Peter Doyle Posted 25 February , 2009 Share Posted 25 February , 2009 Peter, Yes totally happy. I am not sure about brass ones. Again as with most of my rarer badges this came from Bosley. The strike is good, a typical Great war era slider. Great, it looks like mine...I'll photograph it and see what you think. Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 25 February , 2009 Share Posted 25 February , 2009 I always think that the Pals would have had a better badge as this type is very crude in comparison to a standard Manchester badge. Quick economical manufacture I suppose. Are we not just talking about an 'economy' strike here (rather than a pals badge per se?) Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 25 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 25 February , 2009 Peter, This badge is generally attributed to the Manchester City Battalions and not an economy strike. Regards TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonz Posted 26 February , 2009 Share Posted 26 February , 2009 TT, you are correct. Contemporary pics show this solid ,all brass version being worn by the City Battalions in 1915, fully a year b4 the concept of 'economy badges' was instigated. Probably of local manufacture, and most that I've seen are indeed a little crude by comparison to the general quality of most other cap badges. There is some doubt that this badge was ever made as an 'economy' type ,possibly to save confusion with this already existing badge ? An 'economy' would also likely have had a slider instead of the widely spaced(oddly very near the outer edges) lugs, as is usual with these ? Cheers ! Steve PS: would also be interested to see your example, if I may ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulianB Posted 26 February , 2009 Share Posted 26 February , 2009 Steve seems to have it right: There was no Manch regt 1916 "economy" badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 26 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 26 February , 2009 Steve, Will post it for you. Typical, a couple of weeks ago I photoed quite a few of my badges and resized the images to post on this thread. Guess which one I did not photo. Will do it this weekend and post. Regards TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 26 February , 2009 Share Posted 26 February , 2009 This badge is generally attributed to the Manchester City Battalions and not an economy strike. Fair does, didn't know that. How many subtle other variants like that are there, I wonder... Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 26 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 26 February , 2009 Peter, That was the reason we decided to start this thread...to discuss, learn and share. I think this thread is really good and I am grateful to all who have contributed so far. I too have learnt particularly with regard to the RF badges. This is almost becoming a classic? However I would prefer for it to stay here as it is more relevant! Regards and keep posting all TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 26 February , 2009 Share Posted 26 February , 2009 Thanks - I'd like to know if there are any views on the 'Church Lads Brigade Cadets' KRRC badge illustrated by Cox as a Service Battalion KRRC badge - was this worn by them (I think its the 16th Bn, but not sure) Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 27 February , 2009 Share Posted 27 February , 2009 Peter, Read the text again carefully and you will note that the badge was not worn by the 16th Bn but was adopted by the CLB later on in tribute to the 16th Bn who had many CLB members in it. It is indeed a CLB badge but not a 16th Bn/Pals badge. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 27 February , 2009 Share Posted 27 February , 2009 Read the text again carefully and you will note that the badge was not worn by the 16th Bn but was adopted by the CLB later on in tribute to the 16th Bn who had many CLB members in it. It is indeed a CLB badge but not a 16th Bn/Pals badge. OK, so here's the text verbatim (p.194): 'There were no Territorial battalions, but the 16th Service Battalion was raised from members and ex-members of the Church Lads Brigade Cadets whose badge at 1578 was in bronze' This could be read 'carefully' in at least two different ways, viz: 1. It was worn by CLB Cadets, who then joined the KRRC to form the 16th Bn 2. It was worn by the 16th Bn KRRC, ex-members of the CLB Cadets. Which of these it is, I'm not in a position to say, which is why I posted the question. Further eluscidation required. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 28 February , 2009 Share Posted 28 February , 2009 Try for more info. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 28 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 28 February , 2009 Peter, Sorry for the delay in responding to this issue....... How happy are you with your 1/Sportsmans/RF shoulder title. Looks crudely cast to me and the detail is not sharp. Can you post image of the rear and also whats its provinance. Will post image of mine to compare and contrast. Regards TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 28 February , 2009 Share Posted 28 February , 2009 Try http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...=64226&st=0 for more info. Alan Thanks Alan - the thread was useful, particularly the link, which makes this specific comment: 'In [1917, in] recognition of the sacrifice made by the brave men of the 16th Battalion KRRC, the CLB affiliate en - masse to the King’s Royal Rifle Corps as the KRRC Cadets. An appeal is immediately launched to equip all members of the CLB with khaki uniform.' Which makes sense to me, and clarify the ambiguity of Cox's comments. Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 28 February , 2009 Share Posted 28 February , 2009 Peter, Sorry for the delay in responding to this issue....... How happy are you with your 1/Sportsmans/RF shoulder title. Looks crudely cast to me and the detail is not sharp. Can you post image of the rear and also whats its provinance. Will post image of mine to compare and contrast. Regards TT It's fine as far as I'm concerned, looks no cruder than that illustrated by Westlake - but I could be wrong, I suppose. I might give up posting at this rate....! Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 28 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 28 February , 2009 Peter, I may be wrong and it could be fine....dont give up mate!!! TT Will post mine asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 28 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 28 February , 2009 Here they are...Manchester and the Spotsmans. Actually Peter mine is not too dissimilar to yours! Regards TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 28 February , 2009 Author Share Posted 28 February , 2009 Sportsmans Shoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 1 March , 2009 Share Posted 1 March , 2009 Phew, thanks TT, had a wobble there. My Sportsman's looks identical. Now, where to find that Manchester's badge....Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 1 March , 2009 Author Share Posted 1 March , 2009 Glad your minds at rest Peter, Re Manchester badges, I think the going price is about the £50 mark. Not that scarce! Happy hunting. TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 1 March , 2009 Share Posted 1 March , 2009 Sound's great. On the hunt now. Hoping to get some more photos sorted out for new listings soon. Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 22 June , 2009 Share Posted 22 June , 2009 Thanks Alan - the thread was useful, particularly the link, which makes this specific comment: 'In [1917, in] recognition of the sacrifice made by the brave men of the 16th Battalion KRRC, the CLB affiliate en - masse to the King's Royal Rifle Corps as the KRRC Cadets. An appeal is immediately launched to equip all members of the CLB with khaki uniform.' Which makes sense to me, and clarify the ambiguity of Cox's comments. Cheers Peter Peter, Be aware too though, that the KRRC already had Cadet units affiliated that were nothing to do with the Church Lads Brigade. I think Cox's unfortunate choice of words - "as the KRRC Cadets" (my underlining) - is misleading as it suggests the CLB Cadets were the only KRRC cadet force, which is completely wrong. Several public school OTC cadet units were KRRC-affiliated and the KRRC 1st Cadet Battalion had been in existence since 1894 and from active service in South Africa had won the right to have that battle honour on its cap badge. It is still in existence. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 12 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 12 December , 2009 Just bumping this thread. I have a few new images to post of recent aquisitions. I am sure ithers have too. Nice thread for reference similar to the recent one Grumpy started on uniforms and badges. Regards TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 13 December , 2009 Author Share Posted 13 December , 2009 Mods can this be moved to badges section please? Thanks TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Doyle Posted 20 December , 2009 Share Posted 20 December , 2009 Just bumping this thread. I have a few new images to post of recent aquisitions. I am sure ithers have too. Nice thread for reference similar to the recent one Grumpy started on uniforms and badges. Regards TT Ah, I'm glad to see this back...I've got a few new ones too, since we last posted....will have to look 'em out! Cheers Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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