Matlock1418 Posted 29 October , 2023 Share Posted 29 October , 2023 12 minutes ago, George Rayner said: I came across a reference to a trawler from Lowestoft called Lord Kitchener. Tea beckons-if you haven’t turned it up I’ll return to the fray Possibly might help if you could please. Certainly generally speaking ... steam drifters and trawlers [though intended for different fishing methods and thus of differing builds] were commonly used for mine-sweeping and losses from mines were sadly all too frequent. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 29 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2023 Intriguing indeed, thank you again guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 29 October , 2023 Share Posted 29 October , 2023 I think the boat was LT 261 a drifter based in Lowestoft. If correct she was scrapped 1927…I wondered why I couldn’t see any other Lord Kitchener hands listed on the same date. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2023 Well found thank you George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2023 Good morning all. This mornings offering is this lad. I am not sure if this is his death certificate or confirm his date of death. Anything you can add will be very much appreciated. He was shot in the leg, head in 1915 and only had burn scars when he joined the Navy? https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F007283711%2F00695&parentid=GBM%2FWO363-4%2F7283711%2F59%2F695 Mulvey , Patrick . (Dublin). Rank- Stoker 2nd Class . Regiment/Service: Royal Navy . Unit: H.M.S. Centurian . Ser No: K30323 . Date of death: 23/02/1918 . Age: . Born: St James, Dublin . Enlisted: 30/12/1915 at Devonport. Occupation on enlistement-Works Foreman, Army Ordnance. Patrick had previous service with the Leinster Regiment enlisting 14/09/1898 aged 16 under service number 5638. He was shot in the face , right arm and leg on 07/08/1915. Awarded the Distinguished Conduct Medal for Conspicuous gallantry, ability and coolness. After every officer had been put out of action in a German attack, he assumed command, and with great determination directed effective fire on the enemy and kept his men well in hand. Discharged time expired on 13/09/1915. Also had pre war servcie with the 3rd Battalion, Royal Dublin Fusiliers. On his joining the Navy the only wounds he had were -Scars on abdomen from old burns? . Residence: 104 Coombe Street, Dublin. Address at death- 43 Upper Wellington Street, Dublin, formerly 106 Francis Street, Dublin. . Death: . Next of kin, etc: Son of John Mulvey, 7 Cross Basin Lane, Dublin, a deceased Labourer. Husband of Mrs Mary (Nee Lacey, married at St Nicholas Church, South Dublin on 02/10/1910) Mulvey. Son Patrick was born 06/06/1916, and John born 18/07/1911.Notes- Patrick left the Navy to transfer to the Leinster Regiment at Birr, King's County on 07/09/1916. I did not find any record to show he did join the army after the Navy. Mulvey.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 30 October , 2023 Share Posted 30 October , 2023 The date of death on the DC doesn't match the pension card. I think this could be your man: Buried at Philips Park Cemetery on 02/03/1918: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/140259473/patrick-mulvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2023 (edited) Good man Paul, thank you very much a lovely find. The question is...is it him? Having said all that the date in Findagrave is burial date not death date. Edited 30 October , 2023 by museumtom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 30 October , 2023 Share Posted 30 October , 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, George Rayner said: I think the boat was LT 261 a drifter based in Lowestoft. If correct she was scrapped 1927…I wondered why I couldn’t see any other Lord Kitchener hands listed on the same date. MORRISSEY As I said, "Lord Kitchener" is a nightmare to search - not least because of his Lordship's position & influence and because of the sinking of HMS Hampshire - but also because there was a trawler of that name sunk in 1917 http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/L-Ships/lordkitchener1899.html, https://wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?186275 = ??? M Edited 30 October , 2023 by Matlock1418 name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2023 Thank you Matlock, much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2023 Another difficult one arose. I cannot find any of his records, can you help please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 30 October , 2023 Share Posted 30 October , 2023 2 hours ago, museumtom said: Another difficult one arose. I cannot find any of his records, can you help please? From a quick glance the 61128 number seems to be from around July 1915. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2023 Thank you Craig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 31 October , 2023 Share Posted 31 October , 2023 Looks like he is in Glasnevin Cemetery Name James Stafford Birth Date 1882 Death Date 6 Jun 1920 Cemetery Glasnevin Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place Glasnevin, County Dublin, Ireland Has Bio? N URL https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/259352041/james-stafford George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 31 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 31 October , 2023 Good morning George, well found, thank you for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 31 October , 2023 Share Posted 31 October , 2023 19 hours ago, museumtom said: James STAFFORD, 61128, RAMC A pension index card for an unspecified condition disability claim at WFA/Fold3 shows his discharge 27-8-15 He was awarded £15 [i.e. a Gratuity] = which means the military did not accept liability for his condition [which they will have seen as pre-existing prior to service] - his file was later destroyed. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 31 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 31 October , 2023 Thank you Kindly Matlock, it all helps. Does the card give his rank please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 31 October , 2023 Share Posted 31 October , 2023 2 minutes ago, museumtom said: Thank you Kindly Matlock, it all helps. Does the card give his rank please? James STAFFORD, 61128, RAMC No the PIC doesn't have his rank, but it has Deceased 6-6-20 There is a further disability pension ledger page which gives his rank as Pte. In case you ask: His address is recorded as Unknown and there are no details of a disability or award - the few annotations are dated 1920 and there is a final note of Deceased 6-6-20 M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 31 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 31 October , 2023 Thank you Matlock, the DOD clinches it, and now I have his rank, it all helps greatly, thank you kindly old chum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 31 October , 2023 Share Posted 31 October , 2023 (edited) If I may, I have one from north of the border. John Joseph Gibson 281936 Royal Engineers, died on 28/01/1920 from blackwater fever which I gather is a form of malaria. I can find several pension cards as well as medal card/roll, but no apparent discharge date and no trace of his death. Edited 31 October , 2023 by PaulC78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 31 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 31 October , 2023 Sorry Paul old buddy, nothing crops up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2023 Hello Guys and Gals. Can you help us with this one please? He has us foxed. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 3 November , 2023 Share Posted 3 November , 2023 Not seeing the images Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 3 November , 2023 Try now Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 3 November , 2023 Share Posted 3 November , 2023 The name threw me off but he's on CWGC as Thomas Fawcett JULIN: https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2871456/thomas-fawcett-julin/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 4 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 4 November , 2023 Good man Paul, well done and thank you kindly, a great find. Now he was not an easy one but it was no bother to you. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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