Casualty Lists

[brianmorris547]

On 21/08/2022 at 17:40, hazelclark said:

Thanks Brian. Sometimes I think that I have reached the end of the trail with my family’s military history and another door will open.

Because I am finally going to the Western Front next year(world events permitting) my interest has again been perked up. In reading I have always concentrated on the Ypres area and the last year of the war but now I becoming more interested in the Somme.

H

Hazel

I put Clark Seaforth as a search term into the British Newspaper Archive on FMP and found this from the Sunderland Daily Echo 05/01/1915. Your man 10260 A Clark 1st Seaforths was admitted into the Royal Infirmary Sunderland  on 31/12/1914. It is under Wounded Soldiers (although it says sick and wounded). Most are from Scottish Regiments.

Three others from 1 Seaforths are named. L/Cpl W Miller 8038, L/Cpl D McDonald 253 and Pte R McDougal 8402.

D McDonald has a hospital admission MH 106/880 adm 2 GH 26/12/1914 with frostbite to sick convoy 29/12/1914 Hospital Ship Asturias.

Perhaps Alexander was also ill and not wounded which explains why I could not find him on the OCLs

Brian

[hazelclark]

Good grief! That is amazing! Thank you. I will attempt to follow this up. I had sort  of given up on that part of his history. Now I will see if I can find which hospital he ended up in after he lost his arm on July 31st 1917. I have the Scotsman  notice of the list of wounded for 8th Bn. in which he is listed but doesn’t say which hospital.  Will also see if I can get that missing month of December 1914 from NA. He must have been demoted because he was a corporal in India  

Hazel😘

Edited 22 August , 2022 by hazelclark

[hazelclark]

1 hour ago, hazelclark said:

Good grief! That is amazing! Thank you. I will attempt to follow this up. I had sort  of given up on that part of his history. Now I will see if I can find which hospital he ended up in after he lost his arm on July 31st 1917. I have the Scotsman  notice of the list of wounded for 8th Bn. in which he is listed but doesn’t say which hospital.  Will also see if I can get that missing month of December 1914 from NA. He must have been demoted because he was a corporal in India  

Hazel😘

[hazelclark]

Just now, hazelclark said:

Looks like it was the middle of December action at Festubert. The December Diaries unfortunately really are missing. NA don’t have them.

H.

[brianmorris547]

Hazel

At the risk of going off on a tangent on this thread I can suggest reading the December WD of the Dehra Dunn Brigade WO 95/3940 (On Ancestry under Various Infantry Brigades - 7 Indian Div). There is a report by Lt Col A B Ritchie OC 1 Seaforths about the Actions from 19 December 1914. Pages 127-130.

This map is from the December 1914 WD of 7 Indian Div (WO 95/3930) showing the position of the Dehra Dun Brigade from bB (A 16 c) to cC (E 8 b). It is followed by two hand drawn detailed maps. (Ancestry p 390, 391 &392). Compare them with this present day map of the area from IGN 1:20 000 no 2405 E (Lens).

Brian

[charlie962]

This is an extract from several lists and hasn't been indexed by FMP. I can't post doc but here is the page 

"British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Image | findmypast.co.uk" https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f007397247%2f00957&parentid=gbm%2fwo363-4%2f7397247%2f42%2f944

[hazelclark]

I think that in fact I may have that. Was trolling through the diaries again last night. Will look.

Thanks for the pointer.

H.

[stiletto_33853]

H.A.22606 April 1918

[stiletto_33853]

H.B.344

[Bardess]

Oh dear. Can this image be manipulated please as I can't read the info

[dink999]

 

1 hour ago, Bardess said:

Oh dear. Can this image be manipulated please as I can't read the info

Diane, In my collection to post is a better copy of HB344. It is of particular interest to me as there are men admitted to a "Cheltenham Area VAD" details of which I have added to my database I'm compiling. Cheltenham was the administration HQ for Gloucestershire VAD hospitals and meant a man could have been admitted to any of the 8 Cheltenham Hospitals as well as the 3 in Gloucester, 2 in Tewkesbury and the one in Stow on the Wold . 

Because of basic admission lists published in local papers I do know the specific hospital these "Cheltenham Area" men were admitted to.

Dave

 

[dink999]

This list has no prefix or number bservice records of M2/018794 Pte. F W Bibbey tell us that it is H108

 

The top of this list has been cut off but it is an H prefix list dated 27 June 1915. H107 is dated 29 June 1915. It looks like H103 or H106 

 

List H135, partially transcribed on page 2, id 21

 

H690 showing amendments to lists 23066, 23068 & 23075

 

H6180

 

From the records of 15637 Nicholson we now know this is H7493

 

Edited 28 August , 2022 by dink999
List renumbered

[Bardess]

Perfect, Dave. Thank you

[brianmorris547]

I think it is on this thread that we have mentioned the void between The Times and the War Office Casualty Lists. I was trawling through The Buchan Observer (N E Scotland) and noticed this in the edition 14/08/1917. A brief report to say that the first War Office Casualty List is dated Tuesday 07/08/1917 and copies are available from HMSO 23 Forth St, Edinburgh price 3d.

[dink999]

HB103

 

HB104

 

HB111

 

HB120

 

HB160

 

HB192

 

HB214

 

HB225

 

HB233

 

HB258

[brianmorris547]

On Monday I posted part of a list of sick and wounded who had been admitted to Sunderland Royal Infirmary on 31/12/1914, taken from the Sunderland Daily Echo 05/01/1915. I have been going through this list and one of the names, 2573 Pte D Morrison of 2 Bn Black Watch, is also named on this list 21062, which is not on the latest index. He is also shown in MH 106/880 adm 2 GH 25/12/1914 Rheumatism and to England 28/12 HS Asturias.

Two other names from 2 Bn Black Watch, also on the list for Sunderland Hospital, are named on this list headed 2 Bn Black Watch. 3572 Pte G Billington (MH 106/880 - adm 2 GH 26/12/1914 hernia and to England 28/12/1914 HS Asturias and 3209 Pte J Brunton. 

[David26]

On 26/08/2022 at 09:11, dink999 said:

H74?? dated 29 March 1916. Looking at David's index it could any in the range H7400-7499

Thanks Dave,

I started noticing a while ago when you were posting all of these 'H' lists that the ones which had come from further afield (Mediterranean, Egypt, India) were often out of date sequence with the ones from France by anything between a few days to a few weeks, so I started annotating my records for these so that I wouldn't be too surprised that say H.3831 from the Med was dated 23 November 1915, whereas H.3832 from France was dated 29 November 1915.

Looking at the H.74xx lists, H.7499 from the Med is, like this one, dated 29 March 1916, so I'd suggest this one will be near the high end of the H.74xx range, though we cannot, of course, know its precise number from that.  

David.

Edited 27 August , 2022 by David26
Cropping unrelated lists

[dink999]

1 hour ago, David26 said:

Looking at the H.74xx lists, H.7499 from the Med is, like this one, dated 29 March 1916, so I'd suggest this one will be near the high end of the H.74xx range, though we cannot, of course, know its precise number from that

David,

When there is a query with a list no. I usually try and check through service/pension records for any of the men on the list in case the list no. has been recorded. I didn’t check the names on H74?? before I posted it. Just found in the records of 15637 R. Nicholson, Cheshire Regiment that it is H7493, so your theory about it being at the high end was correct.

Dave

[David26]

34 minutes ago, dink999 said:

David,

When there is a query with a list no. I usually try and check through service/pension records for any of the men on the list in case the list no. has been recorded. I didn’t check the names on H74?? before I posted it. Just found in the records of 15637 R. Nicholson, Cheshire Regiment that it is H7493, so your theory about it being at the high end was correct.

Dave

Thank you Dave - that's really helpful.

[brianmorris547]

C 1649  

Not on the latest index.

[PRC]

FindMyPast have two pages indexed as a service record for a Norfolk Regiment man, 22903, Harry Cater who died on the 24th October 1916 in India.

Both pages are actually parts of casualty lists. The first is missing the key reference numbers and dates, but judging from the content I'd hazard a guess that he was under the catergory "dangerously ill". The last man is the same otherwise unknown catergory is noted as "improving". It then moves on to the catergory "Removed from dangerously ill list".

The second page is a reply to queries regarding various individuals on various lists. Harry Caters' entry was queried in connection with List P.G. 4747 and a date of the 1st November 1916. Suspect thats' a follow on to the previous list, but possibly they could be one and the same.

Anyway, thought I'd share them in case they were of use.

Both images courtesy FindMyPast.

Cheers,
Peter

[brianmorris547]

2504 Dvr R McIntosh ASC was one of the names in the Sunderland paper 05/01/1915 as being admitted to the Royal Infirmary on 31/12/1914.

[dink999]

HB268

 

HB269

 

HB297

 

HB357

 

HB380

 

HB386

 

HB390

 

HB394

 

 HB332, a partial transcription was done on page 1 id 14

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 August , 2022 by dink999
Duplicate list removed

[Jim Strawbridge]

Thank you, dink999. Another one for me on a posting that you have entered twice. R190 Rfm. Smith, J. K.R. Rif. C.  I have the 1914/5 star named to R-190 PTE. J. SMITH. K.R. RIF. C.

[dink999]

5 hours ago, Jim Strawbridge said:

Thank you, dink999. Another one for me on a posting that you have entered twice. R190 Rfm. Smith, J. K.R. Rif. C.  I have the 1914/5 star named to R-190 PTE. J. SMITH. K.R. RIF. C.

Thanks Jim, I have removed the duplicate list HB332

Dave

Edited 28 August , 2022 by dink999