TomWW1 Posted 9 December , 2023 Share Posted 9 December , 2023 Just now, FROGSMILE said: No, WW1 photos aren’t all that often especially rare, I just meant it’s of good quality. Ah okay thank you i have a few high quality one like this one i have just attatched below Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 9 December , 2023 Share Posted 9 December , 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, TomWW1 said: Ah okay thank you i have a few high quality one like this one i have just attatched below He is also RNAS. A petty officer wearing class III rig (dress) for daily working duties. Edited 9 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerwalker Posted 9 December , 2023 Share Posted 9 December , 2023 A family group showing three lieutenants; two being territorials with the Gloucestershire Regiment while the officer on the left is either Royal Artillery or Royal Engineers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerwalker Posted 9 December , 2023 Share Posted 9 December , 2023 "Everybody is dead sick of this camp, as we are miles from anywhere + asleep all our spare time. I am keeping A1 myself." RAMC men at Greystoke Camp, near Penrith. Dated 24th June 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 9 December , 2023 Share Posted 9 December , 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, gunnerwalker said: "Everybody is dead sick of this camp, as we are miles from anywhere + asleep all our spare time. I am keeping A1 myself." RAMC men at Greystoke Camp, near Penrith. Dated 24th June 1914. No flirting with local girls and visiting the village pub, normally two of the big attractions of annual camp… Edited 9 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWW1 Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 Here we are another day, another postcard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnerwalker Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 14 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: No flirting with local girls and visiting the village pub, normally two of the big attractions of annual camp… There are certainly few beaming faces among them. The line “We’ve gone on holiday by mistake!” springs to mind… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 9 minutes ago, gunnerwalker said: There are certainly few beaming faces among them. The line “We’ve gone on holiday by mistake!” springs to mind… Lots of sport no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 5 hours ago, TomWW1 said: Here we are another day, another postcard! Cap ribbon - HMS COLUMBIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 Hired trawler HMS COLUMBIA sunk in action 1 May 1915. 16 Casualties and no survivors of the action. If this rating is a casualty he would be RNR. COLUMBIA, hired trawler, Adty No 200. Built 1886, 266grt, Hull-reg H.42. In service 9.14-5.15 as auxiliary patrol vessel. Sunk 1.5.15 by German TB off Thornton Ridge, Foreness. [naval history.net] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 20 minutes ago, horatio2 said: Hired trawler HMS COLUMBIA sunk in action 1 May 1915. 16 Casualties and no survivors of the action. If this rating is a casualty he would be RNR. COLUMBIA, hired trawler, Adty No 200. Built 1886, 266grt, Hull-reg H.42. In service 9.14-5.15 as auxiliary patrol vessel. Sunk 1.5.15 by German TB off Thornton Ridge, Foreness. [naval history.net] Bit more about her site now: https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?75447 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomWW1 Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 4 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: Bit more about her site now: https://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?75447 what a photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TomWW1 said: what a photo It’s a painting (artwork) representing her fate. If you open the link there’s a thumbnail photo of her if you scroll down. Edited 10 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, RNCVR said: Cap ribbon - HMS COLUMBIA Would you agree that on balance he seems more likely to be an ‘ordinary’ rather than ‘able’ seaman Bryan, as I can’t make out any rate, trade, or service badges at all? Edited 10 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 (edited) Yes, could be either as no insignia for an AB. At first viewing I thought I saw a GCB on his left sleeve but upon enlarging that Ionly see perhaps a fold or something else/a stain or something in that area where the GCB would normaly be. I would guestimate his age at ust abouot 18 or 19 just commencing his adult service, but that is just a guess. As with many other RPPC's no name so no way to trace his service. Edited 10 December , 2023 by RNCVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 2 minutes ago, RNCVR said: Yes could be either as no insignia for an AB. At first viewing I thought I saw a GCB on his left sleeve but upon enlarging that area I see perhaps a fold or something else in t Yes I couldn’t see anything either, and so thought that the lower rate seemed the more likely for someone with so little apparent service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 Been a lot of really nice Army cards on here for some time now, I got to get my act together in New Yr & post some more of my RN RPPC collection! Have not sold any of it yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RNCVR said: Been a lot of really nice Army cards on here for some time now, I got to get my act together in New Yr & post some more of my RN RPPC collection! Have not sold any of it yet! Yes please do, it’s always really good to see much underrepresented naval RPPC. I don’t think that the the men at sea had the same opportunities for photography other then when they were awaiting drafting, on home leave for some other reason, or on a run ashore. Edited 10 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 14 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: Would you agree that on balance he seems more likely to be an ‘ordinary’ rather than ‘able’ seaman If he was, indeed, an RNR rating then he would not be "able" or "irdinary" but just a "seaman", of which three were lost in COLUMBIA. He could also have been one of the three deck hands lost. No RN ratings were lost in COLUMBIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 (edited) 53 minutes ago, horatio2 said: If he was, indeed, an RNR rating then he would not be "able" or "irdinary" but just a "seaman", of which three were lost in COLUMBIA. He could also have been one of the three deck hands lost. No RN ratings were lost in COLUMBIA Thank you horatio2, I didn’t realise that about the RNR. I had been trying to read his cap tally this morning and wasn’t sure if he was Columbia or Columbella, which was an armed merchant cruiser, and which seemingly did have some RN ratings. Edited 10 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: wasn’t sure if he was Columbia or Columbella A difficult call. Perhaps @TomWW1 could post a hi-=res image of the cap? Or make a judgement from his original PC? My take on this was based on being afairly sure that the cap tally shows COLUM and a judgement that the remaining space up to the bow could not take the five lettersBELLA but could fit in BIA. COLUMBINE is also a possibility. Edited 10 December , 2023 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PRC Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 (edited) You'll have to excuse my dodgy eyesight but looks to me like there is more than one letter after "bi", so can I suggest it's possibly HMS Columbine? I sure cap ribbons can be moved round, and it may be the angle, but if it as 'Columbia' would the last letter be worn so close to what appears to be the peak of his cap? Cheers, Peter Apologies - cross posted with horatio2 Edited 10 December , 2023 by PRC Cross posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, PRC said: You'll have to excuse my dodgy eyesight but looks to me like there is more than one letter after "bi", so can I suggest it's possibly HMS Columbine? I sure cap ribbons can be moved round, and it may be the angle, but if it as 'Columbia' would the last letter be worn so close to what appears to be the peak of his cap? Cheers, Peter I think Columbine is likely given the termination of the letters immediately adjacent to the tally’s bow. See: Edited 10 December , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 11 December , 2023 Share Posted 11 December , 2023 After an overnight ponder, I am now persuaded that COLUMBINE is the most likely contender for the cap tally. One of the reasons is that I think it unlikely that an RNR-maneed trawler of the Auxiliary Patrol wouldhave boat-specific cap tallies manufactured and issued for a ship's company of only fifteen. The men would, I believe, have worn generic "RNR" or "ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE" cap tallies. COLUMBINE (based at Rosyth and, from 1917, at Port Edgar) was parent to a wide variety of ships and boats throughout WW1. Her ship's compnay would have included RN, RNR and RNVR ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 11 December , 2023 Share Posted 11 December , 2023 57 minutes ago, horatio2 said: After an overnight ponder, I am now persuaded that COLUMBINE is the most likely contender for the cap tally. One of the reasons is that I think it unlikely that an RNR-maneed trawler of the Auxiliary Patrol wouldhave boat-specific cap tallies manufactured and issued for a ship's company of only fifteen. The men would, I believe, have worn generic "RNR" or "ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE" cap tallies. COLUMBINE (based at Rosyth and, from 1917, at Port Edgar) was parent to a wide variety of ships and boats throughout WW1. Her ship's compnay would have included RN, RNR and RNVR ratings. Thank you for the confirmation horatio2, what you say about the generic RNR cap tallies is interesting and makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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