JMB1943 Posted 27 February , 2023 Share Posted 27 February , 2023 Mr. Ryan, Mr. Ryan....... Looks like you have cleared the Big 100 and 4 more besides. Well done again! Will update the list in several weeks, when I get home. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 27 February , 2023 Share Posted 27 February , 2023 JMB, Enjoy that holiday, will keep any new additions found for both posts until we see that you are back in circulation again. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 18 March , 2023 Share Posted 18 March , 2023 Hello Mr. TR, I am back (have just updated the Smiling Tigers listing) from my walkabout. Will update the RAF list later this weekend, after you have posted any additional numbers seen recently. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 20 March , 2023 Share Posted 20 March , 2023 Updated list is here. (A) Must admit that I have some reservations about RAF/ 1. D / 1481. 1) It lacks the periods between R A F & 1 D (although most do not, some others do lack periods). 2) It lacks the ____ underline bar 3) The font of all of the stamps is VERY different that of ALL other known examples. Can I get agreement to delete 1. D 1481? (B) Since 7409 (if it is 0) has an ambiguous letter code (B, E, D) have listed it in the UNK column. Regards, JMB 1 1. A 1. B 1. C 1. D 1. E 1. F A.L. UNK 1 0681 0371 0140 1175 0871 0116 1113 5415 6701 749* 0943 1601 2013 1481*** 0306 2103 7409 0768 1078 2994 2202 2017 0398 6802 1712 1606 3157 3641 3021 0852 5 1878 4027 4607 4128 3515 0897 2279 4335 4650 4613 3605 1016 4878 7859 5652 5222 3713 1550 5552 8065 7112 5398 4379 1559 5806 7173 6557 5319 1787 10 5809 7448 7808 5546 2440 6719 8238 8080 5553 3242 6731 8757 9235 5713 3881 7912 9557 9303 5868 3991 8356 9798 6563 4033 15 9369 9911 7390 4232 9957 7564 4460 9996 7600 4594 8029 4791 8082 4840 20 8490 5448 8634 5476 9298 6206 9500 6342 25 30 17 8 13 15 23 23 3 1 2 = 105 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 20 March , 2023 Share Posted 20 March , 2023 JMB Glad you enjoyed your family visit, and as John Denver sang, "its good to be back home again" for me also, home last night, but we enjoyed our time away. Thanks for the 2 new updated lists, so much easier to keep check on. 1D 1481, it does look odd to the rest, maybe leave it in the unknown list for the time being as something might come to light about it in the future. I believe these are all new numbers for this list. RAF 6682 (sellers discript). 1A 4613, 1C 3527, 1D 5282, 1E 2135 (sellers discript.), 1E 2394. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 21 March , 2023 Share Posted 21 March , 2023 TR, Quite the haul of new numbers that you have there! R A F / / 6682 is the first one lacking an alphanumeric descriptor that we have seen, so rather special. @trajan will be very interested to see that one. I’m struck by the contrast between the shiny pommels of some and the corroded pommels of others. Will update the list shortly. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 22 March , 2023 Share Posted 22 March , 2023 JMB Regarding RAF 1D 1481 which you had a ? on whether it should be deleted from the list. I came across a photo of RAF 1C 9798 which is already on the list and thought it looked to have been stamped in a similar way, so thought it was worth you checking it out. What are your thoughts on both. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 22 March , 2023 Share Posted 22 March , 2023 (edited) TR, Well, I must admit that the photo of 9798 puts 1481 in a different perspective. Same placement, lack of periods, lack of underline so that is a plus. I had previously overlooked the shiny pommel (typical of many RAF bayos), and that is another plus. The font is still a little odd-looking, but not a deal-breaker. Overall, 1481 probably deserves to remain in the list. Thanks for taking the time to dig out that photo. Regards, JMB Edited 22 March , 2023 by JMB1943 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 28 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2023 On 20/03/2023 at 21:40, JMB1943 said: Updated list is here. On 21/03/2023 at 01:40, t.ryan said: 1D 1481, it does look odd to the rest, maybe leave it in the unknown list for the time being as something might come to light about it in the future. I believe these are all new numbers for this list. RAF 6682 (sellers discript). 1A 4613, 1C 3527, 1D 5282, 1E 2135 (sellers discript.), 1E 2394. On 21/03/2023 at 18:43, JMB1943 said: Quite the haul of new numbers that you have there! R A F / / 6682 is the first one lacking an alphanumeric descriptor that we have seen, so rather special. @trajan will be very interested to see that one. Slowly working my way backwards through GWF after a 8-9 week pause forced on me by changes in teaching schedule and load after the 6th February earthquake over here. My university has adopted a weird hybrid system: classes to be given in class on campus for students who wish to attend, and on-line for others who wish to stay at home. This system promoted by the Universities Council here to suit the wishes of students directly and/or physically or mentally affected by the earthquake, plus the need to use university dormitories, etc., for the 1.6 million people made homeless by the earthquake... So, I slowly come back into the fray, and JMB thank you so much for keeping the pot simmering while I have been away, plus TR and other contributors for supplying new data! Yes, that RAF / / 6682 is an interesting one! Needs some thought! It looks like RAF bayonets is going to achieve the same cult status as your Tigeres Mr.JMB! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 28 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 March , 2023 On 22/03/2023 at 19:08, JMB1943 said: TR, Well, I must admit that the photo of 9798 puts 1481 in a different perspective. Whoops - missed this one in my haste to get on working through all these old posts! Yes, a rethink there on 1481... The German system was that individual units made their own stamps for unit markings, and so the variations in the number styles, but not the size on regularly marked bayonets. One would have thought that a centralised system as seems to be the case with these RAF ones would use a centralised standard stamp. but seems it was not the case - unless, of course, we have a re-numbered specimen to replace a lost example, or a late addition to a previously completed' run or the seqeunce. Yes, those bright pommels seem to be the usual finish - both of mine are like that. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N White Posted 29 March , 2023 Share Posted 29 March , 2023 Seen at a local show. Sanderson 1-18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 30 March , 2023 Share Posted 30 March , 2023 Thanks to all of the tiger-hunters, here is latest updated list. Regards, JMB No alpha-numeric 1 1 A 1 B 1 C 1 D 1 E 1 F A L UNK 6682 0681 0371 0140 1175 0871 0116 1113 5415 6701 749* 0943 1601 2013 1481 0306 2103 7409 0768 1078 2994 2202 2017 0398 6802 1712 1606 3157 3527 3021 0852 5 1878 2706 4607 3641 3515 0897 2279 4027 4650 4128 3605 1016 4878 4335 5652 4613 3713 1550 5552 4613 7112 5222 4379 1559 5806 7859 7173 5398 5282 1787 10 5809 8065 7448 6557 5319 2135 6719 8238 7808 5546 2394 6731 8757 8080 5553 2440 7912 9557 9235 5713 3242 8356 9303 5868 3881 15 9369 9798 6563 3991 9957 9911 7390 4033 9996 7564 4232 7600 4460 8029 4594 20 8082 4791 8490 4840 8634 5448 9298 5476 9500 6206 25 6342 30 1 17 10 13 16 24 25 3 1 2 = 112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 31 March , 2023 Author Share Posted 31 March , 2023 Wonder if we'll ever get a 9999! Looks possible now, thanks to all these ones being posted by all you chaps out there! And JMB, this list format is great! Julian (still catching up on GWF posts!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 3 April , 2023 Share Posted 3 April , 2023 JMB, Not another litter but another gathering for the want of a better word; of RAF marked 07 bayonets for your list and all from same place over your way. Numbers 1-6209, 1A-6349, 1B-2406, 1B-5059, 1B-6802, 1C-1011, 1E-3429, for you to check; if I read them correct, they all appear to be new numbers. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 3 April , 2023 Share Posted 3 April , 2023 TR, Many thanks for this new bundle of RAF- marked bayonets. Two of these are especially interesting to me. The first is the 1B, with the oversized B; this speaks to our other example of unusual font. The second is the 1E / 3429, which has a W 19 stamp at the top of the pommel; I’ll have to read our article again to be sure, but off-hand I don’t remember a previous marking of this type. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 4 April , 2023 Author Share Posted 4 April , 2023 Thanks TR, you diligent spotter! JMB, and all others, I think Arms and Armour where we published our article on these does allow 'Notes' as updates - possibly the on-line version as well. With all these ones coming up, though, when to strike???!!! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 4 April , 2023 Share Posted 4 April , 2023 I have just become aware that an early bayonet book, Bayonet Markings, A Guide For Collectors by I.D. Davidson, printed by the Benedict Press, 115 Lowther Road, Brighton, England; published privately by the author, 1973 shows a line-drawing of the pommel of a Patt. 1907 bayonet marked to the R.A.F. (page 6) The format R.A.F. / 1 E / 2773 between the clearance hole and the release button is correct. Davidson does offer acknowledgements to several authors in his foreword, so it is not clear whether he himself had seen an RAF-marked bayonet, or was borrowing from one of those. However, that particular serial has not yet appeared in real life. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 10 April , 2023 Share Posted 10 April , 2023 JMB, Only one new RAF number from the last search, Number 1C 5306; it also has an extra C73 stamp on the top of the pommel similar to the last one I posted. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 11 April , 2023 Author Share Posted 11 April , 2023 6 hours ago, t.ryan said: JMB, Only one new RAF number from the last search, Number 1C 5306; it also has an extra C73 stamp on the top of the pommel similar to the last one I posted. Cheers, TR Thanks TR for keeping an eye for these! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 13 April , 2023 Share Posted 13 April , 2023 trajan, JMB, Another couple of RAF numbers, 1B 0993 & 1C 0049 for you to check and add to the list if ok, one US and one UK. These RAF marked bayonets are becoming a bit like the smiling tiger bayonets, they just keep flying in. Cheers, TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 13 April , 2023 Share Posted 13 April , 2023 Mr Ryan, Thanks again for spotting these. I think that 1C / 0049 is the first double-digit example to be found. Time soon to update the list, so let’s aim for 150. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 April , 2023 Author Share Posted 13 April , 2023 8 hours ago, t.ryan said: Another couple of RAF numbers, 1B 0993 & 1C 0049 for you to check and add to the list if ok, one US and one UK. ... These RAF marked bayonets are becoming a bit like the smiling tiger bayonets, they just keep flying in. Many thanks! They do indeed keep flying () in! Any idea as to the makers and date? 2 hours ago, JMB1943 said: Time soon to update the list, so let’s aim for 150. Yes, that number looks possible now - I admit I was beginning to doubt it, but with TR's help in particular, we are getting there! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 13 April , 2023 Share Posted 13 April , 2023 (edited) trajan, They are both Sandersons but dates are unclear, so added the photo's for you to see. 1B 0993 is 2/18 or 12/18 and 1C 0049 ?. 10/18 I am not sure why the photo's come up so large, it would be good to get them down to about 1/4 the size, any suggestions. Cheers, TR Edited 13 April , 2023 by t.ryan Add extra info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 14 April , 2023 Author Share Posted 14 April , 2023 Thanks TR! All grist to the mill! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 18 April , 2023 Share Posted 18 April , 2023 (edited) JMB, trajan, A couple of new RAF marked bayonets for you to check out, both examples have the extra marking on the top of the pommel; so a bit more homework for you. 1E 4044 and marked A363, shown as a Sanderson but no date. 1E 4950 and marked D214. Vickers 2/18, as stated by the seller, the 18 is unclear but as they were only made in 17/18 should be correct. There is also a recent RAF marked bayonet that has shown up on the GB forum which your are already aware of JMB but I do not think it has been added to the list yet. 1A 1603, there is a good photo of it on the GB forum, so I did not add another photo of it here. Cheers, TR Edited 18 April , 2023 by t.ryan Add extra info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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