Steve1871 Posted 11 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 11 July , 2021 Just thought odd to have lower case i instead of a capital letter, that was all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 11 July , 2021 Share Posted 11 July , 2021 Understand You but as You have a large collection of rifles, compare the serialing with Gew.88 or Gew.98 and You will see what is there for serial letter ranges, some producers probably preffered by other models upper case letters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 11 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 11 July , 2021 Thanks, still a nice rifle/karbine, really like the first year production! Hope you are having a great weekend, I driving as always. Have a beer or two for me😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 11 July , 2021 Share Posted 11 July , 2021 Thanks,i have already two pilsen by watching football of finale european combat between England and italy. Offcoarse excellent carbine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve1871 Posted 11 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 11 July , 2021 That is great. You match my first year production! That original sling? I heard the Kar.88 had it’s own sling, but I would not recognize it if someone handed me one🥺 Unit marked? Again, post it, share with the forum, more and a little brighter photos would be great. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 11 July , 2021 Share Posted 11 July , 2021 The sling was on the Kar when I bought it - it appears to match those shown in illustrations but is unmarked and I have insufficient knowledge to know whether it is original. No unit marks on the Carbine. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 12 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2021 Still nice to have an 88 carbine in any collection, thanks for sharing, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 12 July , 2021 Share Posted 12 July , 2021 (edited) As You could see there is on Chris piece too lower case c range, i believe on lower ring is some stamping? possible remains of units? any detailed photo of that area? Edited 12 July , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 July , 2021 Share Posted 12 July , 2021 7 hours ago, AndyBsk said: i believe on lower ring is some stamping? possible remains of units? any detailed photo of that area? Actually - now you mention it I just checked my notes and you are correct there is a mark there, I had mis-remembered -- I will photograph it later today. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 July , 2021 Share Posted 12 July , 2021 The markings are a little worn but appear to be E.PT. XIV. 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 12 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 12 July , 2021 E.P.T., you got me stumped T is usually train/Bahn. I think, or Telegraph, and P usually Pioneer but that letter combo. Prehaps Andy or Julian will know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 12 July , 2021 Share Posted 12 July , 2021 (edited) I personally dont believe there is T in unit? as it would be higher letter as the others are, possible there is E.P? XIV - it could be Ersatz Pioneer Battalion ? of XIV Army Korps , weapon nr. 10 as real. Should be looked to 14.Army corps disposal units of war period. In front of E letter could be digit? or there is a crown letter proof of the ring. Question is too is the second letter P or other unfortunally not fully visible? Question are too the standarts of unit marking in Baden XIV army corps which could be little different as prussian parts? Edited 12 July , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 July , 2021 Share Posted 12 July , 2021 (edited) Given the weapon type I wondered if it might be Ersatz - Pferde (I have seen E. P. Depot) and the only T that seems to make sense is Train ? I will rephotograph in better lighting and use a proper camera. Chris Edited 12 July , 2021 by 4thGordons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 July , 2021 Share Posted 12 July , 2021 I believe we did discuss this some time ago when I first got the Kar: SEE HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 12 July , 2021 Share Posted 12 July , 2021 EPD could be real,Eisenbahn i dont know,question is where was used Kar.88? by cavalry,so there should be answer about the unit.same as fix is Baden 14.Army corps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 12 July , 2021 Share Posted 12 July , 2021 (edited) Not sure it helps much There is a crown inspection just to the left of the unit marking. The band is also numbered on the other side with the last three digits of the serial Here is the middle letter with less glare - my best guess is a T . If it is a D then the complete front is missing Edited 12 July , 2021 by 4thGordons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 13 July , 2021 Share Posted 13 July , 2021 By T there would be dot nearer as here, thanks for the additional pictures, i would tend to E.P.D. XIV army corps, Julian has the M1909 manual, so the Pferde Depot? teoreticall could be real, as it has connection with cavalry or mounted units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 13 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2021 Hey Chris, what does PFERDE. Mean? Never heard of that word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 July , 2021 Share Posted 13 July , 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, 4thGordons said: The markings are a little worn but appear to be E.PT. XIV. 10. Hmmmm! Well, the XIV is an Armee Korps, no problem there - basically all Baden units, I believe. BUT, as far as I can see, it never had its own Eisenbahn unit... So, IF an 'E', then Ersatz would be my guess, and so Ersatz Proviant Train, and so no Company number. It did cross my mind it could be an 'F' not an 'E', which would give us Fuhrpark-Kolonne Proviant Train. I should add - this is 1891, right? So I was working from the 1877 regulations for Ersatz Proviant Train. But the 1909 regulations would give the same, and both 1877 and 1909 would give Fuhrpark-Kolonne Proviant Train. Julian Edited 13 July , 2021 by trajan Add_ detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 13 July , 2021 Share Posted 13 July , 2021 1 hour ago, Steve1871 said: Hey Chris, what does PFERDE. Mean? Never heard of that word Horse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 13 July , 2021 Share Posted 13 July , 2021 (edited) Yes Horses as plural, Pferd is Horse in german. Possible it was part of Train unit, or larger units that was under Army Corps, anyway there are only small cavalry units by Baden. I personally dont see there a T letter so hard to say. As no visible stacking rod i assume its Kar.88. When looking where are the dots between letters it looks like E. is clear there, the next 2 letters are more problematic, could be PD or something else. Clear is too the XIV army korp unit, same as this unit was small by 10 numbering. No companies. EPD would be real, same as some train units parts? The manual of 1897 would be the best choice, but this is Baden dont forget. Edited 13 July , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 13 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2021 Hey Julian, both you and Andy agree Chris Kar.88 unit marked for Baden state, What would denote Baden and not Prussian or other?? Learning here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 13 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2021 Is it that the XIV Army Korps was Baden Army Korps had a “Home” City or state , but in Great War were of coarse mobile, becoming the front lines and fighting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyBsk Posted 13 July , 2021 Share Posted 13 July , 2021 (edited) The Army was mainly from Baden, so they got soldiers from same area, even they fighted in war on different places and cooperate with other units, the disposition was Karlsruhe the capitol city of Baden, like mentioned Julian in manual 1897 is there the combination of PD declared as Pferde Depot, also Horses Depot,normall it should be marked with the proper Train battalion in instruction as sample with 6 Train - 6.Train Battalion, Pferdedepot, Waffe Nr.10. ....6.T.P.D.10 In this case is the unit most real Ersatz unit of larger unit of - XIV Army corps. There are possible other unit variants explanations as Proviant Depot which should be Supply Depot but this was mainly used with C as Colonne. In case of wartime unit, there could be other variation, anyway similar small units on army level are not extra mentioned in internet links, so this would be really problematic to find traces of.Maybe in archives or good literature about 14.Army korps. Edited 13 July , 2021 by AndyBsk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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