Steve1871 Posted 13 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2021 Thank’s, seems the German’s wanted to confuse not only the enemy on unit I.D., but also historians for centuries to come🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 15 July , 2021 Share Posted 15 July , 2021 On 13/07/2021 at 22:31, Steve1871 said: Thank’s, seems the German’s wanted to confuse not only the enemy on unit I.D., but also historians for centuries to come🤪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 16 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2021 (edited) Rifle #9. 7/16/21 Kar.98az. Erfurt. 1918. Sn #. 2680. Matching. very good to almost excellent condition. Not sure what the large “B” on stock is for Edited 16 July , 2021 by Steve1871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 16 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2021 The full length photos are pixelated, simply enlarge on your computer screen and will sharpen up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 16 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2021 Hope I no over do it with number of photos, just wanted show detail, and most photos on forum here show bayonets, but not detailed on the rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 16 July , 2021 Share Posted 16 July , 2021 (edited) Looks like excellent piece of Karbine 98AZ, firstly the attached bayonets are certainly wrong on it, as it was used since 1915 only with full metall handle ersatz bayonets or bayonets with flashguard as the grips would blasted out by S98, as the flash is by short barell really heavy on muzzle. The flashguard on S84/98 was added because using on Kar98AZ. The serial number is 2680 f when i am correct, and matching major parts, same on bolts, B on buttstock is mostly for material of wood of buttstock in that case Buche, also Beech wood when i am correct. Edited 16 July , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 16 July , 2021 Share Posted 16 July , 2021 For comparison - my two - a 1908 and a 1917(w/1920 stamp also) and the bayonets I display with them: 1908 1917 Pair Bayonets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 17 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2021 Hey Chris, Great looking pair of rifles there! Can I BORROW them for a little while Pleeeeeese😁. Thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 17 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2021 Hey Andy, I know only bayonets with the added flash guards were used ( mostly) on the 98AZ, the muzzle flash was found to slowly cook/burn the wood grips, originally standard bayonets like mine pictured were issued, till the problem was found. S98. 98/05. S14. 84/98. And even a small number of 98/02 had flash guards added, so were used with the 98AZ The 98AZ was still used by “ other” troops, but still found themselves on the main front from time to time, as all units that could be mustered for major offensives I was not trying to argue with my bayonet. I was in a rush to see how much / many guns, bayonets and other I could get done. I simply grabbed a bayonet. I on a rare load going home (had to fly last time, ). Will do more photo’s with flash guards. Glad you like steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 17 July , 2021 Share Posted 17 July , 2021 (edited) Nice Carbines by Chris, one already a Reichswehr era using, bayonets S84/98nA are proper one. The early one is nutwood certainly. I understand Steve that You presented the best bayonet on it, this was only for correction, anyway in 1918 i dont believe they would used a S98 on Kar98AZ, personally for short rifle was used short bayonet, S98 was preffered with long rifle Gew.98 Secondly there is exact bayonets destined for Kar98AZ this short rifle was destined for Cavalry, Foot Artillery and Technician units in 1908. There are exact manuals in Ruediger what should be used. Emperor Order of 28.11.1914 is change of older non fireguard equiped bayonets with a proper ones metall handle pieces or flashguarded S84/98nA by units that used Kar98AZ. In war period were in majority used shorter rifles with short bayonets, easy explanation as S98 was stopped to production already in september 1914 as not usable in trenches. Offcoarse there exist exception that some service was equiped with Kar98AZ and got what was avialable, anyway the S98 bayonets should be equiped with flashguards in 1915,where is similar order as by S84/98nA. The Short rifle should be remains short so has not logical reason got a long 52cm bayonet, which the complet carbine-bayonet made too long, so the period pictures are occasionally with this completation are mainly photo sessions or second line service duty and guard units. Edited 17 July , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 23 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 23 July , 2021 Last weekend, got to get to my storage units, where my safes/collection is. 6th time in just over 2 years. I was in big hurry to oil, sort and photograph as much as could. Hallway too dark for many marking pic’s so go outside. A big problem there is using camera phone the screen fades half way out or more. I can take 10 pics of a single marking and sometimes ALL are out focus/trash I been collecting 30 years now and the GWF is the first ( only so far) place I have tried to display my collection. only had 3 days this time. Took just over 1200 pic’s in 3 days, threw out 300 already. My next rifle,Gew98 was in rush to get “ other” markings, I forgot to do the serial number. It is matching I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 24 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2021 (edited) Rifle # 10. 7/23/21 Gew.98 Unit 10.P.4.219. 10th Pioneer Battalion, 4th Company. Weapon 219 Maker. D.W.M. Berlin. 1899. First year production Edited 24 July , 2021 by Steve1871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 (edited) Looks like a nice early Gew.98 rifle made by DWM, correct deciphered unit. The rifle probably went through Revision Commision possible by recalibering to the Spitz round, when the sights were upgraded for new 1905 round. is the bolt serialed to the rifle? Looks excellent with the S98/05nAS. I personally would add any of Your excellent S98 long bayonets to it. http://genwiki.genealogy.net/PB_10 The last one photo with scarce Werder S69/98 conversion has a austrian Werndl hook so the scabbard is mixed there. Edited 24 July , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 24 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2021 Hay Andy, You commented earlier on that scabbard, it great that a frog must have been on it for very long time, as it protected the original green paint, a fair amount at least , to see what color it was originally. I believe, however it happened, the scabbards were paired to these very rare conversions. I took care to take many photos of this 69/98, itself and mounted / close up, for a post after I get in a fair amount of these S.71 bayonets I working on , the other post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 24 July , 2021 Share Posted 24 July , 2021 Steve this is possible, but very emergency done as the bavarians had enough Werder 69 bayonets avialable and only minor Werndls, Werndl M1873 is minimum 1-1,5cm longer blade as is Werder. Question what frog was used there, but there are various possibilities real, when green/grey paint it could be too austrian used. The rifle mostly started life by Guard unit as so early made, the 10Pionier Battalion was mostly changed post recalibering to new Spitz round, possible done post 1905, so the best choice on it would be the S98/05aAS bayonet probably. When You look at the unit disc in butt it could be replaced or reserialed by removing of surface from the disc. Screwdriver spure on side of the disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 24 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 24 July , 2021 Glad you like it. Take care, got to go bed now, lot of mileage to cover tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2021 (edited) Rifle #11. 7/30/21 Remmington Mle 1907-15 Very good to exelent condition with sling, have bayonet/scab/frog somewhere. I read and watched on line that France received these rifles but they failed some strength test. Not sure. Do not know if they were issued to reserve or what. Only thing on this rifle is a lot of dried grease on bolt and bolt parts. So nice, could be unfired. Also have Mle 16 ( next rifle) Edited 31 July , 2021 by Steve1871 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 30 July , 2021 Share Posted 30 July , 2021 Most of my Berthiers (carbine and rifles) CAN BE SEEN IN THIS THREAD Very nice Remington Steve! mine is complete but a bit more battered than yours. Do you have a Remington made bayonet for it? It took me ages to find one! Here's how one M1892 carbine is displayed Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2021 Yes Chris, have a remmington bayonet, exelent if I remember. If you keep showing “ family” pic’s of your collection I do not know weather to cry or just be jealous. You have a nice collection. Only carbine I have is that Turkish “ Forrestry carbine, and no Lebel. Great uniform rig there. If you could, another group pic with the bayonets fixed for me to drool over Pleeeeese😊. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 30 July , 2021 Share Posted 30 July , 2021 Steve i am not expert in french rifles , i see there two rifles one untouched Remington and other of Saint Etienne production both M07-15 configuration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2021 Yes Chris, have a remmington bayonet, exelent if I remember. If you keep showing “ family” pic’s of your collection I do not know weather to cry or just be jealous. You have a nice collection. Only carbine I have is that Turkish “ Forrestry carbine, and no Lebel. Great uniform rig there. If you could, another group pic with the bayonets fixed for me to drool over Pleeeeese😊. Thanks Thanks Andy, that was one pic, delete it. Did not know I have 2 1907-15’s. I do not k ow what I have I guess. I have a few rifles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2021 Rifle #12 8/6/21 Berthier Mle M.16. Maker. St. Etienne. Sn. E 6026. Above that there is a #55. And space then a faded 2?? Maybe the M.16’s were upgraded and remarked. I really do not know much on French rifles, sorry. Stock has it’s share of nicks, scratches, living through the trenches, not bad. One thing odd to me, as many of you know from British rifles/carbines, a brass pin or two would be used on hand guards to secure the clips underneath to clamp on to barrel. On this rifle, there are 2 , larger Wooden ones . Was this common on these rifles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 6 August , 2021 Author Share Posted 6 August , 2021 Both Rifles together. Do not know if rear band is on backwards or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 6 August , 2021 Share Posted 6 August , 2021 Looks like a nice french rifles, normally it should be serialed barell, bolt, magazine body and buttstock with one serial number, the M16 could be refurbished from older M07/15 rifle or already made so as new one post 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 7 August , 2021 Share Posted 7 August , 2021 On 05/08/2021 at 23:03, Steve1871 said: Both Rifles together. Do not know if rear band is on backwards or not. I believe the band on the M1916 is reversed. I think it is intended to be on the opposite side to the bolt handle so that the rifle can lie flat (ie the bolt handle projects away from the carrier's body rather than digging into it) Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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