Lancashire Fusilier Posted 31 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2013 Wolseley 16/20 tourer 1913 complete with WD number on the bonnet and also on the front number plate, I do not know the location of the photo or the smart chap standing at the side of the car. Crimson Rambler Excellent photograph, and I think the first Wolseley 16/20 Tourer we have seen being used by the military, also interesting to see the Military Registration Number both on the bonnet and on a front plate. Your driving the Tourer, must have been a great experience. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 31 December , 2013 Share Posted 31 December , 2013 Vehicles were not 'requisitioned', but were claimed under the subsidy B scheme (under which buyers were assisted in the purchase of vehicle provided they would be made available in the event that the government/army needed them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 31 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2013 Vehicles were not 'requisitioned' Whilst many vehicles were made available to the War Department under the ' Subsidy Scheme ', they were insufficient, hence the need for the WD to requisition vehicles, as they did with the London buses, all of which were ' requistioned ' by the WD. The WD's massive requirements for vehicles, seems to have been met by both the Subsidy Scheme and by Requisitioning. There are numerous references to the requisitioning of vehicles by the WD, and also ships, boats and horses. Quote from the Long, Long Trail which can be linked from this Forum :- " The ASC MT Omnibus Companies - The army requisitioned and used buses as a means of transport for troops. " Quote from The London Transport Museum :- " Within days of the declaration of hostilities in August 1914, the War Department began requisitioning buses from the London General Omnibus Company (LGOC) and other bus companies. By October 1914 over 300 buses had been pressed into military service; by the end of the war over 1,000 buses were in use on the front. " Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 January , 2014 A Happy New Year to everyone. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANVILLE Posted 1 January , 2014 Share Posted 1 January , 2014 Let's hope & pray history does not repeat itself? Congratulations on maintaining such an excellent thread. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 1 January , 2014 Share Posted 1 January , 2014 Was not the B type bus chassis specifically designed to meet the B subsidy scheme criteria - and thus inevitably 'called up'? I suspect the word requisitioned is being loosely used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 January , 2014 Let's hope & pray history does not repeat itself? Congratulations on maintaining such an excellent thread. David David, I am sure we all share your hopes for the future, and I am pleased that you are enjoying the Thread. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 January , 2014 Some very seasonal photos from Hesdin a small village in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais region of Northern France, lying between Montreuil ( to its East ), and Arras ( to its West ). A Royal Engineer's Motor-Cyclist having trouble in the heavy snow on the Hesdin - St. Pol Road, 17th December 1917. LF IWMQ8430 These images re reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 January , 2014 The heavy December 1917 snow blanketing the Nord-Pas-de-Calais region of Northern France, did not stop essential military operations, and here we see an Army General Service ( G.S. ) wagon going downhill on a snow-covered road near Hesdin, with soldiers hauling on drag ropes behind the wagon to keep it from running down the hill. The photo is dated 20th December, 1917. LF IWMQ8352 This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 1 January , 2014 Share Posted 1 January , 2014 And not a motor in sight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 January , 2014 And not a motor in sight. Necessary military operations had to continue, including those requiring the use of motor vehicles, and here we see a French military vehicle having trouble in the December 1917 deep snow on that same Hesdin - St. Pol Road. Photo dated 17th December, 1917. LF IWMQ8333 These images re reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 1 January , 2014 Share Posted 1 January , 2014 Where's the bloody horses when you need them?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 January , 2014 More photographic evidence of military operations continuing on both land and in the air, despite heavy winter snow in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais region of Northen France during December 1917. This photo shows a captured German Airman ( an Observer ) taken prisoner after the pilot of his aircraft was shot and killed, with the aircraft making a forced landing. The Observer who was uninjured, was taken prisoner and is being escorted under RFC guard in a military vehicle on the Arras-Hesdin Road. Note, the vehicle's wheels are fitted with snow chains. The photograph is dated 30th December, 1917. LF IWM This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 1 January , 2014 Share Posted 1 January , 2014 Note the snow chains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil@basildon Posted 1 January , 2014 Share Posted 1 January , 2014 Was not the B type bus chassis specifically designed to meet the B subsidy scheme criteria - and thus inevitably 'called up'? I suspect the word requisitioned is being loosely used No, they did not comply with the subsidy scheme. However there was so many of them available in 1914 that many were requisitioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 January , 2014 Reference post # 1087 No, they did not comply with the subsidy scheme. However there was so many of them available in 1914 that many were requisitioned. phil w, It is estimated that 1/3rd of L.G.O.C.'s 1914 London motorbus fleet, were requisitioned by the WD to be used as troop transports. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 1 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 January , 2014 With reference to post # 1087, the ASC driver is wearing the ' Coat, Sheepskin lined '. This coat was made of heavy weight canvas, sheepskin lined with a fur collar, and metal fastening clips instead of buttons. This coat, was designed to keep the ASC drivers warm whilst driving their open cab motor vehicles. LF C/o. S. Chambers - ' Uniforms and Equipment of the British Army in WW1 '. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 2 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 2 January , 2014 Clyno motorcycle combinations armed with Vickers machine guns, part of a Motorcycle Machine Gun Section, preparing to leave their camp at Dieval, a small farming village 18 miles North West of Arras, in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais region of Northern France. Note the formation of the officers on their motorcycles, leading the section. The photograph is dated 22nd June, 1918. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockdoc Posted 3 January , 2014 Share Posted 3 January , 2014 I know nothing about Clyno but the spare wheel on each of the combinations makes me wonder whether, like Phelon & Moore (Panther) later, the outfits had interchangeable wheels. That would be a very useful thing in a tight spot. Even when mending punctures was a much more common thing than it is today, it took time to extract the wheel, take off the tyre, remove the old inner-tube, make sure whatever caused the puncture is gone, put in a new tube, replace the tyre and put the wheel back again. The rear mudguard stay on the front wheel is also a stand to assist getting the wheel out and the chances are the rear has something similar to the one seen on the Triumph(?) being used by the officers. Sidecars tended not to have stands in civvie street but, in this era, are generally quite light so they can be tilted up using the bike as a pivot, and propped up while the work's done. Undo one nut, take out the spindle, wheel away, new wheel in, spindle back, nut tightened and off we go. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick Eggs Posted 3 January , 2014 Share Posted 3 January , 2014 I thought you may like see a shot of the Clyno, from one of my records, a solid well engineered V twin and at it's best,at the start of the war, and as LC has shown us the good use of it. Also I have attatched a small shot of the massively engineered kick-start quadrant is typical of the Clyno's practical and robust constuction. Crimson Rambler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 3 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 January , 2014 I know nothing about Clyno but the spare wheel on each of the combinations makes me wonder whether, like Phelon & Moore (Panther) later, the outfits had interchangeable wheels. Keith Keith, As you say, I am sure the spare wheels were fully interchangeable, with there being no time to repair punctures while in action. LF I thought you may like see a shot of the Clyno, from one of my records, a solid well engineered V twin and at it's best,at the start of the war, and as LC has shown us the good use of it. Also I have attatched a small shot of the massively engineered kick-start quadrant is typical of the Clyno's practical and robust constuction. Crimson Rambler. Excellent photo of a superb motorcycle. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 3 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 January , 2014 Another example of the Clyno motorcycle's military use, this time as an RFC motorcycle sidecar combination, which were used both for Despatch Riders and also for transporting officers. Here we see a female RFC Motorcyclist, with her Clyno motorcycle sidecar combination, also note the acetylene generator fitted to the handlebars. LF This image is reproduced strictly for non-commercial research and private study purposes as permitted under the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as amended and revised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 3 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 January , 2014 Reference the photo in the previous post # 1096, and the military abbreviation on the Clyno motorcycle, which looks to be S.D. RP RAF. The motorcyclist is wearing an RFC uniform, however, the photo is undated so it would have been taken after the formation of the RAF. S.D. may be ' Staff Duties ', and RP could be ' Regimental Police ' ( if there was such in the RAF ? ) LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANVILLE Posted 3 January , 2014 Share Posted 3 January , 2014 I hope the publishers wont mind me reproducing this part photo. This is a civilian, bomb damaged bus. What are the brackets to the fore of both front wheels, the off-side one clearly twisted in the damage? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 3 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 January , 2014 I hope the publishers wont mind me reproducing this part photo. This is a civilian, bomb damaged bus. What are the brackets to the fore of both front wheels, the off-side one clearly twisted in the damage? David David, They were known as ' Lifeguards ', and were devices fitted to the front of London buses to prevent anyone who slipped and fell, or was pushed in front of the bus, from actually being run over by the bus' heavy front wheels. At that time, London was so congested with motor vehicles, horse-drawn vehicles and pedestrians, that traffic accidents were common especially people falling under the wheels of buses, which was often fatal. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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