4thGordons Posted 6 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Unit handily identified here: 7th Kom 4th Bayer Inf Rgt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 1 hour ago, 4thGordons said: The only other larger print of a hospital group - slightly damaged and not particularly well focused either: Have a look at this, reproduced for reference from: http://www.ebay.de/itm/70531-Feldpost-Foto-Ak-Frankfurt-a-M-Vereinslazarett-213-1917/331598851327 Seems to be FRankfurt am Main, and c. 1917 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AOK4 Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 15 minutes ago, trajan said: Fantastic group shot! A general and his staff, including a pilot at right named Beckmann and a naval officer, and a KUK pelinipotentiary... And as Wikipedia is still blocked in Turkey I can go no further with any of the names... There's v. Hoeppner and Thomsen with pour le Mérite. It must be the general staff of the German air force or something similar. That's a magnificent and extremely interesting picture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Good morning, the sender of Unit handily identified here: 7th Kom 4th Bayer Inf Rgt was Ludwig Körner. With this and his unit you should be able to look up his military career on ancestry which has digitized the Bavarian Stammrollen. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 1 hour ago, 4thGordons said: Last few for now - groups with writing! Chris 1) Ersatz-Bataillon Garde-Pioniere 1, Ersatz Kompagnie, is what it says and the uniform is right. 2) Immediate thought was Bayern because of those large cockades and that pickelhaube wappen, and so it says on the back also, indicating Kgl. Bayer. 2. Reserve-Infanterie-Regiment. The 71/84 bayonets also a give-away for WW1 period Bavarian troops. The troddel looks to be 2nd or 4th Komp. 1st Bataillon, but could be 10th or 12th of 3rd Bat. 3) Ha-ha! Trying to confuse us with that one! The back you show is the one for no.1... I'll make a guess, though - Feldartillerie-Regiment von Scharnhorst (1. Hannoversches) Nr. 10??? 4) A group of Reservists in their blues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 1 hour ago, 4thGordons said: ahhh who needs sleep when there are new pics to examine..... Nothing on the back of any of these. I should add that all the following as with the previous ID's are being done in my office while waiting for a student to come for an interview, and as I have no reference books here, I cannot check the ID's.... So, GreyC and Andi and others may well come in with corrections a-plenty - but that's the fun of GWF! 1) Studio shot - rifle with fixed bayonet (98/05), but another in the scabbard. The one in the scabbard is also an 98/05 and might be an a.A., but the metal scabbard gives a terminus post quem of early-mid 1915. 2) I'd guess Bavarian on account of the large cockade. The 'flag' type badge on the collar is, I think, "the Austrian tinnie of the 21st. Korps 1916" - see: http://gmic.co.uk/topic/71167-bavarian-cap-badge/ the source of this photograph below, another Bavarian with the same medal, and from the Kgl. Bayer. 16. Infanterie-Regiment Großherzog Ferdinand von Toskana 3) Possibly Kgl. Bayer. 23. Feldartillerie-Regiment? He has what looks to be a large cockade, and a 71/84 by his side. 4) A Garde regiment...!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 1 hour ago, 4thGordons said: Unit handily identified here: 7th Kom 4th Bayer Inf Rgt And just look at the size of the lower cockades, re-inforcing the basic rule that if it is bigger than the Reich one then it is Bavarian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 8 hours ago, 4thGordons said: 6 hours ago, AOK4 said: There's v. Hoeppner and Thomsen with pour le Mérite. It must be the general staff of the German air force or something similar. That's a magnificent and extremely interesting picture! And here we have von Hoeppner with Thomsen from: http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DRFK8Y/general-von-hoeppner-with-his-chief-of-staff-thomsen-DRFK8Y.jpg It would be great to get all the names sorted (no, I am not volunteering!), unless there is somewhere to be found on Google (remember, no Wikipedia of any kind in Turkey so I can't hep there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 8 hours ago, 4thGordons said: Looking back at this one, they are in their blues aren't they, and the epaulettes should be red, if I am correct on the ID, but it is 3rd Ersatz Kompagnie, in which case the troddel is yellow-white-yellow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 6 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2017 6 hours ago, trajan said: 3) Ha-ha! Trying to confuse us with that one! The back you show is the one for no.1... I'll make a guess, though - Feldartillerie-Regiment von Scharnhorst (1. Hannoversches) Nr. 10??? Sorry it was late! I have corrected this and put in the real reverse view. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 6 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Here are the names from the first photograph They are written in pencil and the background is fairly dark so I have tried to tweak the lighting/contrast a little to make them more visible, with only limited success it must be admitted: Top Bottom (in case the boots didn't give it away!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 6 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 6 June , 2017 All unmarked backs Collar numbers are 89 Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 9 hours ago, 4thGordons said: Last few for now - groups with writing! Even a bayonet here for Herr Trajan Chris EDIT CORRECTED TO ADD CORRECT REVERSE VIEW of No3 I feel happier on this one (until shot down in flames!), as the lack of a crown over the "2" with the white piping to the epaulletes, and the Brandenburg cuffs and the big cockades, and pickelhaube wappen, all seem Bayerisch, and so as the card indicates, BRIR 2... Haven't checked that correction yet! On dinner duty... So back later (hopefully!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 Hang about Chris, let's get the first lot sorted first (if you see what I mean!)... Pizza dough has another few minutes and so I'll plod on with those... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 1 hour ago, trajan said: Looking back at this one, they are in their blues aren't they, and the epaulettes should be red, if I am correct on the ID, but it is 3rd Ersatz Kompagnie, in which case the troddel is yellow-white-yellow... Hi, on the back nothing exciting, except, maybe, that the author writes that they would today "schwören wir dem Kaiser ewige Treue", which means that on that day they were sworn in on the Kaiser. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 9 hours ago, 4thGordons said: Last few for now - groups with writing! Even a bayonet here for Herr Trajan EDIT CORRECTED TO ADD CORRECT REVERSE VIEW of No3 Hmmm... I thought Feldartillerie-Regiment von Scharnhorst (1. Hannoversches) Nr. 10... But Fuss Artillerie 10? Whoops, big boys coming in (notification that GreyC is on lien) and so I'll go back to pizza making... 1 minute ago, GreyC said: Hi, on the back nothing exciting, except, maybe, that the author writes that they would today "schwören wir dem Kaiser ewige Treue", which means that on that day they were sworn in on the Kaiser. GreyC Would explain the 'blue uniforms'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 (edited) 17 minutes ago, trajan said: I feel happier on this one (until shot down in flames!), as the lack of a crown over the "2" with the white piping to the epaulletes, and the Brandenburg cuffs and the big cockades, and pickelhaube wappen, all seem Bayerisch, and so as the card indicates, BRIR 2... Haven't checked that correction yet! On dinner duty... So back later (hopefully!) Hi on this one he writes "back to the trenches tomorrow for six days". if I read it correctly. A wee bit difficult to decipher for me this one. GreyC Edited 6 June , 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, trajan said: Hmmm... I thought Feldartillerie-Regiment von Scharnhorst (1. Hannoversches) Nr. 10... But Fuss Artillerie 10? Whoops, big boys coming in (notification that GreyC is on lien) and so I'll go back to pizza making... Hi all, Trajan was right. I, too, read 1. Ersatz Batterie, 10. Fußart. Reg. He wrote to his friend that he was currently on watch with his pals. @Trajan: Not at all big. By no means. That´s an adjectiv fitting for Andreas in this respect. Good luck with the (turkish?) pizza. GreyC Edited 6 June , 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 3 minutes ago, GreyC said: Hi all, Trajan was right. I, too, read 1. Ersatz Batterie, 10. Fußart. Reg. [stationed in Straßburg at the outbreak of WW1]. He wrote to his friend that he was currently on watch with his pals. @Trajan: Not at all big. By no means. That´s an adjectiv fitting for Andreas in this respect. Good luck with the (turkish?) pizza. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 6 June , 2017 Share Posted 6 June , 2017 55 minutes ago, 4thGordons said: All unmarked backs Collar numbers are 89 Chris Hi Chris! #1 is a Landstzurmmann with the old numbers (woirn until 1915). It shows the Inf.Brig. 89 Zwickau, Saxony #2 Fieldartillery shoulder straps with a metal number. So it´s Reserve-Fieldartillery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 7 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 7 June , 2017 This looks like an interesting one if I am reading the tallyband correctly - Marine Flieger Abteilung (Naval aviation?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 7 June , 2017 Author Share Posted 7 June , 2017 19 hours ago, AOK4 said: There's v. Hoeppner and Thomsen with pour le Mérite. It must be the general staff of the German air force or something similar. That's a magnificent and extremely interesting picture! Thanks! Does this (rather poor picture) look like it may be Thomsen also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 4 hours ago, 4thGordons said: This looks like an interesting one if I am reading the tallyband correctly - Marine Flieger Abteilung (Naval aviation?) Good morning, There was only two pre-WW1 units in the imperial navy which had to do with airborne units. The Marine-Flieger and the Marine Luftschiffer. Both were formed in May of 1913 and issued respective captallies. During the war a host of other flying units within the navy were formed, most of them with their own captally. This tallyband could be that of the Marine-Flieger-Abteilung formed in 1913. I doubt that though, because the Gentleman next to our navy guy seems to indicate we are already in WW1 in which from the start the Marine-Flieger-Abteilung was enlarged and split into 1. Marine-Flieger-Abteilung (Kiel) and 2. Marine-Flieger-Abteilung (Wilhelmshaven). In September 1915 both were again renamed into 1. and 2. Seeflieger Abteilung. New captallies were issued after 3rd Dec. 1915. So your photo was probably taken between Aug 1914 and Dec. of 1915. How do I know? It´s all in Wedeking/Bodeaux: Die Mützenbänder der deutschen Marine 1815-1918, p. 234pp; Zweibrücken 2005. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 18 hours ago, 4thGordons said: All unmarked backs Bavarians, those lower cockades... In which case if that is an '8', then Kgl. Bayer. 8. Infanterie-Regiment Großherzog Friedrich II. von Baden? Note also that the chappie on the right has a S.98 a.A. (ribbed grip), and that his troddel looks to be 7th or 8th Komp., II Bat. (yellow-red-yellow, blue-red-blue) or 10th or 12th Komp. III Bat. (red-yellow-red, blue-yellow-blue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 7 June , 2017 Share Posted 7 June , 2017 6 hours ago, 4thGordons said: Thanks! Does this (rather poor picture) look like it may be Thomsen also? Yes! Same one is found in a webpage on him at: https://ww2gravestone.com/people/lieth-thomsen-hermann-von-der/ from which I have copied it for reference. Is yours a postcard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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