Matlock1418 Posted 27 October , 2023 Share Posted 27 October , 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, museumtom said: There is an earlier PIC for Henry O'CONNELL, 8371, R, Dublin Fus, He was discharged 5.7.16 and awarded a disabiity pension of 15/- pw from 6-7-16 to end of the quarter of man's death - but we can't see what for. The further bad news is that on it the awards file is recorded as deliberately destroyed on/by 21.5.24 M Edited 28 October , 2023 by Matlock1418 add omission of man's death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 27 October , 2023 Share Posted 27 October , 2023 (edited) O'Connell's disability was osteo-arthritis, not tb. He was formerly 4992 Royal Munster Fusiliers and served during the Boer War. There is a death registered at West Bromwich, Oct-Dec 1916, which fits the age given in his service papers. A second pension card, which I assume is the one Matlock refers to above, gives the date of death as 03/01/1917. Edited 27 October , 2023 by PaulC78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 27 October , 2023 Share Posted 27 October , 2023 13 hours ago, George Rayner said: We looked for this man three months ago-I have now found a family tree on ancestry for him-but no death date. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/164176037/person/432157295133/facts I had another look for Fitzgerald and found this via Ancestry: https://www.guinness-storehouse.com/en/discover/find-your-family/search-results/details?employeeId=13416 Birth date matches the family tree you linked to, death date was apparently 22/11/1919 but still no sign of a DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 27 October , 2023 Share Posted 27 October , 2023 (edited) On 26/10/2023 at 21:33, museumtom said: Good man Paul, y'know I think we might be able to help each other here. I have a guy and could not find his military service and you have a lad and cannot find his date of death. He is my pitch. He could be this lad or not. Could be coincidence Tom, but I found this attestation form on FMP for the other Fitzgerald: Edited 27 October , 2023 by PaulC78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 27 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 27 October , 2023 What a team, I was not expecting much progress with this lad, too obscure but your finds help greatly thank you guys! Thing is, when did he die? Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 28 October , 2023 Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Just to add to above from Fold3 George Sorry this seems to have appeared incorrectly... George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Good man George, thank you kindly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Hello again guys and gals. Myself and George have been puzzled with this lad, of these lads? Are they one and the same please all? George found this- This is the baptism of James Robinson's step daughter Mary Ann. Leading us to Robinson's wife being Norah Flynn, nee Dunne. Soldier's effects has Norah crossed out and Honoria written in. She is also the sole legatee. There is a James Robinson who died in Dublin 1917(?) aged 71 who could be his father. The only Irish Guard with the name Robinson using 73** just gives 7378 including CWGC 7336 brings a chap called Hanlon. And it's interesting that the Pension Card for 7336 lists the regiment as Royal Irish Guards-who don't exist. I wondered if that was Royal Irish ? but couldn't find anything. Which means I don't know if they are the same man. I think so...but the Forum hive mind could have an opinion!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 28 October , 2023 Share Posted 28 October , 2023 1 minute ago, museumtom said: And it's interesting that the Pension Card for 7336 lists the regiment as Royal Irish Guards-who don't exist. I wondered if that was Royal Irish ? but couldn't find anything. The DEE pension code is for the Irish Guards. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 28 October , 2023 Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Unless there's been an error with mixing up the man it can be seen that someone had written the wrong suffix (211) to the DEE code (to match the widows code on the second card - WEE 211) and then corrected the suffix to the correct one (1453). There would be a different suffix for the same man between the DEE and WEE prefixes so you could suggest that it was a clerk who has transferred the wrong reference for the man from his other card, and then just corrected it. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Good man Craig, thank you kindly, good to have you back. Only you would have noticed the DEE code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 28 October , 2023 Share Posted 28 October , 2023 So Craig has shown they are the same man Not sure if this helps or hinders A James Robinson in Irish Guards injured in accident in Aug 1916 in Dungannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Oooh that sounds sore, thank you David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 28 October , 2023 Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Actually Tom, I see there are more Irish Guards called James Robinson, than you would care to research. If you trawl for "James Robinson" and "Irish Guards" there are a lot in Ancestry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 You are scaring me now David.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 How's about this lad then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 28 October , 2023 Share Posted 28 October , 2023 (edited) Death registered at South Dublin as William Smith, age 45. Not seeing any other military records, though. EDIT: There is a pre-war record on FMP for William Smyth, 945 10th Royal Reserves, enlisted 14/05/1900, discharged 13/05/1901 (termination of engagement); also ex Royal Dublin Fusiliers (time expired). He was a baker from Dublin which fits with the DC. EDIT 2: Found another pre-war record for William Smyth 2751 Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Enlisted 12/11/1887, discharged medically unfit 11/07/1893. Could be the same man as the other record, but not sure. Edited 28 October , 2023 by PaulC78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 On the ball, thank you kindly Paul. Address is 9 Braithwaite Street, Dublin. This is progressing nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 28 October , 2023 Share Posted 28 October , 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, museumtom said: James ROBINSON, 7336, Irish Guards From the corresponding pension ledger page [originally indexed at WFA/Fold3 as BOLINSON] we can see his father, James ROBINSON senior, was born 1853 M Edited 28 October , 2023 by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Thank you Matlock, a great find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 Working on all the clues given we have a possibility, Patrick Street, is not far from Thomas Street, Dublin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 28 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2023 All in all I do not see any mention of WW1 service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2023 Juts to mess up your Sunday, can you find him please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 29 October , 2023 Share Posted 29 October , 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, museumtom said: Juts to mess up your Sunday, can you find him please? John MALLOY, R/357052, Army Service Corps Has a dependant's pension ledger page [as related to above] and he has his own earlier disability pension index card too = Not yet admitted. Both as RASC = so just possibly a post Nov-1918 serviceman/after the Royal prefix was awarded [that said after that date ASC and RASC were commonly both used rather loosely for quite a while] ??? M Edited 29 October , 2023 by Matlock1418 yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2023 (edited) Thank you Matlock, it all helps. Edited 29 October , 2023 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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