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Jim

I assume that someone at the War Office was tasked with analysing all admissions into all Hospitals in Theatre, or in the UK, putting the names into Records Office order and issuing a list number. A lot of the lists I posted some years ago were RE and RGA. They showed the stamp of the RGA Record Office in Dover but not the RE Records Office which I think was at Chatham. 

Forum member SteveE found some in the SWB Rolls of the Hamilton Records Office at Kew, The lists had been re used as SWB Rolls. I followed his lead and found some more at Kew in SWB Rolls.

Brian 

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HB 14588

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HB 14632

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2 parts of list HB 14771

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HB 14784

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HB 14792

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HB 14869

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HB 14878

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HB 14958

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HB 15007

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HB 15017 different from id 3782 on page 55

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HB 15021

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HB 15038

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HB 15062

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HB 15077

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HB 15081

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HB 15083

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HB 15090

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HB 15106

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HB 15113

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HB 15122

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HB 15125

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HB 15135

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HB 15187

This list is of interest to me as it shows admissions to a VAD hospital in "The Cheltenham Area". Cheltenham was the HQ for the Gloucestershire Red Cross and for administration purposes an admission to the Cheltenham Area could mean to any of the 8 Cheltenham Hospitals, the 3 in Gloucester and the towns of Stow on the Wold, Tewkesbury & Winchcombe. 

The 16 men listed were part of a group of 150 whose arrival was recorded in the local papers. The other 134 soldiers would be on lists either side of HB 15187, I live in hope of find these others lists one day. I have added my list of these men to show which hospital they were admitted to.

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HB 15229

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HB 15231

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HB 15240

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HB 15245

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HB 15256

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HB 15284

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HB 15395

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HB 15399

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HB 15425

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HB 15431

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28730. Winchester and Hamilton Records Offices.

On p 70 we have List H 276 with amendments to 28730. 

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HB 15438

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HB 15468

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HB 15550

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HB 15528

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HB 15535

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HB 15541 

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HB 15547

 

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HB 15548

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HB 15549

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HB 15550

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Would anyone have the casualty list covering 20 March 1915 please? I am looking for my Grandfather James Merrill 6311 2KSLI GSW right thigh at St Eloi. Thanks in advance.

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On 17/11/2022 at 00:58, Stevejm said:

Would anyone have the casualty list covering 20 March 1915 please? I am looking for my Grandfather James Merrill 6311 2KSLI GSW right thigh at St Eloi. Thanks in advance.

Steve

Following on from our posts on Mound St Eloi in "Maps" you are in luck.

He is named on this partial list. There is no mention of the list number in his papers, which just record 20/03/1915 gsw r thigh severe.

Brian

EDIT: See Steve's post 20/11/2022. J Merrill was adm to 14 GH.

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HB 15552

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HB 15560

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HB 15567

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HB 15579 (sheet 60?) different from id 611 on page 35

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HB 15583

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HB 15585

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HB 15610

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HB 15626

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HB 15627

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HB 15628

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9 hours ago, brianmorris547 said:

Steve

Following on from our posts on Mound St Eloi in "Maps" you are in luck.

He is named on this partial list. There is no mention of the list number in his papers, which just record 20/03/1915 gsw r thigh severe.

Brian

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Brian,

That is absolutely amazing that you found that. Thank you so much.

Do you think that record relates to hospital admission or shipping out? He was wounded on 20/3/15 according to his record.

Regards

Steve

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Steve

I checked the names to see if I could find a List number or identify a hospital. 5498 W Campbell has a hospital admission MH 106/289 3 CCS 20/03/1915 gsw head, to No 12 Ambulance Train on the same day. 8746 Lewis Rutter has papers which show that he was returned to the UK on 22/03/1915. He lists his hospitals as Field Hospital France, 14 GH Boulogne and Middlesex. 1308 Albert Overhill has papers, his AF B 103 Casualty Form shows that he was admitted to 14 GH on 22/03/1915 and was evacuated to England the same day.

Your man is named in The Times Official Casualty Lists 14/04/1915 p 12 under Wounded - Shropshire L I.

6439 Randle W J is named on this later Casualty List from Salonika HC 3168 and 5933 Wynn E is named on Casualty List 15447 Cont p 2.

Brian

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12 hours ago, brianmorris547 said:

Steve

I checked the names to see if I could find a List number or identify a hospital. 5498 W Campbell has a hospital admission MH 106/289 3 CCS 20/03/1915 gsw head, to No 12 Ambulance Train on the same day. 8746 Lewis Rutter has papers which show that he was returned to the UK on 22/03/1915. He lists his hospitals as Field Hospital France, 14 GH Boulogne and Middlesex. 1308 Albert Overhill has papers, his AF B 103 Casualty Form shows that he was admitted to 14 GH on 22/03/1915 and was evacuated to England the same day.

Your man is named in The Times Official Casualty Lists 14/04/1915 p 12 under Wounded - Shropshire L I.

6439 Randle W J is named on this later Casualty List from Salonika HC 3168 and 5933 Wynn E is named on Casualty List 15447 Cont p 2.

Brian

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Brian,

Brilliant. Thank you so much.

Regards

Steve

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HB 15646

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HB 15678

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HB 15709

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HB 15727

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HB 15810

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HB 15831 this is a list of repatriated POW's different from id no. 3064 on page 51

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HB 15875

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HB 15877

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HB 15878

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HB 15887

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On 11/11/2022 at 10:50, Jim Strawbridge said:

Thank you Brian. I am surprised that more errors did not occur. I should be grateful if you (or dink) could explain how the casualty lists were gathered in the first instance. In the field, casualty clearing station or hospital (or elsewhere). Someone is sat at a typewriter to produce them - where. Finally does the information come from their pay book or somewhere else ?  An incapacitated casualty could not reel off their name and service number.  Just a novice trying to learn.

Only just seen this. I thought I posted the extracts below some time ago. The system for reporting wounded changed in the Spring of 1915 but with the massive backlog of errors I don't think the Regional Records Offices system came into play until June 1915. Before then they were producing multiple page lists with every possible unit mixed up, which means every office had to receive a copy and go through it line by line looking for their men.

The more organised lists produced 1916-1919 are I believe based on hospital returns by each DAG for every hospital in each base who then transmit that information to the AG who then transmits it to C2:Casualties at the WO who may be responsible for organizing the lists into Record Offices before transmitting it to the RO so they can update their records, inform the NOK and prepare an Official Wounded list for the Press Bureau (part of the WO) who check no sensitive information is being leaked before they allow HMSO or The Times to print the published Lists.

I've not been able to work out exactly what technology they were using to transmit the lists from the AG to the WO. There were teleprinter type machines capable of such things but I don't know if the receiving end automatically printed out lists or how each list was copied for every RO. Then there's the security aspect as the enemy would love to know the totals of wounded. Coded Morse code for the volume required seems impossible.

The W 3034 form is similar to the format for the A&D books.

TEW

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HB 15894

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HB 15895, some more repatriated POW's

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HB 15900

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HB 15902

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HB 15903

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HB 15967

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HB 15968

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HB 15984

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2 HB 15986 lists

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HB 15990

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HB 15997 different from id no. 6319 on page 80

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On 18/11/2022 at 01:38, brianmorris547 said:

Steve

I checked the names to see if I could find a List number or identify a hospital. 5498 W Campbell has a hospital admission MH 106/289 3 CCS 20/03/1915 gsw head, to No 12 Ambulance Train on the same day. 8746 Lewis Rutter has papers which show that he was returned to the UK on 22/03/1915. He lists his hospitals as Field Hospital France, 14 GH Boulogne and Middlesex. 1308 Albert Overhill has papers, his AF B 103 Casualty Form shows that he was admitted to 14 GH on 22/03/1915 and was evacuated to England the same day.

Your man is named in The Times Official Casualty Lists 14/04/1915 p 12 under Wounded - Shropshire L I.

6439 Randle W J is named on this later Casualty List from Salonika HC 3168 and 5933 Wynn E is named on Casualty List 15447 Cont p 2.

Brian

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Brian,

I have managed to obtain a transcript of his medical history which shows James admitted to No14 General Hospital on 20/3/15 and transferred to UK on 23rd March1BBD0BE7-C053-425B-97A4-E6F60BC8C943.jpeg.d5393dc6c49a12dafd22d9a96aae7478.jpeg

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8 hours ago, Stevejm said:

Brian,

I have managed to obtain a transcript of his medical history which shows James admitted to No14 General Hospital on 20/3/15 and transferred to UK on 23rd March1BBD0BE7-C053-425B-97A4-E6F60BC8C943.jpeg.d5393dc6c49a12dafd22d9a96aae7478.jpeg

Good. The partial list now has a bit more info. I will edit my post.

I am interested to know where you got that from. 

Brian

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HB 16010, HB 16011  & 2 different HB 16012 lists are all repatriated POW's601052381_HB16011POW.jpg.5acda7d42f727ef0a5fda6528c168f21.jpg

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HB 16022

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HB 16024

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HB 16025

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HB 16029

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HB 16032 is another POW list

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2 different HB 16052 lists, both contain repatriated POW's

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HB 16053 is another POW list

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I've just seen this post and would like to know more about the causality lists please.  Where are the lists keep, is it Ancestry or something similar, is there an index of the lists? 

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6 hours ago, brianmorris547 said:

Good. The partial list now has a bit more info. I will edit my post.

I am interested to know where you got that from. 

Brian

Brian,

It comes from a typed transcript titled “ Reports on Medical History Sheet” that was given to my mother by James’ daughter ( my aunt) years ago. Note that there is a discrepancy on it in that his return to UK is listed as 23 March in one place and 22 in another. I will PM a copy to you.

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6 hours ago, Gus1914 said:

I've just seen this post and would like to know more about the causality lists please.  Where are the lists keep, is it Ancestry or something similar, is there an index of the lists? 

The Lists were re used for other purposes and that is why they appear at random in various Service and Pension records. Some were also re used as Silver War Badge Rolls at various Record Offices e g Hamilton. The names on them have been indexed by FindMyPast (apart from the ones on the SWB Rolls - discussed earlier in this thread). The best way to search FMP is with the Service number of your Soldier. The results are shown as Surname - initial under British Army Service Records. It will also tell you in whose record they can be found. There are a number of mistakes on these lists usually with numbers and mis spellings. 

Brian

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2 different HB 16059 lists

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HB 16065

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HB 16071, a POW list

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HB 16073

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HB 16082

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HB 16089, another Pow list

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HB 16095

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HB 16114, part of a POW list

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HB 16123

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HB 16152

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2 versions of HB 16175 each with different damage. More returning POW'simage.jpeg.f192a4499ee3f9a5b57726d8e68f6917.jpegimage.jpeg.22a0d0fa165a73cf52cad61e7fa2d3e7.jpeg

 

HB 16205

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HB 16206, Pow's again

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HB 16211

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HB 16253

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HB 16254

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HB 16269

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HB 16300 more POW's different from id no. 2233 on page 48

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HB 16308, HB 16343 & HB 16359, POW's

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