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@Terry_Reeves Thank you.

Goodness. One officer and 423 OR wounded presumably meant that the battalion was combat ineffective until sufficient replacements arrived?  And that was whilst training. 

David.

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That was just unit training, they had been in France for  a while.  I do wonder how accurate that figure is or the level of injury.

TR

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3 HA 3977 lists all different from ids 451 & 2358

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HA 3978

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2 HA 3981 lists both different from id 4685 on page 62

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HA 3987

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HA 3989 

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HA5989

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HA 3996

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2 HA 3997 lists

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2 HA 3998 lists

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Thank you Dave.

Two more men of particular interest to me and both previously unknown: Gnr Fell and Bdr King from list H.A.3989.

David.

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HA 4009

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2 HA 4149 lists different from id 450 on page 26

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HA 4150

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3 HA 4160 lists different from id 461 on page 26HA4161_4.jpg.4a1dc550b56669402d7d8c662216bf25.jpgHA4161_2.jpeg.ec97fe669c19feb71ed233daca46f3df.jpegHA4161_1.jpg.6b6850bc6d96864eee79097e832d4f97.jpg

 

HA 4183

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HA 4323 different from id 4392 on page 58

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HA 4346

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This partial list is HA 4473 dated 21 November 1916 thanks to details in 83574 Gunner R O Evans pension records

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HA 4686

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Thanks for the 1916 partial List HA 4473 showing 1916 REs. One I missed.

Brian

 

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HA 4712

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HA 4715

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HA 4776

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HA 4808 different from id 746 on page 41

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HA 4882

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HA 4969

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HA 4995

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HA 5048 different from id 753 on page 41

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HA 5062

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HA 5325

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HA 5343

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Image HA 5457 which was partially transcribed on page 1, id no. 2

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HA5363

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HA 5477

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28 minutes ago, Bardess said:

HA 4818 is not showing for me

Thanks Diane, 

I typed HA 4818 than as I uploaded the image saw that it was in fact HD 4818 so removed it but left the text!

So here is HD 4818

Dave

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HA 5509 different from id 378 on page 22

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HA 5514

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HA 5522

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HA 5524

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HA 5526image.jpeg.c6a03bfb99f0e15b5ea50a7e25f3446e.jpeg

 

HA 5529

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HA 5532 different from id 527 on page 29

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HA 5543

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HA 5545

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HA 5560

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HA 5594

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This is list HA 5598 thanks to the records of 15127 McGorry Royal Munster Fusiliers

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HA 5605

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HA 5632

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HA 5641

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This list is prefixed HA 5688 which indicates admissions to a hospital in France. These men were admitted to a UK hospital, so the prefix should be HB. The date of admission does not fit with the list being HA 5688 but does with the prefix HB 5688

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HA 5690

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HA 5691

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HA 5694

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HA 5716

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HA 5717

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2 HA 5721 lists

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HA 5723

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HA 5739

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HA 5755

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HA5756

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HA 5766

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HA 5769

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HA 5776

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HA 5781

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HA 5782

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HA 5784

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HA 5786

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HA 5793

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HA 5847

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 HA 5989 different from id 2110 on page 47

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HA 5991 different from id 421 on page 24

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HA 5996 different from id 5192 on page 67

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Thank you Dave.

There is something rather odd about list H.A.5688 which you posted yesterday - it appears to be 3 months out of sequence.  A mid-April 1917 H.A. list should start H.A.8xxx, but H.A.5688 appears twice very clearly, and the date of 18 April 1917 also appears twice.  Might this have been an administrative error by the clerk?  Initially I wondered if it could be that the number was meant to be H.A.8688, though now I wonder if it should actually be H.B.5688 which would fit into that number sequence very well and the list is of men who have been admitted to hospitals in the UK.

Does anyone have any thoughts?

David.

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1 hour ago, David26 said:

There is something rather odd about list H.A.5688 which you posted yesterday - it appears to be 3 months out of sequence.  A mid-April 1917 H.A. list should start H.A.8xxx, but H.A.5688 appears twice very clearly, and the date of 18 April 1917 also appears twice.  Might this have been an administrative error by the clerk?  Initially I wondered if it could be that the number was meant to be H.A.8688, though now I wonder if it should actually be H.B.5688 which would fit into that number sequence very well and the list is of men who have been admitted to hospitals in the UK.

I’m sure you’re correct with it being an admin error as the list does not fit in the sequence of HA numbers date wise but does slot in perfectly as HB5688. I’ll amend my post to indicate our thinking on the prefix.

Dave

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HA 6001

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HA 6004

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HA 6026

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HA 6175 cont

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HA 6274

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HA 6315

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HA 6476

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HA 6496

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HA 6519

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HA 6625

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HA 6632

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HA 6646

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HA 6655

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HA 6665

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On 13/02/2023 at 23:21, Pat Atkins said:

Terry, can I ask you a question about digitised WDs (I'm not very knowledgeable about the archiving process, etc.)? The pages for most of May 1915 are missing from the 2nd Royal Fusiliers WD and the period includes a relative's death: in your experience is it likely this, too, was an omission during digitisation? In which case, I'll have to get to Kew when I'm back in the UK sometime. I appreciate they might simply have been lost, but it would be nice to think they were recoverable.

Cheers, Pat

Pat,

 I found a copy of the WD for 2nd Battalion Royal Fusiliers available for download for Kindle on the Amazon USA website and the contents page indicates which pages are missing for May 1915. Hope this helps ( at least to confirm that pages are missing)

Regards

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Thank you, that's very helpful - my father's uncle was killed at Gallipoli on 26th May (weirdly, the same day as his younger brother was killed in France). Curses. 

Cheers, Pat

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HA 6750

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HA 6763

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HA 6775

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HA 6789 different from id 577 on page 33

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HA 6797

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HA 6798 different from id 5038 on page 65

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HA 6805

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HA 6813

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HA 6815

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HA 6816

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HA 6817

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HA 6824

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HA 6878

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HA 6972

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HB 6980

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1 hour ago, alantwo said:

See 84362 Glover B/58.

Regards

Alan

Thank you @alantwo!  Another new man for me.

Regards,

David.

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A great resource in this thread.

Am I correct in saying that half of these casualties never make it to a casualty list as they were not "wounded" and therefore do not appear in the newspapers.  Interesting to see at what point do they split these lists?

If the British suffered 1.6 million wounded, could there be another 1.6 million sick??

 

Mark

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