charlie962 Posted 18 February Share Posted 18 February Just now, Jane Hayward said: Yes, exactly. 1890 in Ipswich. Worth a new thread ?? Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 18 February Author Share Posted 18 February I'm not sure how much I can realistically expect to find out, Charlie? His war records don't seem to have survived and I have the medal index, silver medal and pension reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 18 February Share Posted 18 February I have seen the comments about splitting the thread but before we do, thanks to Charlie, I was able to find this Casualty List in the Ipswich Evening Star 05/09/1916. I will check the paper for mentions. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 18 February Author Share Posted 18 February My goodness, Brian, thank you. That's very moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 18 February Share Posted 18 February The Full list will be in the Times, The Ipswich paper only named those from East Anglia. I checked the Evening Star from July 1916 but no photographs of wounded. According to The Long Long Trail 90 Heavy Battery were in Gallipoli and later in France. As I said the only War Diary at the National Archives starts in 1917. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 18 February Author Share Posted 18 February Thank you! I imagine it's impossible to know the names of all the men who were killed in the hit on the gun. It was only my grandfather who survived apparently. I have found a few more similar group-shot photographs from Desford Hall but none has the soldiers' names on the back, so are of less use to people researching. Perhaps they are from later on. I won't post them unless anyone particularly wants me to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 18 February Author Share Posted 18 February Actually, I will post this one. I think it looks like a group of Belgian soldiers, but you experts will have your opinion? My grandmother Fanny Harper is the nurse on the left, and was the sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 18 February Share Posted 18 February (edited) 4 hours ago, Jane Hayward said: I'm not sure how much I can realistically expect to find out, Charlie? His war records don't seem to have survived and I have the medal index, silver medal and pension reference. Certain things can be deduced from other records. But keeping track of refs your GF on this thread is already becoming 'fiddly'. It would be distracting from the original fascinating photo to post anything here eg about 90 Heavy Battery. But it is up to you. Charlie Edited 18 February by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 18 February Author Share Posted 18 February Ok, thank you Charlie. I'll read up on what you've all given me on here as it's all new to me then start a thread when I have questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 18 February Share Posted 18 February 4 hours ago, Jane Hayward said: Thank you! I imagine it's impossible to know the names of all the men who were killed in the hit on the gun. It was only my grandfather who survived apparently. Jane It is possible but time consuming. I checked Soldiers Died Great War on Ancestry by putting 01/07/1916 and Royal Garrison Artillery in the search boxes. For most days in early July that I looked at there were more than four killed but it does not show the Unit. By doing the same exercise on The Register of Soldier's Effects the entry in the book MAY show the Battery. I am in the middle of doing something else at the moment but I will see if I can locate some from 90 Heavy Battery in the RSE. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February Jane I tried this exercise but the only person I could find in the Register Of Soldiers Effects for July and August 1916 from 90 Heavy Battery was 16638 William Gwilliam. He died on 13/07/1916 but of pneumonia. Four men from 85 Siege Battery died on 24/07/1916 with another of wounds on 25/07. At first glance this is the only thing I noticed that looked like it could have been a gun crew. I then tried FindMyPast by putting 90th Heavy in the Keywords. It came back with some Service Records and CWGC records for 1915 and 1917. The only CWGC record for 1916 was the aforementioned William Gwilliam. Without a War Diary we are struggling. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 19 February Author Share Posted 19 February (edited) Thanks so much for doing that, Brian. I really appreciate your time. I have had a bash at names in my granny's top photo with my Ancestry account with mixed success. Photo 1, front row (left to right): Frank Horton, 1670, 7th London Regiment. Thomas Walker Leith, 18296, Royal Scots Fusiliers. Harry Addy, 13186, 264135, King’s Own Yorkshire Light Infantry Labour Corps. Wilbruine??, 16675?. John McIntosh, 12553 Royal Scots Fusiliers. John William Sutcliffe 2995, Loyal North Lancashire Regiment. Charles U Willox, 15873, Royal Scots Fusiliers. xxxx Webster 4114, Naval Brigade??. George Taylor, 740795, 2934, Hariana Lancers. Charles Henry Seamarks, 17970, Northamptonshire Regiment. Drake, 2326, W Yorks????. Viccars, 1415, York & Lanc??? David Ashton, G/6347, Gs/6347, Queen’s Own Royal West Kent Regiment. 2nd row (left to right): Harry Wright, 9818, York & Lancaster Regiment. Ernest Busby, 13082, Duke of Cornwall’s LI. Clarke, 3456, London???. Thomas McDonald, 8724, 1st Battalion Notts & Derby (Sherwoods). George Albert Naylor, 2457, Yorkshire & Lancashire Regiment. Perry Townsend, AGD??? J Williamson, 1971, York & Lancaster Regiment. Flack, 3621, W Kents?? Hubbard, 4436, Leicesters?? 3rd row (left to right): Condle, 4495, York & Lanc??? Carson, 21420, HLI??? Balls, 2728, London??? Stephen Monegan, 8348, Prince of Wales’ Own West Yorkshire Regiment, Garrison Battalion. Homer or Harner, 9685, KRR??? Harry Faulkner, 16472, Worcestershire Regiment. Ross, 113700, Camerons??? Joseph Gilbert Childs, 22456, Royal Field Artillery. Ferry, 01094, RFA??? James Webster, 6815, Black Watch. Andrew Colville, 18173, Cameron Highlanders. Albert Edward Ryder, 6161, Middlesex Regiment, Shropshire Light Infantry. Henry T Knight, 3066 and 550318, London Regiment Labour Corps Back row (left to right): Noon 161???. Several indecipherable. 3042? Wallace? 10635. L Fineliers. Gardener, 1014815. Staffs??? Forbes, 1748, Yorks??? Ernest Georg Miller, 7152 and 449888, R Berks but records says LC, Essex Militea. Mitchell, 72885, GR7??? James Johnstone, 367, 17th County of London Regiment. Sydney Arthur Bailey, 13461, Suffolk Regiment. McIver, 20621, KOSB??? Dunniclife, 23072, xxx??? Dunning, 9065, R Dull??? Edited 19 February by Jane Hayward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February (edited) 1 hour ago, Jane Hayward said: have had a bash at names i Very well done. I'm keeping any further comment re your GF pending the new thread! 1 hour ago, Jane Hayward said: Drake, 2326, It's 2324 not 2326. Walter V Drake. 1 hour ago, Jane Hayward said: Viccars, 1415, He comes up as G Vickers 1415, 5th Bn York & Lancs in the Times Casualty Lists of Jan 1916. Will check further. Edit He's George Vickers 1415 later 34166. Has service record. kia 1917. Can I suggest that the corrections we feed you be incorporated by editing your post above? Reduces duplication. Charlie Edited 19 February by charlie962 Bit more detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February (edited) 1 hour ago, Jane Hayward said: Wilbruine??, 16675? I think it says Wilbourne 1475 Notts & Derby. But I've not found his mic yet. Edited 19 February by charlie962 Correcting predictive text Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February I now realise there are three different photos with probably very different dates. My earlier post about dating photos 1915 should be ignored until more work done!! ignored until Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 19 February Author Share Posted 19 February Wilbourne! The edit option has gone, it looks like. Is it possible to edit only for a short time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February (edited) Photo 1, front row ( right to left): Frank Horton, 1670, 7th London Regiment. Thomas Walker Leith, 18296, Royal Scots Fusiliers. Harry Addy, 13186, 264135, King’s Own Yorkshire Light Infantry Labour Corps. Wilbourne 1475 Notts & Derby John McIntosh, 12553 Royal Scots Fusiliers. John William Sutcliffe 2995,Loyal North Lancashire Regiment. Charles U Willox, 15873, Royal Scots. Harry Webster Z/4114, R.Naval Div. George Edward Taylor, 2934, 240795 5th York and Lancs. Charles Henry Seamarks, 17970, Northamptonshire Regiment. Walter V Drake, 2324, W Yorks. George Vickers, 1415, 34166 York & Lancs. David Ashton, G/6347, Gs/6347, Queen’s Own Royal West Kent Regiment. 2nd row (right to left): Harry Wright, 9818, York & Lancaster Regiment. Ernest Busby, 13082, Duke of Cornwall’s LI. Arthur Clarke, 3456, 20th London Thomas McDonald, 8724, 1st Battalion Notts & Derby (Sherwoods). George Albert Naylor, 2457, Yorkshire & Lancashire Regiment. Rev ? Townsend, AGD nurse J Williamson, 1971, York & Lancaster Regiment. Alfred William Flack, G or GS/ 5621, RW Kents. Hubbard, 4436, Leicesters?? 3rd row ( right to left): Robert Henry Connole, 4495, York & Lanc. Carson, 21420, HLI??? Balls, 2728, London??? Stephen Monegan, 8348, Prince of Wales’ Own West Yorkshire Regiment, Garrison Battalion. John Hamer, R9685, KRRC. Harry Faulkner, 16472, Worcestershire Regiment. Robert Ross, S/11370, Cameron Highlanders Joseph Gilbert Childs, 22456, Royal Field Artillery. George Walter Ferry, 21094, RFA. James Webster, 6815, Black Watch. Andrew Colville, 18173, Cameron Highlanders. Albert Edward Ryder, 6161, Middlesex Regiment, Shropshire Light Infantry. Henry T Knight, 3066 and 550318, London Regiment Labour Corps Back row (right to left): Noon 161???. Several indecipherable. 3042? Robert Wallace 10635 Lancs Fusiliers. John S Gardener, 10148 S Staffs, 43132 N Staffs Forbes, 1748, Yorks??? Ernest George Miller, 7152 and 449888, R Berks but records says LC, Essex Militia. George Mitchell, 7288 Scots Guards, later NF 98686 and LC 436778 James Johnstone, 367, 17th County of London Regiment. Sydney Arthur Bailey, 13461, Suffolk Regiment. George McIvor, 20621,KOSB later LC 651177. Harold Tunnicliffe, 23012, Notts & Derby. Christopher Quearney, 9065, R Dublin Fusiliers, later 20176 RAMC. Edited 23 February by charlie962 Further updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February Jane, I've copied your list for photo1 and started to edit it. As an old sweat I seem to have greater powers! A note for Regiments. Predictive text has probably slotted in R Scots Fusiliers where it should be R Scots for some men. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February Charlie I was looking for Loyal North Lancs, Lancs Fusiliers and RE. I mis read 2995 Sutcliffe (photo 1) as Lancers but he is John William Sutcliffe, Loyal North Lancs. The rolls show him as 5 Bn which means there is a good chance that he was from Bolton. He was discharged para 392 in 1916 and his SWB roll shows that he enlisted in October 1914. No mention in the Bolton Evening News. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 19 February Author Share Posted 19 February Thanks, Charlie. That's much easier to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February 8 minutes ago, Jane Hayward said: Thanks, Charlie. That's much easier to read. Problem is that I'm not best placed to maintain this as I've rarely access to other than a phone. But it gives something that someone else can copy later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February 2 hours ago, Jane Hayward said: xxxx Webster 4114, Naval Brigade?? Harry Webster Z/4114 served in the Royal Naval Division and has a surviving RND service record. He went missing 1917 with the Hood Battalion and is commemorated on the Arras Memorial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February 2 hours ago, Jane Hayward said: Perry Townsend This is Rev Townsend , which then tells us names are right to left not left to right !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane Hayward Posted 19 February Author Share Posted 19 February Right to left, wow, was thet usual? I was wondering because on a later picture a man is wearing a kilt but was in the wrong position for a Scottish regiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 February Share Posted 19 February (edited) 50 minutes ago, Jane Hayward said: Right to left, wow, was thet usual? I was wondering because on a later picture a man is wearing a kilt but was in the wrong position for a Scottish regiment. The person naming tried to put the name behind the man in the photo. Edited 19 February by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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