I think it's only necessary to state whether they are from Ancestry or FMP really Ok wilco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 30 April , 2023 Share Posted 30 April , 2023 Here are a few more HA lists, images courtesy of Find My Past HA15680 HA15687 HA 15712 different from id 491 on page 28 2 different HA 15714 lists HA 15724 HA 15729 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 1 May , 2023 Share Posted 1 May , 2023 HW 2772 Courtesy FMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 3 May , 2023 Share Posted 3 May , 2023 E 5083 FMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 3 May , 2023 Share Posted 3 May , 2023 On p 63 list HD 1028 was posted. I found a partial list with the same names but the service numbers are clearer. Also HA 17284 not on the current index. FMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 3 May , 2023 Share Posted 3 May , 2023 A few more courtesy of Find My Past HA15734 2 versions of HA 15737 each with different damage but together show all the information HA 15738 HA 15742 HA 15746 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John(txic) Posted 6 May , 2023 Share Posted 6 May , 2023 When searching for a particular soldier, I came across this document stored by the National Library of Scotland. I never knew such Lists were a formal publication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 6 May , 2023 Share Posted 6 May , 2023 1 hour ago, John(txic) said: When searching for a particular soldier, I came across this document stored by the National Library of Scotland. I never knew such Lists were a formal publication. Just to add to John's post The First World War Weekly Casualty Lists from 1917-1919 published in four volumes by His Majesty's Stationery Office. These lists contain the names of British service personnel who were reported as wounded, missing, taken prisoner of war, or killed in action. From September 1914, several national newspapers published the Daily War Office Casualty Lists. This ended in August 1917, due to paper shortage and also the effect on public morale The documents can be accessed on the following link Link to document Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 10 May , 2023 Share Posted 10 May , 2023 HB 8570 Not on the current index. FMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 12 May , 2023 Share Posted 12 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA15749 HA 15753 2 different HA 15784 lists HA 15787 HA 15789 This list is HA 15790 thanks to the records of 25340 Pte Croughton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 16 May , 2023 Share Posted 16 May , 2023 5 lists courtesy of Find My Past H15791 HA 15794 2 HA 15798 lists HA 15799 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 17 May , 2023 Share Posted 17 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past 2 images of the same HA 15805 List, one of which shows the full details of a Government contractor. HA 15812 HA 15813 HA 15822 HA 15824 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 17 May , 2023 Share Posted 17 May , 2023 Having spent the last couple of days trolling backwards through this thread and reaching only page 75, I’m wondering if anyone has any better ideas for the search. As some of you who have previously helped me will know, I have been researching my grandfather (Andrew Clark #10260) 1st and 8th Seaforth for some years. I honestly think I already have most of the information available regarding him but it seems that snippets come up from time to time which suggest a new avenue. I have local newspaper articles stating that he was wounded three times. The first was December 1914 which must have been at Festubert and the third I know was July 31st 1917 at Ypres. I guess what I am wondering is, whether anyone knows if there are in fact any lists of 1 st or 8th Seaforth wounded in this thread. The first wounding would likely have involved the British 20th or 19th F. A. or the Meerut Division FA. The last time would have been the 15th Scottish Division F.A. Does anyone know if any of these medical records exist? Finally able to visit the Somme in a couple of weeks and have been doing some homework! Thanks, Hazel Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 18 May , 2023 Share Posted 18 May , 2023 Hazel I assume that you have checked all the Newfoundland lists that Dink posted recently. The names on those do not come up on a FMP search. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 18 May , 2023 Share Posted 18 May , 2023 Thanks Brian, I am not sure exactly which records I have checked as I am systematically scanning back through all of the lists on this thread and haven’t paid much attention to which hospital etc. lists I’m checking. I have noticed however, that so far there are few records for any Seaforth or Gordon’s men. It made me wonder if Scottish records were possibly destroyed .Since I have service records and personal information regarding my 1st Gordon’s uncle I pretty well know everything out there, but my grandfather has required more sleuthing (with which you helped enormously) since he had no contact with the family after about 1925 when he and my grandmother parted company. Everything about him was destroyed by my grandmothers family. I know that he was in a hospital in Orpington in 1917 after 3rd Ypres and it is possible that it was the Canadian Hospital since there don’t seem to have been any others there. Those records may be available if one knew where they went. Hazel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 18 May , 2023 Share Posted 18 May , 2023 Hazel, If you have not already done so, it is worth downloading the index of these lists that has been compiled. See, Casualty Lists an Index From the dates you have mentioned the December 1914 one will have just a reference number in the range 4500 to 8000. A wounding in late July 1917 would mean he could be on a list with an HA prefix in the range HA12300-HA13000 If he was later admitted to a UK hospital he would be on an HB list, possibly HB7260 onwards. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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