Pat Atkins Posted 21 June , 2017 Share Posted 21 June , 2017 11 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: It's easy to see why these early DRs, as well educated early motorcyclists, in many cases subsequently became interested in the RFC as aircrew. There was even a direct read across in terms of the type of clothing that was worn by both. Much later in the war a great uncle of mine served as a DR in the ASC, and then switched to pilot training; while he wouldn't have fit the earlier social template discussed here it's interesting to note a continuation of the trend into the last year of the war. Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 21 June , 2017 Share Posted 21 June , 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Pat Atkins said: Much later in the war a great uncle of mine served as a DR in the ASC, and then switched to pilot training; while he wouldn't have fit the earlier social template discussed here it's interesting to note a continuation of the trend into the last year of the war. Pat. Yes, I imagine it was to do with the similar intoxicating sense of speed, defiance of miles, and wind in the hair feeling. Edited 21 June , 2017 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 25 June , 2017 Share Posted 25 June , 2017 Would any of you deltiologists care to help with or comment on this one? Family possession, and we have reason to believe it might be a relative, F.W.G Davis, died at Harwell, Berks (Spanish flu) 21st November, 1918, 15344, Royal Berkshire Regiment (as buried and commemorated in the CWGC cemetery there), but 312577, 396th Agricultural Company, Labour Corps, at the time of his death. However, the back of the post card indicates it is a 'JEROME Ltd' one, and a few minutes on Google seems to say they began operating in the 1920's... But the uniform and cap look WW1 to me... So, anyone have any ideas or advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 25 June , 2017 Share Posted 25 June , 2017 Probably a Falerist (?) you want but the badge looks unclear to me Have you got a clearer scan of the badge? Photo looks to be copied from a group photo? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 25 June , 2017 Share Posted 25 June , 2017 (edited) Hello Julian, have you considered the following scenario: F.W.G Davis died at Harwell, Berks (Spanish flu) 21st November, 1918 and was, of course, mourned by his surviving familiy. Some time around 1920-25 a relative for some reason wanted to have a copy of the photograph posted by you. However, there were only very view vintage prints and nobody wanted to part with them. So the relative in possession of a vintage print went with it to a Jerome Photo Studio and had a repro made of the original print (as there was no negative of it available to print fresh ones off ). This way a photo prior to Nov. 1918 might bear the Jerome Ltd logo. The quality of the print (reduced grey scale, grainy structure) might support this idea. GreyC PS: Thank you for teaching me a new word: deltiologist. I only knew philocartist . Edited 25 June , 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 25 June , 2017 Share Posted 25 June , 2017 2 hours ago, charlie962 said: ... Have you got a clearer scan of the badge? Photo looks to be copied from a group photo? Well, I was hoping a postcard expert would pick up on the JEROME and give me the dates for their operations. The badge is as the badge is at it is, but could be a Berkshire one - and the portrait could indeed be copied from a group one, as... 2 hours ago, GreyC said: ... have you considered the following scenario: ... Some time around 1920-25 a relative for some reason wanted to have a copy of the photograph posted by you. ... and had a repro made of the original print ... The quality of the print (reduced grey scale, grainy structure) might support this idea. ... PS: Thank you for teaching me a new word: deltiologist. I only knew philocartist . ... which certainly seems a good possibility! I did think he had a 'fag' or pipe in his mouth, but it does look like it might have been a scratch on an older negative or on an existing photograph, so could well be a copy and cut from a group photograpg... Yes, deltiologist is a good word to know, from deltion, a writing tablet...! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 25 June , 2017 Share Posted 25 June , 2017 (edited) Hi Julian, if it is not penciled in it should be a scratch in the negative as it is dark (scratch in a negative allows light to pass through unhindered therefore blacking the lightsensitive surface). Were it to be on the positive it should be lighter/whitish. GreyC Edited 25 June , 2017 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 25 June , 2017 Share Posted 25 June , 2017 1 hour ago, GreyC said: ... if it is not penciled in it should be a scratch in the negative as it is dark .... No, not pencilled in, and so a scratch on the negative... Tends to support the idea an older image was used to make the card at a later date, if indeed the uniform is WW1 period rather than 1920's, which is when - as I googleunderstand it(!) - JEROME Ltd seem to have been making cards with that particular marking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gardenerbill Posted 26 June , 2017 Share Posted 26 June , 2017 Before reading the post of GreyC, my immediate impression too was that the face and hat had been superimposed on a different photograph, the left side of the hat looks particularly suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 26 June , 2017 Share Posted 26 June , 2017 1 hour ago, Gardenerbill said: ... my immediate impression ... the left side of the hat looks particularly suspicious. ... Very good point, thanks - I had assumed he was wearing a 1915 'Gor Blimey!' cap and we were seeing the flap on that left side. But, it is too far back for that. I think that the rest of the bust view, though, is ok. So, perhaps it is a cut-out from a group photograph with an 'oversnip' there? But - also - what about the JEROME mark - surely you deltiologists can say something from that on the date of the post card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 26 June , 2017 Share Posted 26 June , 2017 (edited) After some time looking closely I think that it is a head lifted from a group photo and superimposed over another head, trunk and arms. The original head is apparent, as elements of it extend outwards from the superimposition, which appears to 'float' in a quite obvious way. It seems clear enough that this photo manipulation process was done by JEROME after the war (and not very well at all). Edited 26 June , 2017 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 26 June , 2017 Share Posted 26 June , 2017 With a magnifying glass at hand I agree with frogsmile. I hadn´t notice it before, but Jerome´s will have still needed an internegative to sandwich the two. I mean to make out retouching marks around the face. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 27 June , 2017 Share Posted 27 June , 2017 20 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: After some time looking closely I think that it is a head lifted from a group photo and superimposed over another head, trunk and arms. The original head is apparent, as elements of it extend outwards from the superimposition, which appears to 'float' in a quite obvious way. It seems clear enough that this photo manipulation process was done by JEROME after the war (and not very well at all). 19 hours ago, GreyC said: With a magnifying glass at hand I agree with frogsmile. I hadn´t notice it before, but Jerome´s will have still needed an internegative to sandwich the two. I mean to make out retouching marks around the face. GreyC Thanks chaps! So, a probability that this is a post-WW1 'make-do' to commemorate the person in question after his death, and who, as it is a family item and the badge may be the Berkshires, could just possibly be Fred Davis, died at Harwell, Berks (Spanish flu) 21st November, 1918. The 'Death Penny' for him is in the family but nothing else apart from the usual birth, etc., certificates. Well, we have got somewhere with it, and so again, many thanks! My great nephew is, incidentally a dead ringer for this guy, and so potentially his great-great-grandson, but objectively, that does not mean as much as one would like! There you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 4 July , 2017 Share Posted 4 July , 2017 R.A.M.C. group at Lewisham Hospital featuring Pte. 21099. Richard Ralph Skillington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 Lurking behind the officers is a 4-badge Good Conduct man with Geneva badge on lower arm above chevrons. Could easily be mistaken for a QMS until June 1915. The wearing of the Geneva badge on both arms was far from universal. Here we see it so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 3 hours ago, Muerrisch said: Lurking behind the officers is a 4-badge Good Conduct man with Geneva badge on lower arm above chevrons. Could easily be mistaken for a QMS until June 1915. The wearing of the Geneva badge on both arms was far from universal. Here we see it so. Thanks for the observations. Guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 "With love from Bertha" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 " Dear Bert, home for good old chap, that's the stuff to give-um, Cyril hurry up and follow, find me if you can on other side" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 R.A. Groups. Divisional group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 ASC groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 5 July , 2017 Share Posted 5 July , 2017 Welsh Regiment band. Haverfordwest photographer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 8 July , 2017 Share Posted 8 July , 2017 32046. Pte Turner Ainsworth M.M. 27th Field Ambulance. R.A.M.C. (LG. 16/11/16). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 8 July , 2017 Share Posted 8 July , 2017 Cpl. Cedric Jenkins. 2673. Yorks Hussars. 4452. T - R.E. 482583. R.E. Harold Stark. 6th Dragoons. 15/2/1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 8 July , 2017 Share Posted 8 July , 2017 Hi, interesting stuff. Thanks for posting. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 8 July , 2017 Share Posted 8 July , 2017 Hi, 22 minutes ago, GWF1967 said: Cpl. Cedric Jenkins. 2673. Yorks Hussars. 4452. T - R.E. 482583. R.E. 482583 appears to be a 1917 TF renumber associated with the number block issued to West Riding Division Signal Company RE. On his right arm, is that a part of a white over blue signallers brassard? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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