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Hey Do. , your 88/98 has C.J.E.R.

(. ?  ) . Jaeger Ersatz Infantry Regiment

 

What did you get for the (C) ?

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Questionable marking, it could be GJER and the J could be for Infantry not for Jaeger, secondly there are not any Ersatz Jaeger Regiments, only Reserve battalions,and normal Jaeger Regiments in WW1 listed in wiki.by war units are designation much harder as the name could be changed in time.

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No one can figure what the C.J.4.46 unit is. I do not know what the C stands for?

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Bayonet #14

1/15/21 Friday

 

S.71HF.  Hirschfanger

Alex Coppel, Solingen   1875. (75)

W.D.  561.           WerF  Danzig

 No scabbard, Pressed leather grips in good shape. The steel has med. patina but still good, blade very good, no sharpening. The markings are all nice and crisp. Stamping son pommel are very good and slightly bigger than average. Usually very small. Another Naval piece. As I have said before. The S.71 HF was used by the Navy during great war

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Werft Danzig when not roman serials in front.

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I.K., I forgot to put the “T” in Werft Danzig

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Hey AndyB

 

Yes, I see what looks like an “I”, all but scrubbed out.for what you think may be I.W.D.

 But even though the “W” is the deepest strike, both the W and D are nice clear strikes, it makes no sense to stamp I.W.D.  At same time leaving one letter so ghostly faint. The I  (Roman I for #1) must have been from an earlier unit and W.D. For Werft Danzig is correct

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16 hours ago, Steve1871 said:

No one can figure what the C.J.4.46 unit is. I do not know what the C stands for?

 

This is a bit of a puzzle... The 1877 regulations provide 'Cavallerie, Colonne, Coblenz' for a single 'C', none of which seem to fit this one. E.g., if Colonne, part of the 'Train', there should be some qualifying letter before it to indicate what part of the 'Train' it was, e.g., for munitions, or whatever. My best guess, a weak one, is that somebody mistakely stamped 'C' instead of a 'G' and then tried to correct it to a 'G' by adding a comma-like 'tail'...

  

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Sometimes is hard to deciphere similar units, it could wrong stamped die of number 6, or letter G for Garde?, letter C for unknown reason the lower part of C was twice stamped as not a dot behind the C, evidetnly there was something other stamped on crossguard too in previous. Teoretically could be C for Corps real but is not declared what for number of higher unit.

To WD for Danzig wrote Ruediger as smaller possibility as WD could means a I.Werft Division wout exact marking, the II.WD should be so numbered, the 561 is probably really high for Danzig.

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Bayonet #15

1/22/21 Friday

 

S.71 HF.            No unit buy my best condition 

Hirschfanger, with scabbard and frog by Gerber,? Simpson. Suhl. 
As mentioned before. A regular S71mS HF has 5 pins to hold grips. The pressed leather grips are nice and crisp. Except for maker/ Recasso marking, other stamping are clear, my camera was a bit off in a couple of pics. But trying. Both scabbard and frog in great shape, seam jntact

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Nice one Gebr.Simson  marked - Gebrueder means Brothers Simsons.

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Thanks AndyB

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Also, as you can see, even without a unit on cross guard, it has the military acceptance stamps so official Prussian piece, not private purchase

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yes You are right, bayonet could be used by man wout rifle, or it was reserve piece stored in depot for long time. There already finger prints on right blade and partly on pommel near lockspring. Should be oiled and gently wished out.

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On 10/01/2021 at 23:54, AndyBsk said:

Questionable marking, it could be GJER and the J could be for Infantry not for Jaeger, secondly there are not any Ersatz Jaeger Regiments, only Reserve battalions,and normal Jaeger Regiments in WW1 listed in wiki.by war units are designation much harder as the name could be changed in time.

 

The most likely interpretation of G.J.E.R.231 would be Garde-Jäger Bataillon, Ersatz-Radfahrer-Kompanie, Waffe Nr. 231. The Imperial German Regimental Marking by Jeff Noll lists a Radfahrer Gewehr 98 with an identical marking on page 113.

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On 24/01/2021 at 23:19, motojosh said:

 

The most likely interpretation of G.J.E.R.231 would be Garde-Jäger Bataillon, Ersatz-Radfahrer-Kompanie, Waffe Nr. 231. The Imperial German Regimental Marking by Jeff Noll lists a Radfahrer Gewehr 98 with an identical marking on page 113.

 

I have the greatest respect for Jeff, but what he publishes is sometimes his interpretation of a marking. I think that is the case with the example you quote that he publishes. While there are some ad-hoc markings around, this type of 'R' was used exclusively for Regiment and Rekruten Depot, although Bavaria did at some point use it for Regensburg. 

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I am personally same opinion with explanation of C? GJER 231 unit, dont believe is Radfahrer Kompanie, similar unit probably never went over 100 in personal ammount so 231 is too high. by war units are this designation always tricky.

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Some of you guys have a real passion For the German Regimental markings, add some variations and other war time “ Letter” combinations to tease you guys make this more fun. !!


On my other bayonet #13,  the C.J,  Trajan came up with the best guess so far. An Armorer in field used wrong letter punch and try change it? The J being Jager or Infantry, but C.J. Stumped everyone 

 

Another is Landstrum.  I thought only as Lst, but Demitrios,  / ZULUWAR2006 show on his collection Ldst and Ls,  I would have never known.  
 

then you have unit/ regimental stamps, most seem to have been in Bavarian units where a single letter stood for a City. 


For me, the best answers I have read on the forum here are the Unit spelled out to type, with that extra touch telling a little background, like unit ——— of Prinz so and so, or The like of ( this) city, spent most war in Somme area . Reading your debates to answer the mystery is a real pleasure . Thank you guys

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There should be some new books not only Noll in that area of unit stamping, i assume they are mainly based on archive documents.

Abrecht Wacker, Joachim Goertz : Handbuch Deutscher Waffenstempel am Militaer und Dienstwaffen 1871-2000, should be about 70€, but very good, i dont have it.

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S.65/71 HF.  Hirschfanger      G.S. 3. 119

1/29/21

 69 for. 1869

 

Well worn grips, one grip worn mostly smooth to tack on a pendant. Most German bayonet books show photos on at least one bayonet like that. A 98/05 or 71/84.  84/98. The other grip , still with wear, still has some checkering left. Scarce to have an original scabbard. No shrinkage.

Blade is very good with no sharpening or rust

. maker is  SIMSON  LUCK.  SUHL.  I had not heard of this maker before. May be rare maker, not sure

 

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Maker could be Simson and Luck, Suhl, mostly precedessor of Gebr.Simson Suhl.

Unit is mostly Garde Schuetzen Battalion, 3.company weapon nr.113. Grips could be later replacements when i look at rivet heads, same as the W.II.Rex was added later when was reign of Wilhelm II.

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Hello.

Steve, Very nice and rare bayonets, company information 

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Bert.F

 Thank you Bert, nice help there. That section say just 2 S71 Hirschfangers found with SIMSON LUCK, makes mine that more scarce. Do you collect bayonets or guns, helmets or other stuff. Been bitten by the collector bug and hooked? Just curious

 

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Hello, Steve

 I am interested in the German bayonets and bayonet makers.

Iam very sorry i only speak little English

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Bert.F

 

Thanks for the pic there Bert. Nice Grouping there.  S.65/71 Hirschfanger, to a Jager Company, 2 Ks.98. Think original Great War or earlier colonies issue. ( Think 1915) changed to wood grips with 2 screws. Weimar leather grips were dress or issue, mostly finance office issue in exelent shape, think 98/05, 

 

It would be interesting to see a post of bayonets from your collection 😊

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