dink999 Posted 18 May , 2023 Share Posted 18 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 15832 HA 15835 HA 15838 HA 15844 2 different HA 15846 lists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 18 May , 2023 Share Posted 18 May , 2023 Thanks so much Dave. I will do that. It is quite likely that I know as much as I ever will, but every now and then something pops up that gets me going. None of the other relatives I have researched have been so difficult and in fact, according to family documents and newspaper reports I have found, he wasn’t very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 18 May , 2023 Share Posted 18 May , 2023 (edited) Hazel On 17/11/2021 Dave (Dink 999) started to post some casualty lists that were found in the service records of Newfoundland soldiers. They start on p 41. They have not been indexed by FMP and therefore do not show on a number search. There are hundreds of these Newfoundland lists so it means a long haul. Seaforth casualties are shown under Perth Infantry Record Office. For instance list HA 3294 (p 42) shows 5559 Cpl Main, D of 7 Seaforths and 843 Pte Robertson, C of 1/5 Seaforths. You also need to check the P lists. These are Progress Sheets which show men from all Regiments. I checked all the 1916 RE lists for my gf, without luck, but did find some near misses. Brian Edited 18 May , 2023 by brianmorris547 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 18 May , 2023 Share Posted 18 May , 2023 Thanks Brian. Those suggestions from you and Dave are my task for the day. Or maybe DAYS! H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 11 hours ago, brianmorris547 said: Hazel On 17/11/2021 Dave (Dink 999) started to post some casualty lists that were found in the service records of Newfoundland soldiers. They start on p 41. They have not been indexed by FMP and therefore do not show on a number search. There are hundreds of these Newfoundland lists so it means a long haul. Seaforth casualties are shown under Perth Infantry Record Office. For instance list HA 3294 (p 42) shows 5559 Cpl Main, D of 7 Seaforths and 843 Pte Robertson, C of 1/5 Seaforths. You also need to check the P lists. These are Progress Sheets which show men from all Regiments. I checked all the 1916 RE lists for my gf, without luck, but did find some near misses. Brian Brian, I think I have screwed up and wasted a lot of time. I decided to check the “Newfoundland “ records and felt as I went through them that I had been there before. I now KNOW I have seen those records before. Last night I worked backwards through this thread to page 70 something. However this morning I started at the beginning of the The Casualty Index thread and got to the end of page 45. Tonight, I started at page 41 on THIS thread and now I’m thinking that the documents on the “Index” thread are a duplicate . Is that the case? I am now bug eyed but will try to get some sleep and figure it all out tomorrow. Because I am checking the “Progress” reports and odd hospital and hospital ship records I thought the best way was to work systematically through. I have at least kept a record this time of what I have done but should have thought about it a bit more before I started. It does help considerably to know that the Perth office is the likely place to check. Hazel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 15860 HA 15865 HA 15867 HA 15872 HA 15873 different from id 5073 on page 65 HA 15874 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 5 hours ago, dink999 said: Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 15860 HA 15865 HA 15867 HA 15872 HA 15873 different from id 5073 on page 65 HA 15874 Hi Hazel, In case it helps, the 'Newfoundland' lists are Casualty Lists which contain a Newfoundland contingent soldier and were found by Dave (Dink999). The Govt of Newfoundland (and now the Govt of Canada) did a good job in retaining all of these and now making them available online. Dave posted these lists on this thread - pretty much every image he posted between pages 41 and 59 on this thread are 'Newfoundland ' ones and very few of these are also to be found on FMP or Ancestry. So if you have been through these pages, then sadly, it is very unlikely that your man is recorded here yet. The index exists simply to show which lists have been posted on this thread to help people avoid duplicating ones which are already here, and to help people navigate to lists of specific interest. Does that help? David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 19 May , 2023 Share Posted 19 May , 2023 3 hours ago, David26 said: Hi Hazel, In case it helps, the 'Newfoundland' lists are Casualty Lists which contain a Newfoundland contingent soldier and were found by Dave (Dink999). The Govt of Newfoundland (and now the Govt of Canada) did a good job in retaining all of these and now making them available online. Dave posted these lists on this thread - pretty much every image he posted between pages 41 and 59 on this thread are 'Newfoundland ' ones and very few of these are also to be found on FMP or Ancestry. So if you have been through these pages, then sadly, it is very unlikely that your man is recorded here yet. The index exists simply to show which lists have been posted on this thread to help people avoid duplicating ones which are already here, and to help people navigate to lists of specific interest. Does that help? David. Thanks David, Yes that does help. What confused me I guess was that (don’t ask me why)I spent yesterday going through the records on the index thread and when I went back to the Casualty thread last night I realised that I was checking records I had already seen. In addition, I found posts from MYSELF from about ten years ago on that Index thread, hence the question. Will stick to this thread! Thanks again, Hazel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 21 May , 2023 Share Posted 21 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My past HA 15785 HA 15876 2 different HA 15877 lists HA 15878 HA 15880 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 21 May , 2023 Share Posted 21 May , 2023 Thanks to everyone who helped me with this. I learned a salutary lesson. Record everything you have already checked. I didn’t do that but as I worked through the lists I realized that I had been checking that thread on and off since just about its inception! Anyway, I didn’t find MY Grandfather but I did find my friend’s grandfather. It was quite serendipitous. The only reason I noticed him, was the name is unusual and he was a Lt. In a South African regiment. The other thing I noticed, was that several men, including amputees, were sent to the Ontario Military Hospital in Orpington. I know for sure that my Grandfather was in hospital in Orpington and since I can’t find any other hospitals it must have been this one. Since the “Newfoundland” records were preserved, how would one go about finding out if the Canadians retained the records from their hospitals? Thanks again, Hazel C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David26 Posted 22 May , 2023 Share Posted 22 May , 2023 Hazel, I am not sure how much of the records Canada holds have been digitised, but the following two sites may be useful starting places to try. While neither have the detailed records relating to the Ontario Military Hospital (later known as No.16 Canadian General (Ontario Military) Hospital) both include file references which it may be possible to search for or maybe even request access to from the Library and Archives of Canada. Good luck! Record of service – Overseas Military Forces of Canada medical units - Canada.ca Canadian Expeditionary Force - Canadian Army Medical Corps (bac-lac.gc.ca) David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 22 May , 2023 Share Posted 22 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 15882 HA 15896 HA 15900 HA 15902 HA 15906 HA 15909 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 22 May , 2023 Share Posted 22 May , 2023 After being told about casualty lists relating to POW’s on the International Committee of The Red Cross site (ICRC) at https://grandeguerre.icrc.org I checked what was available and found around 2,150 lists. As these lists are freely available there are no plans to post them on this site but between myself and @David26 we thought it would be helpful to index them, add the information to the spreadsheet that David produces and explain how to find these lists on the ICRC website. The lists consist of :- 9 from the Balkans (B prefix) 10 from Egypt (E prefix) 201 from France (HA prefix) 384 from the UK (HB prefix) 10 progress reports (P, PG & PM prefix) 1430 repatriated POW’s (X prefix) A new group of lists were found that are not on any of the paid websites as they relate to Officers, they have an OP prefix (99 in total) There were also 2 lists with no prefix. When you look at the latest index you will see that in the comments column for these lists there is a letter and number reference (e.g. R53081). This is the ICRC reference that is stamped on the casualty list (in this case one of 11 X.90494 lists), each page will have a different R number. The ICRC has uploaded these lists in batches of 150 but not all lists with the same list number are grouped together. If you are looking for a specific list such as X.90494 with ref. R53081 type this into your search engine (you will note that the last five digits of the web address are the R reference number):- https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/3211305/699/53081/ This is what will appear when you conduct the search:- Image courtesy if the ICRC website To look at other X90494 lists you can scroll through the images or change the last 5 numbers of the web address to the R number in the comments column on the Casualty List index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 22 May , 2023 Share Posted 22 May , 2023 8 hours ago, David26 said: Hazel, I am not sure how much of the records Canada holds have been digitised, but the following two sites may be useful starting places to try. While neither have the detailed records relating to the Ontario Military Hospital (later known as No.16 Canadian General (Ontario Military) Hospital) both include file references which it may be possible to search for or maybe even request access to from the Library and Archives of Canada. Good luck! Record of service – Overseas Military Forces of Canada medical units - Canada.ca Canadian Expeditionary Force - Canadian Army Medical Corps (bac-lac.gc.ca) David. Thanks so much David. A place to start. This sort of stuff isn’t a hobby, it’s an obsession. The occasional glimpse of a needle in a particular haystack gets one going even after having decided at some point that enough is enough. Hazel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 23 May , 2023 Share Posted 23 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 8935 2 parts of a damaged HA 15289 HA 15707 HA 15747 HA 15918 HA 15920 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 24 May , 2023 Share Posted 24 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 15923 HA 15940 HA 15991 HA 15994 HA 16065 HA 16120 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 24 May , 2023 Share Posted 24 May , 2023 HA 16631 November 1917 Courtesy FMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 25 May , 2023 Share Posted 25 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 16125 HA 16141 Amendments to HA 16150, HA 16698, HA 17156 & HA 17207 HA 16153 HA 16171 HA 16174 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 30 May , 2023 Share Posted 30 May , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 16175 HA 16183 HA 16185 HA 16186 HA 16187 HA 16190 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 9 June , 2023 Share Posted 9 June , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 16205 HA 16206 HA 16217 Amendment to HA 16230 2 different HA 16237 lists HA 16248 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 11 June , 2023 Share Posted 11 June , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 16269 HA 16293 HA 16302 HA 16349 HA 16350 HA 16364 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 16 June , 2023 Share Posted 16 June , 2023 Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 16392 HA 16401 HA 16410 HA 16431 HA 16440 HA 16451 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 18 June , 2023 Share Posted 18 June , 2023 (edited) Images courtesy of Find My past This group of lists are partial with a part of the right hand side torn off and missing the HA prefix. Searching through service/pension records I have managed to identify the date and HA prefix of these lists. HA 14995 from the records of 08566 Curtis dated 9 Oct. 1917 HA 16770 from 47387 Gnr. J Williams RFA 24 Nov. 1917 HA 18278 from 35810 Pte. F H Cheetham Notts & Derby Rgt. HA 19687 from 25120 Pte. S E Brooks Shropshire L.I. 12 Feb 1918 HA 21961 from 819 Pte. E Dorey R.G.L.I. 12 April 1918 HA 21978 from 32421 Pte. F Scott E. Lancs. Rgt. 12 April 1918 Edited 18 June , 2023 by dink999 Acknowledgement to FMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 19 June , 2023 Share Posted 19 June , 2023 A few more where I have managed to identify the date and prefix. Images courtesy of Find My Past HA 21668 dated 7 April 1918 from 40440 Pte. Sands Northants. Rgt. who was at Rouen. HA21823 dated 11 April 1918 from 35351 Pte. R Retford, Yorkshire Regiment HA 22959 30 April 1918 from 65511 Pte. P Bradley, MGC HA 24353 dated 1 June 1918 from 14216 Pte. H Welsh, Northants. Rgt. HA 24631 dated 6 June 1918 from 17485 Pte. W D Moylon, SWB HA 25720 dated 30 June 1918 from 516496 Pte. R Flannigan, Labour Co. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dink999 Posted 21 June , 2023 Share Posted 21 June , 2023 A few more HA prefix Nov. 1917 lists from Find My Past HA 16455 HA 16460 HA 16478 HA 16529 HA 16547 HA 16557 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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