Frev, Married soldiers

[tankengine888]

1 minute ago, frev said:

Thanks Zidane - I do actually have a large file of research on A.E.B. Beresford, which was attached to his profile on the defunct Discovering Anzacs website - will have to get around to attaching it to the VWMA...

Cheers, Frev

Aw, shame.

Check out this fellow, I'm in the middle of math and I think he married in England - discharged in England to be with wife.
https://vwma.org.au/explore/people/307665

[William Taylor, Lieutenant; War Records Section - formerly 1664 William Taylor 16th Battalion]

[frev]

He is new ta - but you really should be concentrating on your math

Cheers, Frev

[tankengine888]

6 minutes ago, frev said:

He is new ta - but you really should be concentrating on your math

Cheers, Frev

Nonsense. I don't need to focus on it if I know it.. Trigonometry isnt fun.

To be honest, I'm in a corner of the classroom on Ancestry.

 

Percy Adsett, 9th [later] 40th Battalion Officer. Married Florence Barltrop in June 1917

3766 Roy Bennett, married Heneretta Moore in January 1917; KILLED IN ACTION OCTOBER 1917

2340 Oliver Bridges, married Edith [Ann or Young] in February 1917

1883 Aubery Allan Britton, married Ivy Heath on Boxing Day 1917

[frev]

Thanks again - Adsett and Bridges are both new

Cheers, Frev

[stevenbecker]

Frev,

Heres' another but again no details?

WALKER    George    533    Spr    2 LH Sig Troop    HQ Mechanic to Motor Cyclist evac to (2 AGH) hosp Egypt (dysentry) 8-15 (G) to AIB 11-15 to A/Cpl admin AIF HQ London UK 6-16 to ER Sgt Central Registry 2-18 married in UK 
 

Shown RTA with wife but no names given?

S.B

[stevenbecker]

Frev,

You may this interesting I did but read the file of this soldier looking at page 30 +

This married man want to bring another girl back to Aussie to marry her

VICKERS    William Henry    548    Spr    2 LH Sig Troop    2R Tos 4-15 (in war diary) Tos 8-15 to 7Bty/3 FAB 8-15 evac to hosp Malta (strained back & piles) 8-15 to hosp Fulham UK 9-15 (G) to AIF HQ London UK 10-16 to 2/AM AFC depot UK 3-18 to clerk 5-18 to hosp (hernia) 5-18 rtn 6-18 to A/Cpl 8-18 att NCO school Chelsea 8-18 rtn 9-18 revert 12-18 to 2/AM 69 Sqn (3 Sqn) AFC 1-19 F&B to NME UK 4-19 rtn 3 Sqn AFC 7-19 (possibly 4Sqn/7 LH (VMR) 1 year to 73 IR (Victorian Rangers) 2 years to possibly 46Bty/8 FAB AFA CMF 5 years later WWII L/Sgt depot Bn (VX35814)

I did wonder want the end game was?

S.B

[frev]

On 31/05/2023 at 18:21, stevenbecker said:

Heres' another but again no details?

WALKER    George    533    Spr    2 LH Sig Troop    HQ Mechanic to Motor Cyclist evac to (2 AGH) hosp Egypt (dysentry) 8-15 (G) to AIB 11-15 to A/Cpl admin AIF HQ London UK 6-16 to ER Sgt Central Registry 2-18 married in UK 
 

Shown RTA with wife but no names given?

 

I do have him in the database Steve - but no details either.

 

On 01/06/2023 at 08:13, stevenbecker said:

Frev,

You may this interesting I did but read the file of this soldier looking at page 30 +

This married man want to bring another girl back to Aussie to marry her

VICKERS    William Henry    548    Spr    2 LH Sig Troop    2R Tos 4-15 (in war diary) Tos 8-15 to 7Bty/3 FAB 8-15 evac to hosp Malta (strained back & piles) 8-15 to hosp Fulham UK 9-15 (G) to AIF HQ London UK 10-16 to 2/AM AFC depot UK 3-18 to clerk 5-18 to hosp (hernia) 5-18 rtn 6-18 to A/Cpl 8-18 att NCO school Chelsea 8-18 rtn 9-18 revert 12-18 to 2/AM 69 Sqn (3 Sqn) AFC 1-19 F&B to NME UK 4-19 rtn 3 Sqn AFC 7-19 (possibly 4Sqn/7 LH (VMR) 1 year to 73 IR (Victorian Rangers) 2 years to possibly 46Bty/8 FAB AFA CMF 5 years later WWII L/Sgt depot Bn (VX35814)

I did wonder want the end game was?

S.B

 

So many similar cases sadly.  In this case he came home alone - his wife gave him a second chance - but not mending his ways, she finally sued for divorce in 1923.

Cheers, Frev

[tankengine888]

'ere Frev, I have a question.. 
If age isn't indexed, you don't need to check but what's the oldest fellow whose married from female to male?

Ralph Ingram MOORE MC, DCM; married Jane Canu in October 1916 at Clapton Park; Killed in Action - Oct 7th 1917 
2334A Rupert Leo Boxshall; married Norah Upham in November 1916 at Erith; Killed in Action - Sept 20th 1917

A local one off the war memorial - 1266 David Thomas Rigg Pratt; Married Elizabeth Pemberton [divorcee] in February 1918 in Middlesex

Zidane.

[stevenbecker]

Not surpisingly there were a lot of English/British widows remarrying during the war to our men

The same can be said back home, where numbers of widows remarried either during or after the war

S.B

[stevenbecker]

Mate,

Not sure when they married, but strange documents show up under his name, when his in law's arrived from Palestine in 1927

check these under this bloke

GREENBERG    Harry    530    Spr    2 LH Sig Troop    HQ Sig Sect att Hamilton's GHQ 4-15 landed with 29 Div at Cape Helles rtn 5-15 evac to (1 AGH) hosp Egypt (pyrexia - diptheria) 8-15 (G) rtn 12-15 T/att (unknown Sig course) school of Instruction Zeitoun 3-16 to L/Cpl Motor Cyclist 4-16 to T/Cpl (from williamson) 1-17 to Cpl 9-16 to hosp (setic ear - Otitis media) 8-17 to 1 LH Sig Sqn 8-17 rtn 2 LH Sig Troop 8-17 to T/Sgt (from budd) revert (from blackwell) 9-17 att (unknown Sig course) school of Instruction Zeitoun 5-18 rtn 6-18 to hosp (debility) 6-18 to Sig Trg unit 7-18 to cadet OCS school of Instruction Zeitoun 9-18 prom 2/Lt 1 LH Sig Sqn 2-1-19 to Sig Trg unit 3-19 to 2 LH Sig Sqn 3-19 to 1 LH Sig Sqn 3-19 

While he shows no marriage, its strange his in laws, called Casper from Palestine, would rock up some years after the war.

Harry seams to sponcering a number of family/freinds from Palestine over the years

Since Harry in Hebrew and they all appear to be the same he may of meet a girl during the war and married soon after, or he did n't inform the Army?

Away for your touch on this cold wet day in Brisbane.

S.B

[frev]

On 02/06/2023 at 20:54, tankengine888 said:

'ere Frev, I have a question.. 
If age isn't indexed, you don't need to check but what's the oldest fellow whose married from female to male?

Ralph Ingram MOORE MC, DCM; married Jane Canu in October 1916 at Clapton Park; Killed in Action - Oct 7th 1917 
2334A Rupert Leo Boxshall; married Norah Upham in November 1916 at Erith; Killed in Action - Sept 20th 1917

A local one off the war memorial - 1266 David Thomas Rigg Pratt; Married Elizabeth Pemberton [divorcee] in February 1918 in Middlesex

Zidane.

Thanks again Zidane - all three of these are new to the database

Afraid I'm not quite sure what you mean by your question - but if you're referring to the age difference between a soldier and his bride, I can tell you that from memory I can recall a few that were 19 or 20 years apart in age - a lot of the brides still in their teens. In the 'details section' of the database I record the birth date (or approximate birth year) of the soldier, and the age of the bride (at marriage) when known - but this is not something I can easily call up to acquire stats without scrolling through the four and half thousand entries - so, not planning on going there!

Cheers, Frev

[frev]

6 hours ago, stevenbecker said:

Mate,

Not sure when they married, but strange documents show up under his name, when his in law's arrived from Palestine in 1927

check these under this bloke

GREENBERG    Harry    530    Spr    2 LH Sig Troop    HQ Sig Sect att Hamilton's GHQ 4-15 landed with 29 Div at Cape Helles rtn 5-15 evac to (1 AGH) hosp Egypt (pyrexia - diptheria) 8-15 (G) rtn 12-15 T/att (unknown Sig course) school of Instruction Zeitoun 3-16 to L/Cpl Motor Cyclist 4-16 to T/Cpl (from williamson) 1-17 to Cpl 9-16 to hosp (setic ear - Otitis media) 8-17 to 1 LH Sig Sqn 8-17 rtn 2 LH Sig Troop 8-17 to T/Sgt (from budd) revert (from blackwell) 9-17 att (unknown Sig course) school of Instruction Zeitoun 5-18 rtn 6-18 to hosp (debility) 6-18 to Sig Trg unit 7-18 to cadet OCS school of Instruction Zeitoun 9-18 prom 2/Lt 1 LH Sig Sqn 2-1-19 to Sig Trg unit 3-19 to 2 LH Sig Sqn 3-19 to 1 LH Sig Sqn 3-19 

While he shows no marriage, its strange his in laws, called Casper from Palestine, would rock up some years after the war.

Harry seams to sponcering a number of family/freinds from Palestine over the years

Since Harry in Hebrew and they all appear to be the same he may of meet a girl during the war and married soon after, or he did n't inform the Army?

Away for your touch on this cold wet day in Brisbane.

S.B

Hi Steve

I'm afraid these Harry Greenbergs are two different people.

The Harry that you're after (service no. 530) was born in Sydney, NSW in 1891 (reg. 348, the son of David Lewis & Sarah GREENBERG).  He married Ina SUSSMAN in 1923 in Waratah, NSW, and died on the 7/2/1943 in Sydney.

For your interest, a worker with Legacy: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/130953147

 

The Harry GREENBERG that was naturalized in 1920 was born 20/3/1896 Palestine - came to WA in 1912 and had lived in WA ever since, including 1927 when he sponsored his rellies.

 

PS. Lovely sunny day here in Vic! Cheers, Frev

 

[tankengine888]

15 minutes ago, frev said:

Thanks again Zidane - all three of these are new to the database

Afraid I'm not quite sure what you mean by your question - but if you're referring to the age difference between a soldier and his bride, I can tell you that from memory I can recall a few that were 19 or 20 years apart in age - a lot of the brides still in their teens. In the 'details section' of the database I record the birth date (or approximate birth year) of the soldier, and the age of the bride (at marriage) when known - but this is not something I can easily call up to acquire stats without scrolling through the four and half thousand entries - so, not planning on going there!

Cheers, Frev

My question is the oldest person who married.. i.e a 100 year old to a 20 year old for example.. it's fine, you don't need to check, just one of those things.

I have exams.. rather, examinations tomorrow [Business Commerce and Geography].. god help me.

[stevenbecker]

Frev,

Hope you have more luck here.

Again limited details so have fun

HOLMES    Noel Arthur    5256    Spr    2 LH Sig Troop    13R Tos 2 LH Sig Troop 2-16 to hosp (mumps) 3-16 rtn 3-16 to T/Bdr/Sig 113Bty/25 FAB 3-16 to 113Bty/13 FAB 7-16 to Bdr 9-16 to Cpl 1-17 recom MM awarded DCM - for his actions repairing lines under fire at Guillemont near Flers 28-1-17 F&B to RA cadet St John's Wood UK 3-17 to SMA Reading UK 7-17 disch to British Army prom 2/Lt RFC 20-9-17 to 86 Sqn RFC 11-17 (17 Sig Troop CMF 1911-14 later WWII Flt/Lt 33 Sqn RAAF (275067)  reported in Merchent Marine as radio op on HMTS "Benalla" 1914/15 shown married Lucy in UK 27-3-18 father Capt Arthur Holmes NSW Milita & nephew to Gen W Holmes    17 Sig Troop    Electrical Engineer    age 21    Manly NSW    Enl 15-11-15    disch 25-9-17 died 1966    Nok Manly NSW
 

The date and lady is mentioned in his RAAF WWII records

He must have married in the UK as part of the RFC thats why our's does not have it?

Her name is Lucy Alexandria ? but no other details

Bon chance

S.B

[frev]

Thanks Steve - this is a new couple to the database, and a very interesting family...

He married Lucy Alexandra Beatrice TURKINGTON on the 27^th of March 1918 at St Paul’s Church of England, Greenwich, England.

Cheers, Frev

 

[stevenbecker]

Frev,

Mate found another I am unsure if we sorted him and his two wife's out?

MASON    David Allen    7647    Spr    3 LH Sig Troop    16R to Eng Trg depot (Sig Sect) Tel el Kebir 4-16 to Prn Trg Bn Parkhouse UK 8-16 to 4 ADBD Etaples 8-16 tos 4 Div Sig Co 10-16 to Sigs BHQ/52Bn 12-16 to hosp (influ) 3-17 F&B to AIF depot (2 com) Weymouth UK 7-17 to Eng Trg depot (Sig sect) Hitchin UK 8-17 RTA MU trench fever disch 9-4-18 married Margaret in UK?

S.B

 

[frev]

No Steve - nearest I can figure from the correspondence in his record - he wasn't actually married to the lady he originally noted as his wife, and later as his aunt.

He married Margaret Ursula LEVELL in the Sept Qtr of 1917 at Gloucester, England.

Cheers, Frev

[stevenbecker]

Frev,

Mate another one I am unsure if we sorted out years ago?

WATSON    George    1023    Spr    4 LH Sig Troop    HQ to 2 Div Sig Co 8-15 (G) to 2/Cpl 4-16 to Cpl 5-16 T/att 3 Sqn RFC 12-16 T/att 6 Bde HQ 10-17 MM - for his actions near Tokio at Broodseinde 4-10-17 to Aust Corps Sig Co 3-18 F&B to AIF HQ London UK 5-19 disch in UK 1-12-19 married Florance in Dorking Surry UK (Marine Society 8 months) 

Her name is Forence Beatrice ?

As there is no marrige forms in his file, only his new wife

He must have married her some time during the war, unless he was another of those who decided to aknowage her during the war?

For your interest

S.B

[stevenbecker]

Frev,

Another strange one which I am unsure if we sorted out years ago?

WOOLLEY    William Herbert    32    Pte    1 LH Bde HQ    Tos in Egypt 2-15 evac to (1 ASH) hosp Mudros (dental) 7-15 to (St andrews) hosp Malta 7-15 to (GH) hosp Gibraltar 8-15 to (King George) hosp London UK (pyorrhoea) 9-15 (G) to Cpl AID Weymouth UK 10-15 to DDMS Central Registry London UK 12-15 to T/S/Sgt 12-15 reduced to Cpl Abbey Wood UK 5-16 to S/Sgt AIF HQ London UK 7-16 to ER Wo1 2-17 disch to Dept of British Aircraft production in UK married Lilian Brooker of Croydon UK 6-16 (British 17th (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Hussars 1 year) (not on emb roll) 

Now his enlistment record shows at first, and now married on page 5, now has Wife shown as;

Kitty Woolley

 Strawberry Hill Middlesex

But on page 51 we see;

Lilian Annie Ellen Woolley

Leytonstone UK

page 52 shows;

Miss L Brooker

East Dulwich UK

Now we can see that Miss L Brooker became Mrs L. Woolley, but where does Mrs Kitty Woolley come in?

Any way have fun

S.B

[frev]

On 05/07/2023 at 18:04, stevenbecker said:

 

WATSON    George    1023    Spr    4 LH Sig Troop    HQ to 2 Div Sig Co 8-15 (G) to 2/Cpl 4-16 to Cpl 5-16 T/att 3 Sqn RFC 12-16 T/att 6 Bde HQ 10-17 MM - for his actions near Tokio at Broodseinde 4-10-17 to Aust Corps Sig Co 3-18 F&B to AIF HQ London UK 5-19 disch in UK 1-12-19 married Florance in Dorking Surry UK (Marine Society 8 months) 

 

Steve - this is actually a new one to me!  Many thanks.

He married Beatrice Florence GRANT (from Surrey) on the 24/10/1917 at the Parish Church in Hollington, Sussex (his hometown).

Cheers, Frev

[frev]

21 hours ago, stevenbecker said:

Another strange one which I am unsure if we sorted out years ago?

WOOLLEY    William Herbert    32    Pte    1 LH Bde HQ    Tos in Egypt 2-15 evac to (1 ASH) hosp Mudros (dental) 7-15 to (St andrews) hosp Malta 7-15 to (GH) hosp Gibraltar 8-15 to (King George) hosp London UK (pyorrhoea) 9-15 (G) to Cpl AID Weymouth UK 10-15 to DDMS Central Registry London UK 12-15 to T/S/Sgt 12-15 reduced to Cpl Abbey Wood UK 5-16 to S/Sgt AIF HQ London UK 7-16 to ER Wo1 2-17 disch to Dept of British Aircraft production in UK married Lilian Brooker of Croydon UK 6-16 (British 17th (Duke of Cambridge's Own) Hussars 1 year) (not on emb roll) 

Now his enlistment record shows at first, and now married on page 5, now has Wife shown as; Kitty Woolley Strawberry Hill Middlesex

But on page 51 we see; Lilian Annie Ellen Woolley Leytonstone UK

page 52 shows; Miss L Brooker East Dulwich UK

Now we can see that Miss L Brooker became Mrs L. Woolley, but where does Mrs Kitty Woolley come in?

 

Sorry Steve

Never did work this out, and still can't!  One of the many mysteries in my database...

Cheers, Frev

[stevenbecker]

Mate,

The only thing I came up was, he may have called her Kitty not Lilian when the document was amended, other wise its lost in time.

The family home at Leytonstone but the Middlesex address has me beat.

S.B

 

[tankengine888]

How about ol' George Mowat.

MM on the Hindenberg Line, he married Norma Chapman in March 1919 in Auckland, Durham. Although he was not killed in the Great War, he was killed in Kokoda in 1942.

[stevenbecker]

Frev,

Another strange one for you, again I think I gave you many years ago but still?

HARRISON    Reginald Edward    18    Dvr    3 LH Bde HQ    HQ remain Egypt to (1 AGH) hosp (rheum) 6-15 rtn 6-15 to RHQ/Comp LHR att WFF 11-15 to hosp (cardiac) 1-16 RTA invalided MU rheum disch 21-8-16 relist 8R/10 MG Co (550) to MG Trg depot Grantham UK 6-17 to MGBD Camiers 6-17 Tos 10 MG Co 6-17 to hosp (tonsilitis) 6-17 rtn 6-17 WIA 21-7-17 gas near Warneton rtn 8-17 to hosp (hernia) 8-17 rtn 10-17 to hosp (bronchits - laryngitis) 10-17 F&B to AIF depots (4 com) Hurdcott UK 3-18 RTA disch 21-6-19 married Constance Wells at Stortford Essex UK 6-6-19
 

Of cause the main problem was he RTA 9-12-18 and disch 21-6-19

So how did he marry in June 1919 in Essex?

[tankengine888]

That's right, he didnt marry in June 1919..

He married in April 1918 at Bishop Stortford, Hertfordshire

Back to school now..

Zidane.