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Thank you, Dink999. Another one for me.   P/266 Pte. Haward, H.W. 8/Rif. Brig.  I have the Victory medal to P-266 PTE. H.W. HOWARD. RIF. BRIG.  The Casualty List has it wrong as I have checked the MIC and he is definitely Herbert W. Howard and not Haward.

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19 hours ago, Jim Strawbridge said:

Thank you, Dink999. Another one for me.   P/266 Pte. Haward, H.W. 8/Rif. Brig.  I have the Victory medal to P-266 PTE. H.W. HOWARD. RIF. BRIG.  The Casualty List has it wrong as I have checked the MIC and he is definitely Herbert W. Howard and not Haward.

Jim,

Always good to hear that you've picked up some details about a man from your collection. It's not unexpected see errors in the lists either.

Some more Nov. 1917 lists. Images courtesy of Find My Past.

HA 16579

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HA 16582

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HA 16591

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HA 16598

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HA 16607

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HA 16610

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HA 16616

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HA 16619

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2 different HA 16624 lists

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HA 16631

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HA 16633

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HA 16612 sheet 2

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HA 16690

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HA 16708

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HA 16852 dated 26 Nov. 1917. This list no. has been identified through the service records of 3342 Pte. M Reardon of the Newfoundlander's. His record contains 2 other lists that he appears on(posted previously) but not this one.

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Supplement to HA 16951 different from id 2663 on page 49

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Amendment to HA 17010

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A small part of HA 17140

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HA 16763

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HA 17260

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C/399

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C/410 page 49

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M 5946cont. page 2, deaths on board H.S. Asturias, Goorkha, Loyalty & Glengorm Castle May/July 1917

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E 18585

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Some more Dec. 1917 lists courtesy of Find My past

HA 17343

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HA 17497

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 HA 17529

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HA 17532

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HA 17862

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Some more HA lists from Dec-17 to Jan-18

Images courtesy of Find My Past

HA 17874

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HA 17958

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HA 18029

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HA 18043

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HA 18044

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HA 18064

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13056

February 1915

Not on my index. EDIT Courtesy FMP.

Brian

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I am looking for the casualty list for Private Thomas Long No 9079 Royal Irish Rifles. Can anyone help please? I couldn’t find anything for him in FMP or Ancestry. The only thing I have is his medal card from the NA.

Thanks

Steve

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Re 113056 above.

I forgot to write courtesy FMP. For some reason I can not edit the post. EDIT I tried again and it worked. 

Brian

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3 hours ago, Stevejm said:

I am looking for the casualty list for Private Thomas Long No 9079 Royal Irish Rifles. Can anyone help please? I couldn’t find anything for him in FMP or Ancestry. The only thing I have is his medal card from the NA.

Thanks

Steve

Steve

Searching FMP with his number would usually show it if he was named on a list. There are some Newfoundland Lists on the thread that have not been indexed by FMP.

The Medal Rolls show that he served in 1 RIR and 2 RIR. The War Diaries are available on Ancestry. 

1 RIR WO 95/1730/4 - Part of 25 Infantry Brigade of 8 Div.

2 RIR WO 95/1415/1 part of 7 IB of 3 Div and from November 1915 WO 95/2247/1 part of 74 IB of 25 Div.

Brian

 

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41 minutes ago, brianmorris547 said:

Steve

Searching FMP with his number would usually show it if he was named on a list. There are some Newfoundland Lists on the thread that have not been indexed by FMP.

The Medal Rolls show that he served in 1 RIR and 2 RIR. The War Diaries are available on Ancestry. 

1 RIR WO 95/1730/4 - Part of 25 Infantry Brigade of 8 Div.

2 RIR WO 95/1415/1 part of 7 IB of 3 Div and from November 1915 WO 95/2247/1 part of 74 IB of 25 Div.

Brian

 

Brian,

Thanks but wasn’t 1 RIR also part of 82 Brigade which was part of 27th Division?27DivisionOB1.png.75ecd6b193732ba725752488e5ef1c1f.png

Actually this is the reason for my interest because I found that a Private Long convalesced at Berry Hall In Norfolk at around the same time as my GF and I am just having a look at his history for that reason. I checked the medal cards for all Longs who served with RIR in 1915 and Thomas was the only one who met the criteria BerryHallNews1.jpeg.3a8c784bd622e97036828b7b7af16592.jpeg

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1 hour ago, Stevejm said:

Brian,

Thanks but wasn’t 1 RIR also part of 82 Brigade which was part of 27th Division?27DivisionOB1.png.75ecd6b193732ba725752488e5ef1c1f.png

Actually this is the reason for my interest because I found that a Private Long convalesced at Berry Hall In Norfolk at around the same time as my GF and I am just having a look at his history for that reason. I checked the medal cards for all Longs who served with RIR in 1915 and Thomas was the only one who met the criteria BerryHallNews1.jpeg.3a8c784bd622e97036828b7b7af16592.jpeg

Correction. That listing for 27 division is in error. I believe it should read Royal Irish Regiment. Sorry! Yet another wrong research path!!

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On 11/07/2023 at 15:39, Stevejm said:

Correction. That listing for 27 division is in error. I believe it should read Royal Irish Regiment. Sorry! Yet another wrong research path!!

Incidentally the erroneous OB for 27 division that I quoted was taken from the book detailing the activities of PPCLI as shown below which just proves that you have to check your facts and you can’t believe everything that you read even if it was published 100 years ago!IMG_4119.png.e56b3274a0b28850c36ca87899afe2ec.png

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Just as an aside, Hamilton Gault, the founder of the PPCLI, is buried in the grounds of Hatch Court, near Hatch Beachamp, Somerset. He is commemorated in the nearby St John the Baptist Church and an officer from the regiment come# annually to place a wreath on his memorial. Incidentally, the churchyard is also the resting place of John Chard VC. 
 

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This list is HA 33322.

AF B 103 of John William Ashworth, who was discharged from 72 GH on 18/12/1918.

He was from Heywood and before the Labour Corps was 2/5 Lancs Fusiliers.  

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On 26/07/2023 at 21:19, brianmorris547 said:

AF B 103 of John William Ashworth, who was discharged from 72 GH on 18/12/1918.

He was from Heywood and before the Labour Corps was 2/5 Lancs Fusiliers.  

This must be the Ashworth whom my GF mentions as having stepped forward as a man with prior experience when the 5th Reserve Lancashire Fusiliers were training in Bury in November 1914, at the same time as another man with previous NCO experience, CSM Joe Howard (at the time both men were corporals, but were promoted to Sergeants in view of their prior experience). It is clear that my GF had a lot of time for both of them from his knowledge of them later.

In his diary entry for November 1914 he mentions specifically that Ashworth later became CSM of “B” Company, and he mentions him again in his diary entry for 24 June 1916 when we are told that CSM Ashworth brought the news that CSM Howard had been wounded by an anti-aircraft shell when the battalion was billeted in Dainville.

My GF mentions meeting him once more, on 29 June 1918, at which time my GF was recovering from trench fever at No 74 Hospital in Trouville, and had been assigned the task of supervising some German prisoners digging defensive trenches at the hospital. He says:

Met Sgt. Ashworth 2/5th Lan Fus – he came up in charge of some guards over the Boche Working Party.

This is consistent with his being attached to the Labour Corps 71 P/W Co (71 POW Company). 

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2 C404 lists

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C453 different from ID 4797 but also has the reference number 18985

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C455

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C468

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C485

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C496

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C/501 with the number 27166

 

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C/504 & WO 27567, WO 24886

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C/509 & 28483

 

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C/511

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C/516 different from id 368

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C/517

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Some HB (UK admission) lists courtesy of Find My Past

HB 762

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HB 1897

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HB 4065

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HB 5660

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HB 5886

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The service record of 24737 Pte. Barraclough tells us that this is list HB 7405image.jpeg.ddc858459c17b23aef22a0a3134fba7d.jpeg

 

 

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HA 17870

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HA 18080

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HA 18084

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2 different HA 18093 lists

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HA 18096

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C 1401 and H 369

There is a continuation sheet 5 for C 1401 on the system.

Courtesy FMP.

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HB 5886

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HB 8254 different from id 6303 on page 79

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HB 8631

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HB 8670

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HB 9514

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HB 10304

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HB 10756

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HB 10871

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As I work my way through all of the casualty lists on this thread, I have noticed a few things.  One concerns lists of amendments.  Here is an example of one: 

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(This originally appeared on page 71 of this thread, posted by dink999 and courtesy of FMP)

We have over 250 of this type of list of amendments on this thread and they all appear to date from 1915, mostly between March and July of that year.  The intent appears to correct mistakes which were made in compiling and sending on the earlier casualty lists.

What has particularly struck me is how often the amendments appear to be wrong.  I have not sought to do a comprehensive study of this - my interest has only really been in the RFA and RHA men - and have not kept records of where researching the men on these lists suggest that the amendments are wrong, but I would give a rough estimate that about a quarter appear to be incorrect.

For example, if we look at two of the RFA men near the bottom of the page above, Gnr Frederick Shailes and Dvr Adam McFarlane, we can see that the list amends Shailes's name to Sharles and McFarlane's service number from 84215 to 84815:

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Both of these appear to be wrong: Shailes's MIC and Medal Rolls both have him as Shailes, and  McFarlane's service record, MIC and Medal Rolls all have his service number as 84215.  (I can't find a service record for Shailes).

In addition, the third man in the snippet above, S/S Albert Jones, did appear to have been promoted to Cpl S/S at some point between April 1915 and his evacuation to hospital, though that information does not appear to have been available to whoever compiled the amendments:

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While we do have examples of amendments for other periods of the war outside of these few months in 1915, they are much fewer and further between, suggesting perhaps that a much more stringent requirement may have been imposed regarding the accuracy of any amendments being issued, and perhaps also that amendments only be issued for the more significant factual errors.

David.

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Two more 1918 lists not on the current index.

Courtesy FMP.

HA 18310 and HA 27384,

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