Michael Lowrey Posted 21 March Share Posted 21 March (edited) 6 hours ago, Glenn J said: Conflicting dates for the destruction of UB 7 and the demise of its crew. The Ehrenrangliste states 27 October. "Der Krieg in Türkischen Gewässern" gives the date of 27 September when UB 7 departed Varna on its final cruise. The Geheimer Marine-Verlustliste gives 27 September 1916 as the date of death of the crew. There's no mystery about the loss date for UB 7. It's September 27, 1916. The wreck of the small German submarine has been found in recent years 15 miles SE of Varna. The boat was lost while outbound when it got into a Bulgarian defensive minefield with the body of one of the boat’s crew, Bootsmannmaat der Reserve Johann Mohrschladt, washing up on November 12, 1916 some 30 miles northeast of Varna. Edited 21 March by Michael Lowrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 21 March Share Posted 21 March Hi Michael, Absolutely, I agree. It is just strange that the Ehrenrangliste gives the date of death for both Lütjohann and Heinke as 27 October 1916. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 21 March Author Share Posted 21 March Thank guys, Yes the different spellings for Heibey, comes from the sources, which almost always seam to muck German names, when converting from Ottoman or English. All relate to this Artillery officer as for Heiberg Capt / Hptm Deutsche Militär-Mission Türkei in Istanbul I surpose another of those who names are stuffed up? Todays Heinemann-Gründer Curt OberStabszarzt Dr Oberstabsarzt Medical 5th Army 1916-18 shown in Klaus Wolf's book Heinrich Max Capt / Hptm Commander German Staff MT Troops Sonderkommando 500 & Taurus motor vehicle troop - 500 Alman Motorlu tasit araçlari Komutani Toroslor Çamalan'da (MT Co) (500th German Motorized Vehicles Transport Unit at Commander Taurus & the Çamalan) 500th MT Co) 1916-17 (not identified) shown in Klaus Wolf's book Heintze Freiherr von Maj (LtCol) Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei - 'da Askeri Heyette ve 5. Ordu'da görevli (Military Heyde and 5th Army officer) 1916-17 (not identified)? possibly (Traugott Heintze) at Bordesholm shown WIA 10-17 Türkischer Biographischer Index awarded Ottoman Liakat Medal shown in Klaus Wolf's book Then its another Helling (Schelling) Karl Kapt-Lt Marine shown as Schelling Karl on lists check me? 1915- (KIA 28-5-15) (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Schelling Karl Kapt-Lt Marine unknown shown as Helling Karl in Klaus Wolf's Book 1914-15 (died 28-5-15) grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul nicht auf großen Gedenktafeln cause not stated? (not identified)? shown in book by Klaus Wolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 22 March Share Posted 22 March 10 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Heinemann-Gründer Curt OberStabszarzt Dr A spelling mistake (again) with this one. Kurt/Curt Heinemann-Grüder, born 5 September 1880 in Erfurt. Active Prussian medical officer. Following his studies at the Kaiser Wilhelms-Akademie from 1899 to 1903, he was promoted to Unterarzt, receiving his doctorate on 16 March 1905 and was commissioned as an Unterarzt on 15.6.05 serving with Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 176. Promoted to Oberarzt on 27.1.08 he was transferred to Kürassier-Regiment Nr 2 on 18 October 1910. He served with the Garde-Füsilier-Regiment from 18 November 1911 until promotion to Stabsarzt on transfer to Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 151 on 1 October 1912. His final peace-time assignment was on the instructional staff of the Kaiser Wilhelms-Akademie from 18 February 1913. At mobilisation assigned to the Reserve medical company of 28. Reserve-Division until appointment as consulting surgeon to the 5th Ottoman army in December 1915. From June 1916 head surgeon at the German lines of communication hospital in Smyrna. Charakter as an Oberstabsarzt a.D. on 24 May 1921. The addition of Grüder to his surname was a war or immediate post-war change as he is always shown as Heinemann pre-war. Practiced medicine in Potsdam and Berlin post-war. Served as an Oberfeldartzt (Oberstleutnant) in WW2. Died 1958 Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 22 March Share Posted 22 March 20 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Heintze Freiherr von Maj (LtCol) Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei Major der Landwehr a.D. Ernst Freiherr von Heintze-Weißenrode, born 3 July 1862 in Berlin. A career diplomat who retired from the diplomatic service in 1905. Reserve officer in the 1. Garde-Dragoner-Regiment until 1909/10 then a stint in the Garde-Landwehr-Kavallerie until leaving military service on 23 March 1911. Returned to service at mobilisation. Retired again holding the rank of a Charakterisierter Major on 19 November 1918. Died 25 April 1951 in Wiesbaden. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 22 March Share Posted 22 March 21 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Heinrich Max Capt / Hptm Commander German Staff MT Troops Hauptmann (18.2.13) Max Heinrich, born 8 March 1878. Active officer in the Prussian Kraftfahr-Bataillon. Originally commissioned into Eisenbahn-Regiment Nr. 3 (Railway Regiment) on 19.7.1897. A veteran of German South West Africa 1905-1909 and 1911-1914. Retired from the Reichswehr as a Major on 15 June 1921. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 22 March Share Posted 22 March 21 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Helling (Schelling) Karl Kapt-Lt Marine shown as Schelling Karl on lists check me? 1915- (KIA 28-5-15) (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Schelling Karl Kapt-Lt Marine Mystery!! No Schelling or Helling in the navy at that rank. A Marine-Ingenieur Hinrich Schelling served on U-Boats in the Mediterranean but survived the war. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 22 March Author Share Posted 22 March (edited) Yes both are in his book? I did find that a Schelling is shown died that date Todays Hensel Hans Maj Feldpostdirektor 3rd Army to Istanbul'da askeri heyette posta islerinden sorumlu (Responsible for military postal mails in Istanbul) Feldpost-Direktor in der Türkei 1915-18 (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Hepp (Hopp) Wilhelm OberIngenieur (Ing) Marine Ober-Ingenieur (Engineer officer) SMS Breslau (Midilli) - Mühendis Subay (Engineer Officer) to Turkish Torpedo flotilla / Türkische Torpedobootsflottille Konstantinopel to Dockyard chief in Istiniye (Stenia) - Ottoman workshop ship "Tirimuchdjan" shown "Tir-i Müjgan" (depot ship) 1915-17 (born at Elberfeld DoA 9-10-17) Tot Unfall (accident) grave in German war cemetery at Tarabya Istanbul Poln. Tschiflik shown by both names in Klaus Wolf's Book Hering Adolf Ingenieur (Ing) Marine Ingenieur (Engineer officer) Torpedo Boat Flotilla to SMS Goeben (Yavuz) 1915-17 (not identified) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Hermann Johannes Lt Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando) Ottoman Heavy Artillery to Chairman Personal Office awarded EK I 1-16 1915-16 awarded EK I 15-1-16 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book There is also this man not in wolf Hentig unknown shown MG Det "Hentig" Asia Corps - 701st Machine Gun Company ("Maschinengewehr-Kompanie 701 "Hentig"") 1917-18 (not identified)? possibly Hans von Hentig Hentig Hans von Lt deR da Genel Kurmay'da görevli (also in charge of the General Staff) 1917-18 (1887 in Berlin died 1974) from 9Co/Grenadier-Regiment No 6 shown WIA 9-15 later a German criminal psychologist emigrated to United States in 1935 wrote "The Criminal and His Victim" brother Werner The Niedermayer-Hentig Expedition to Afghanistan German Afghan Mission Edited 22 March by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March Hans Hensel, born October 19, 1877, entered service October 1899, promoted to Hauptmann der Reserve der Marineinfantrie on January 27, 1915. Military mission in Turkey from November or December 1915 to the end of the war. German decorations by early 1918 are the EK2 and Landwehrdienstauszeichnung 2nd Class. Out of service January 20, 1920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March Wilhelm Hepp, born January 7, 1881, entered the navy April 1901, promoted to Marine-Oberingenieur April 13, 1914, SMS Breslau through August 1914, then the chief engineer of the Turkish torpedo boat flotilla to November 1914, when he took over command of the Stenia dockyard in Constantinople. Died on October 9, 1917. German decorations as of August 1916 are the EK2 and Dienstauszeichnung 3rd Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March Johannes Hermann, born December 2, 1886, entered service April 1905, commissioned as a Leutnant der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie May 13, 1915. With the Sonderkommando Türkei from August/September 1915 to October 1916, then with the “Antoli. Kawak. Battr., Battr. D" to the end of the war. Out of service January 21, 1920. German decoration as of early 1918 just the EK2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March Adolf Hering, born June 2, 1887, entered the navy in October 1906, promoted to Marine-Ingenieur (very probably) August 3, 1914, and then to Marine-Oberingenieur June 10, 1916. Hering was on the on the Turkish cruisers Berk-i Satvet and Mecidiye from about September 1914 to April 1915 apparently as chief engineer (!), then on to the Turkish torpedo boats as (if I'm interpreting this correctly) as the chief engineer for a half-flotilla, then Goeben to December 1917. Hering then returns to Germany, undergoes submarine training, and finishes the war as the chief engineer on U 53. Out of naval service September 9, 1920 with Charakter as Kapitänleutnant (I). German decoration in early 1918 just the EK2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March 15 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Hentig unknown I would think Dr. jur. et rer. Pol. Werner Otto von Hentig the most likely. There is no doubt he was serving in the theatre. Born 22 May 1886 in Berlin. Career diplomat and Leutnant der Reserve (18.10.09) in Kürassier-Regiment Nr. 3. Promoted to Oberleutnant d.R. on 19.10.18. Received the Charakter of a Rittmeister a.D. on 4 April 1921. Hohenzollern House House Knight's Cross with Swords on 30 August 1917. Major d.R. in WW2. Died 8 August 1984 in Lindesnes in Norway. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 23 March Share Posted 23 March 20 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Hensel Hans Maj Feldpostdirektor Hauptmann der Reserve (27.1.15) and Ottoman Major, born 19 October 1877 in Schwerin an der Warthe of the naval infantry. With the military mission from November 1915 until the wars end. Released from service on 21 January 1920. A postal official (Postinspektor) in civilian life. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 23 March Author Share Posted 23 March (edited) Glenn, as to Hentig, possibly but I show he RTG in 1917 when and if he went back to Turkey is unclear? Hentig Werner Otto von Lt deR The Niedermayer-Hentig Expedition to Afghanistan German Afghan Mission 1915-16 Mesopotania & Persia 1914-17 (1886 at Berlin died 8-8-84) diplomatic service attaché to the German mission at Beijing 1909 from Prussian Cuirassier Regiment No 3 WIA 1914 at the Battle of the Masurian Lakes posted Legationssekretär to Istanbul and Tehran 3-15 - led the Niedermayer–Hentig Expedition Mesopotania 1915 returned to Germany via China and USA arrived Berlin 9-6-17 with Röhr awarded Ottoman War Medal later leading lawyers in Berlin and diplomat Botschafter German Consul General to San Francisco and later Bogotá 1930's post war West German ambassador to Indonesia brother Hans So that would mean he could not command an MG Group in 1918 in Palestine, thats why his brother seamed about right, but all I could find on him, was he was on Staff (Ottoman source) so a brick wall again? Todays Hermann Peter Kapt-Lt Marine CoCommander Ottoman Minelayer "Samsun" 1914-15 RTG returned Watch officer SMS Goeben (Yavuz) 1914- 1915- Souchon's Black Sea Raid 1914 - reported sunk by British submarine E2 near Erdek in the Marmara Sea 14-8-15 RTG return EK II 1915 reported averted being torpedoed 14-11-15 (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Herschel Heinrich ObLt (Capt) CoCommander to 2ic at Fort Anadolu Hamidiye (with 48 men 9-14) Yavus battery (1 – 15 cm S.K. L/45 and the 2 – 10,5 S.K. L/45) "Group Herschel". 1915-18 awarded EK II 3-15 and EK I 10-15 and Ottoman Silver Liakat 3-15 and Silver Imtiaz 10-15 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Herz Franz Dr Capt / Hptm deR Military Judge (legal) (Rechtsdienste) Kriegsgerichtsrat unknown from Infanterie-Regiment 142/Landwehr-Infanterie-Regiment 109 mentioned Militärhilfsrichter or auxiliary judicial official in the field shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Hesselberger Lt Pilot Airforce 1915-18 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book (shown in Wolf as Lt, but could be VzFeldwebel or like that?) also could be Heßelberger? Edited 23 March by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March (edited) Peter Hermann, born May 12 1884, Crew 1901, Kapitänleutnant January 23, 1913. Commander Ottoman minelayer Samsun from about September 1914 to March 1916, then briefly on Goeben before returning to Germany. A few months later he undergoes submarine commander training, takes U 58 out for a patrol and sinks two ships, then is acting commander of the II. U-boat Flotilla for the rest of the war. Out of naval service May 27, 1919 and Charakter as a Korvettenkapitän on August 30, 1919. German decorations are just the EKI. Full promotion dates are here: https://uboat.net/wwi/men/commanders/122.html Edited 24 March by Michael Lowrey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March Heinrich Herschel, born February 2, 1879, entered service October 1902, Oberleutnat der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie March 22, 1911, Kapitänleutnant der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie June 10, 1916. With the Sonderkommando Türkei from August or September 1914 to April 1918, then the commander of a heavy artillery regiment at the Dardanelles. Germany decorations by August 1916 is the EKI. Out of naval service November 19, 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March 17 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Herz Franz Dr Capt / Hptm deR Hauptmann der Reserve (27.1.15) Dr. jur. Franz Herz. Rechtsanwalt (Lawyer) in Berlin in civilian life. Born 12 March 1878. Commissioned 18.1.03 in Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 142. Promoted to Oberleutnant d.R. on 20.7.12. Charakter as Major a.D. on 24 March 1921. Died 5 March 1943 in Berlin. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 24 March Share Posted 24 March 19 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Hesselberger Lt Steve, is he not the guy we discussed here? https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/308612-germans-and-sinking-of-the-hms-ben-my-chree/#comment-3264531 Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 24 March Author Share Posted 24 March Glenn, Yes I had him, but Wolf shows only that in the Airforce, so I was still unsure if they were the same man as mentioned by Sanders? Todays Heuermann Johannes ObZahlmeister Marine Zahlmeister (Paymaster) SMS Goeben (Yavuz) and Turkish Ministry of Marine shown Flag Sakretär Stab MMD (Mittelmeer-Division) (Military Mediterranean Division) under Rebeur-Paschwitz 1918 1916-18 (not identified) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Hildemann Fritz Capt / Hptm German Pioneer Co (Freiwillige Pionierkompanie) T/OC 7-15 to 8-15 1915- (born 1889) RTG ill heath 1915 (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Hoebel Capt / Hptm 'dan itibaren Topçu subayi (Artillery officer from 1916) 1916- (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Hoensbroech Franz Lothar Antonius Wilhelm Maria Graf von und zu ObLt Toroslarda Yük hayvanlari birligi komutani (Loads of livestock in the Toros commander) - shown commander Pack animal Co 1916- possibly (1889 at Schloss Kellenberg died 1951) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Mate, as to Hentig, I did notice this man who maybe that man (but just a spelling mistake?) Heutig (Hentig) (Lt)? Maschinengewehr-Abteilung Heutig Türkei - reported MG-Abteilung Hentig (formed of the rest of MGK 601-608 or 601-608 MG Bn) formed the single MG-Abteilung (detachment) Hentig 27-10-18 1917-18 (not identified)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March Johannes Heuermann, born September 8, 1880, entered the navy April 1900, in theater from November or December 1916 to the end of the war on the Goeben, staff of the Mittelmeer-Division. Ranks: Marine-Oberzahlmeister April 27, 1912, Charakter as Marine-Stabszahlmeister August 17, 1918, promoted to substantive Marine-Stabszahlmeister April 22, 1920, continued in the Reichsmarine, died April 7, 1926. German decorations: EK2 by early 1918, EKI is listed in the 1925 Rangliste, so awarded late in the war or even after the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March 20 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Hildemann Fritz Capt / Hptm German Pioneer Co Hi Steve, these seems a good one: Leutnant Fritz Hildemann of Pionier-Bataillon Nr. 21 in Mainz. Born 18 March 1889 in Friedrichsort near Kiel. Commissioned on 22.3.10 and was attending a course in oriental languages in Berlin in 1914. Even better for our purposes is the fact that he became a Wehrmacht Generalleutnant. On 12 June 1915 assigned to the German Engineer Command in Turkey and in September 1916 attached to the chief of staff of the Ottoman 6th Army. From October 1916 to late December 1916 attached to the staff of the German military plenipotentiary in Iraq. Thereafter back to Germany and numerous further assignments. Interwar police officer and senior engineer commander in WW2. Died 15 December 1975 in Bad Boll/Göppingen. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March 21 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Hoensbroech Franz Lothar Antonius Wilhelm Maria Graf von und zu Lothar Graf von und zu Hoensbroech, born 27 March 1889 at Schloß Kellenberg, near Jülich. Entered Kürassier-Regiment Nr. 4 as a one year volunteer on 1 October 1908 and was commissioned as Leutnant der Reserve on 19.12.11. Served initially with his regiment in the field and was assigned to the replacement squadron of his regiment of 1 September 1916. Promoted to Oberleutnant der Reserve on 29.3.17, he was assigned to the military mission of 14 December 1917 and was appointed as an orderly officer on the staff of Heeregruppe F in Palestine on 23 May 1918. Returning to the replacement squadron on 28 October 1918, he was released from service on 25 November of that year. Holder of the Iron Cross 1st class and life saving medal (awarded 1916). Died 8 January 1951 at Linnich. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 25 March Share Posted 25 March 22 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Hoebel Capt / Hptm Bavarian Oberleutnant (9.7.15) Heinrich Höbel, born 30 July 1891 at Neustadt in the Palatinate. An active officer in Bavarian Fußartillerie-Regiment Nr. 2. Commissioned on 26.10.11. Fought on the Western front. Was assigned to the military mission from 3 June 1916. Back in the West in November 1916. Awarded the Ottoman war medal in September 1916. Retired as an Hauptmann. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 25 March Author Share Posted 25 March Thanks again nice work Todays Höfer (Hoefer) Alfred Kapt-Lt deR Marine Mittelmeerdivision - Istenbul'da Deniz kuvvetlerinin Kömür isleri birimi baskani (In Istanbul he Coal Works unit of the Naval Forces) - shown Head of the Coaling Office to Barrier Commander at Dardanelles to OC Naval Shore Det 2-17 1914-18 (not identified)? awarded Ottoman Silver Liakat Medal 27-12-15 and War Medal 10-15 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Hoffmeister Hans Capt / Hptm Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei RTG return Artillery officer at Canakkale 1916-17 1917-18 (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Högemann Gerhard Capt / Hptm Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei - 1915- (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Hohenberg Graf von OberStabszarzt Dr Oberstabsarzt (Surgeon) unit not stated 1915-17 (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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