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Hi Steve, 

 

Nice looking piece! Note however that an 'Arabic'  regular Latin 'R.R.' with a single number after it is a 1909 or later marking for a bayonet issued to a Rekruten Depot for a regiment. They had no companies.

 

Julian

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Correction of Arabic to Latin - brain not functioning properly as not enough tea yet...
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How do you read the unit then Julian??

You FFs ar better than I will ever be🤕

Your far better than I will ever be on markings, hate this spell check thing, screwing up my words

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148 Regiment  Recruting Depot no. 434,

looking again, looks like 434, not 134 at first.

sounds like a high number?

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Is certainly like Julian mentioned a Rekruten Depot of 148 Infantry Regiment, there is no companies, but number 434 could be real when preparing soldiers for front. In link there are mentioned in WW1 two Rekruten depots, possible they were divided from large one.

http://genwiki.genealogy.net/IR_148

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Yes, 434. Interestingly enough the only 148 Regiment issued S.98 Carter lists is also to its Rekruten depot - serialled '148.R.R.390', so not far from yours, on a Haenel made example dated W/05. 

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Bayonet #6

 

S.98aAmS ( saw back) MATCHING 


1902

58.R.9.143

For the 58th Regiment, 9th Company. 143 weapon

Prussian. first model with single piece grip. Pioneer , or saw back. Made simply as said, a saw for a duel use bayonet, cutting, clearing brush for artillery or machine gun nest and such. Everyone agrees that not about 6 percent of saw back’s were issued to units. Weather the bayonet was  S.98.  71/84. S98/05

 

I wish this piece was in better condition, but not too bad. The cross guard and pommel are dark patina, one grip with small crack ( by screw of coarse). The pommel has only ONE Fraktur instead of Two. I not sure if that means anything.  Spine, part worn has the crown. Stamp and 02 for 1902. The teeth on the sawback are in as unused condition. I really need to clean this piece some day. The scabbard is bent up some, but no shrinkage. Blade fits perfect, and stitching intact

 

First pattern (aA) and saw backs are somewhat scarce, but with internet, can be found fairly easy. To have Both of these in one bayonet, matching makes a great collector piece, even if not GREAT condition 

 

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You sure know how to make me jealous, don't you...:wacko: And safe travelling if you are out east!:thumbsup:

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Certainly one of the best here, a sawback S98aA is always good even here in matching numbers. the previous pieces majority got replacement scabbars in start of WW1. After 118 years very good leather on scabbard. Blade should be gently cleaned from dust and old vaseline and light oiling would help there.

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Hey Andy, it seems most pommels have 2 Frakturs marked. This one with only one. Is that odd or uncommon. Just going by bayonets in my collection 

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I would see there not major problem,from blade area it looks like for long time the overall finnish was cleaned,not good visible W or 02,and the surface was rusted in next time repeatedly,same as unit stamp is weakly visible on rust surface.it could be there was a light second proof and was cleaned off,or was forgott to stamp,i would compare screws,blade and pommel and mouthpiece inspector stamp,all should be same.

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Hey guys, Hope you not getting tired of these  S.98 types, I do have other type bayonets,I just decided to group them together 10 at a time for type.  S.98.    71/84.  Other’s

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Bayonet #7

 

S98aA.             40.R.10.28 

For the 40th Infantry Regiment,10th Company, weapon 28. And MATCHING scabbard. 
The steel pommel is med/ dark patina and the cross guard share the same med. time patina. The blade is exelent, no patina or rust

The scabbard has one shallow surface crack in leather, but not through leather, body strait and stitching intact

maker is C.G. Harness.   I checked but the spine photo was a blur, using daylight, it hard to see screen with sun. Sorry. I believe this is a 1901 bayonet. Hope you like

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Darn spell check, keep changing my words, 

Maker is C.G. Haenel 

 

Also, the grip grooves , ribs still in very good shape, no wear to them

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42 minutes ago, Steve1871 said:

Bayonet #7

 

S98aA.             40.R.10.28 

For the 40th Infantry Regiment,10th Company, weapon 28. And MATCHING scabbard. 

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Certainly a nice one! But the script letter 'R' is in the 1909 regulations as for the Reserve Regiment. A Baden unit, called up for service on 2nd August 1914.

 

Julian

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Bayonet #8.       166.R.11.240.  For 166th Infantry Regiment, 11th Company, 240 weapon number, hope this is right, I am not sure if regiments had more than 10 company’s 

 

S.98nA,            Second pattern with 2 piece grips,  has Steel scabbard. Having the ORIGINAL leather body/ steel fittings MATCHING Scabbard is always the best, but there are, it seems,far less Steel scabbards, and the steel ones are the higher priced for demand. Luckily, with patience, any collector can acquire both for their collections. I sure that I am not the only one around here. 
As I have said before, From my observations, there are 3 basic types of Steel scabbards plus a few variations. The most common one I have seen is the thin one. This broader one can hold the standard, or the broader Saw back version, simply by swapping out the mouth/throat piece, paint has flaking but still a nice piece ( scabbard)

    The Bayonet is made by Alex Coppel in Solingen in 1903 for Prussia. Blade being in Very good shape. The grips are pretty dark with ribs over half worn, Frakturs still present on grip screws, overall, not too bad a piece. The steel scabbard adding a lot to the value

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It has that lovely 'Been there, seen it, and survived' look to it! A nice one Steve!

 

IF IRC, w/o checking, at the start of WW1, each regiment had 3 battalions, and each battalion had 4 companies, and so 12 altogether. This was changed at some later date, can't recall when though!

 

Oh, and wherever you are mate, drive carefully, and I hope you had a Christmas break and get a New Year break also!

 

Julian 

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Nice piece, untypical small maker designation. Julian is correct, they were added  nr.13, 14 kompanies, some MG some Minenwerfer units. Some units got 4 companies per Battalion. It depends on type of unit.

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Bayonet #9

 

S.98nA.            Several photo’s did not come out, using camera phone, could not see screen clearly, do not know if unit marked 

W.K. &  C.  Solingen. 
1906. Prussian

The main, interesting thing is that the ( non matching) scabbard is NAVAL marked, I think 

“The Prussian “. Or “ Trajan” posted a short list of naval codes/ markings before, but I could not find them. The blade is nice, the grips , semi dark have nice shape, screws have the Fraktur’s. Leather body in pretty good shape.  Still a nice piece for the collection. Hope you guys like

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Interesting piece, i assume bayonet is missmatch with scabbard, yes the scabbard even on strange location is navy marked. 

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Off-hand, that's for the Danzig shipyard! 

 

Julian

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On 17/12/2020 at 22:27, Steve1871 said:

Bayonet #6

 

S.98aAmS ( saw back) MATCHING 


1902

58.R.9.143

For the 58th Regiment, 9th Company. 143 weapon

Prussian. first model with single piece grip. Pioneer , or saw back. Made simply as said, a saw for a duel use bayonet, cutting, clearing brush for artillery or machine gun nest and such. Everyone agrees that not about 6 percent of saw back’s were issued to units. Weather the bayonet was  S.98.  71/84. S98/05

 

I wish this piece was in better condition, but not too bad. The cross guard and pommel are dark patina, one grip with small crack ( by screw of coarse). The pommel has only ONE Fraktur instead of Two. I not sure if that means anything.  Spine, part worn has the crown. Stamp and 02 for 1902. The teeth on the sawback are in as unused condition. I really need to clean this piece some day. The scabbard is bent up some, but no shrinkage. Blade fits perfect, and stitching intact

 

First pattern (aA) and saw backs are somewhat scarce, but with internet, can be found fairly easy. To have Both of these in one bayonet, matching makes a great collector piece, even if not GREAT condition 

 

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That is an excellent one!!!! 

S 98 1st model with sawback!!! 

The more rare on this field bayonet. 

Excellent!!! 

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Bayonet # 10

S.98nAmS.             Sawback bayonet

  V.C.Schilling. Suhl

 

155.R.6.6.    For 155th Infantry Regiment, 6th Company, 6th weapon. I do not have a scabbard for this one, hope get one ( non matching) soon

 

Overall, in very good condition. On the unit marking, I not sure if guard was scrubbed of an older unit, Look like there might be part of older mark  just before the “1”. And I do not know for sure, but I believe when made, both screws would have the same Fraktur stamps.

the grips are tight, no think grips have been off since the war. The Fraktur’s are very nice and crisp. Not often seen this good.

All steel, still shiny but a light start of grey patina is starting, another project for me one day. The saw teeth look like they have never been used. Enjoy for the New Year guys

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Nice piece, possible there was something on crossguard? but maybe only little damaged under unit, what i never seen there is a rivet in pommel?  i believe one of the screw is replacement as have different letter of inspector, the second near to pommel. 

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As you thought Stve, and Any confirms, both scrws should have the same fraktur matching what is on the pommel.

 

This is certainly a very nice piece! 

 

Julian

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