Guest geoff501 Posted 18 October , 2006 Share Posted 18 October , 2006 Geoff, Many, many thanks, but may I/dare I ask you to check these, please? Bob, MALTA (CAPUCCINI) NAVAL CEMETERY Only one match found, which may be a possible. Charles and William may be twins. PLY/7942 Pte Charles Edward SAXTON 2nd RM Bn. RMLI 30/12/1915 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=116631 24803 Pte James William SAXTON 1st Royal Berks 14/11/1916 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=811392 16367 Pte William Harold SAXTON 2nd Gloucestershire 10/05/1915 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=921464 Sons of George and Edith Saxton, of Rudgeway, Bristol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 18 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 October , 2006 Geoff, Thank you. I have checked Blumberg's "Britains Sea Soldiers', & I feel sure Saxton is a Gallipoli casualty, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest geoff501 Posted 18 October , 2006 Share Posted 18 October , 2006 Bob, A bit more luck on Gibralta, North Front. NOTE: the CWGC entry details for Pte John Wood, the last in the list, is garbled. GIBRALTAR (NORTH FRONT) CEMETERY Pte Herbert DEAN 1st Garrison Bn Cheshire Regiment 05/11/1915 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=473081 Pte John Hugo DEAN 1st Labour Bn King's (Liverpool) 23/11/17 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=2747673 Sons of John and Edith Ann Dean, of Preston Brook, Cheshire Pte Stewart HUGHES 5th Argyll and Sutherland 14/09/1915 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=473138 Pioneer George HUGHES 343rd Railway Coy. RE 05/12/1917 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=144968 Sons of Stewart Hughes, of Londonderry Pte W H JINKS 7th North Staffs 10/01/1916 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=473147 Pte Aaron JINKS 9th North Staffs 13/05/1917 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=401978 Sons of Emily Jinks, of Stoke-on-Trent Able Seaman Robert Watt MITCHELL Howe Bn RNVR 12/09/1915 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=473197 Pte A MITCHELL 2nd Royal Scots 24/04/1917 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...?casualty=91472 Sons of Alexander and Charlotte Mitchell, of Hawkhill, Dundee Pte P J SELBY 8th Northumberland Fusiliers 03/10/1915 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=473247 Cpt Beauchamp Henry SELBY 1st Northumberland Fusiliers 20/09/1914 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=723996 Sons of Beauchamp Prideaux Selby, of Pawston, Northumberland Possible brothers, but perhaps too late? Deck Hand George WOOD HM Trawler 'ARCTURUS' RNR 09/03/1916 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=473313 Pte John WOOD 5th Gordon Highlanders 13/11/1916 http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=613430 ?? Sons of John Wood, of Portlethen Village Kincardineshire ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 19 October , 2006 Author Share Posted 19 October , 2006 Geoff, Thank you. None of these are listed in SDGW as 'Gallipoli' casualties, but I believe Hughes, Selby, Jinks & Mitchell were, as their units were all on Gallipoli before & after their dates of death. I think, however, that the Wood brother is 'too late,' Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gidge Posted 7 November , 2006 Share Posted 7 November , 2006 I am researching the WW1 servicemen who appear on the War Memorial in Stubbington, Hampshire. There are 3 brothers who appear there, one of whom was killed at Gallipoli - details as follows: 2nd Lt William Augustine Harper Lowry, Indian Army Reserve of Officers, 14th king George's Own Ferozepore Sikhs. died aged 25 on 04/06/1915. Helles Memorial (He is described as of Indian nationality on the CWG site) Lt.Col. Auriol Ernest Eric Lowry DSO, MC, Croix de Guerre avec Palme, 2nd Bn., West yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own), died aged 25 on 23/09/1918. La Targette British Cemetery, Neuville - St. Vaast Captain Cyril John Patrick Lowry, "C" Coy. 2nd Bn., West yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own) died aged 20 on 25/03/1918. Pozieres Memorial. Hope this may be of interest - I am new to the site, just found it, so am looking forward to gathering more info soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 7 November , 2006 Share Posted 7 November , 2006 I can add three brothers one killed in Gallipoli Name: LILLIMAN, JOSEPH Initials: J Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) Unit Text: 9th Bn. Date of Death: 09/08/1915 Service No: 12833 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 150 to 152. Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL Name: LILLIMAN, ROBERT Initials: R Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Company Serjeant Major Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) Unit Text: 16th Bn. Date of Death: 10/10/1916 Service No: 25502 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 10 C 10 D and 11 A. Memorial: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL Name: LILLIMAN Initials: W H Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Sherwood Foresters (Notts and Derby Regiment) Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Date of Death: 05/10/1915 Service No: 22248 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: DI. 6. Cemetery: POTIJZE BURIAL GROUND CEMETERY Hope this helps. How many now by the way?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 8 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 8 November , 2006 Gidge, Welcome to the Forum & thank you for your input. I do have the Lowry brothers, but it was very kind of you to ask. Anthony, These are new to me, thank you very much. At present the numbers stand at 190 both killed on Gallipoli, 931 killed with at leat one killed on Gallipoli or as a result of it - staggering, isn't it! Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Bagshaw Posted 8 November , 2006 Share Posted 8 November , 2006 Bob, No problem. That is an impressive figure, if i come across anymore i will let you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Henderson-Hamilton Posted 9 November , 2006 Share Posted 9 November , 2006 If anyone has any photos or information on the Henderson-Hamilton brothers who served in Gallipoli and Loos resepectively I would very much like to hear from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redescort Posted 9 November , 2006 Share Posted 9 November , 2006 bobpike Don't know if you have any of these and I am not sure if they are all brothers, but two of my great uncles were also in this regiment 5th Battalion Suffolk Regiment T.A. they both survived if you want their names let me know. 1652 Aldous, J. F. Pte. died of wounds 23/08/1915 Gallipoli 1997 Aldous, M. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 240372 Bamard, S. W. L/Cpl. killed in action 02/11/1917 Palestine 1241 Barnard, C. H. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2358 Bloomfield, C. Pte. died of wounds 05/09/1915 Gallipoli 2208 Bloomfield, F. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2400 Bloomfield, L. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2236 Clarke, F. T. L/Cpl. died 19/03/1916 Egypt 1953 Clarke, H. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2417 Clarke, S. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 241097 Crick, C. H. Pte. killed in action 15/12/1917 Palestine 2698 Crick, F. Pte’ killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 1850 Day, E. Pte died of wounds 14/08/1915 Gallipoli 178 Day, G. E. Sergt. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 240005 Farrant, A. R. Sergt. died 07/03/1919 Home 2203 Farrant, H. Pte. killed in action 25/08/1915 Gallipoli 9751 Frost, S. A. Pte. died 30/12/1917 At Sea 240304 Frost, T. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 1499 Green, J. E. V. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2426 Green, W. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2313 Griggs, H. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2434 Griggs, W. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2202 Hume, P. Pte. died of wounds 14/09/1915 Gallipoli 1838 Hume, W. Pte. killed in action 03/11/1915 Gallipoli 984 Hunt, B. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 112 Hunt, W.S. C.-S.-M. killed in action 20/09/1915 Gallipoli 240425 Keeble, F. Pte. killed in action 02/11/1917 Palestine 2416 Keeble, H. J. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 240792 Lambert, A. E. Pte. killed in action 15/12/1917 Palestine 1275 Lambert, A. L/Cpl. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 1834 Lambert, R. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 240602 Martin, A. Pte. died of wounds 28/11/1917 Egypt 9502 Martin, B. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 1346 Martin, H. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 2995 Middleditch, E. H. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 241209 Middleditch, F. C. Pte. died 18/08/1919 Home 1484 Nunn, H. Pte. died of wounds 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 240752 Nunn, S. Pte. killed in action 19/09/1918 Palestine 241326 Smith, F. F. Sergt. killed in action 16/12/1917 Palestine 2083 Smith, F. W. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 240596 Smith, G. W. L/Cpl. killed in action 02/11/1917 Palestine 241330 Smith, H. W. Pte. killed in action 19/04/1917 Palestine. 3604 Smith, H. L/Cpl. died 15/09/1916 Egypt 1923 Smith, S. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 240544 Smith, S. M. L/Cpl. killed in action 02/11/1917 Palestine. 240675 Smith, S. R. Pte. killed in action 27/11/1917 Palestine 4139 Smith, W. S. Pte. died 01/05/1916 Home 240178 Smith, W. Pte. killed in action 02/11/1917 Palestine 1454 Smith, W. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 242577 Stiff, J. Pte. killed in action 15/12/1917 Palestine 2326 Stiff, G. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli. 1250 Ward, C. B. L/Cpl. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli 1271 Ward, E. Pte. killed in action 12/08/1915 Gallipoli joatmon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 9 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 9 November , 2006 Joatmon, Thank you for the huge list. I'll first check with those I already have, then we need to check family details for a link. I'll let you know how I get on, Bob Lynda, I've e-mailed you privately, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackNZ Posted 19 November , 2006 Share Posted 19 November , 2006 Major Frank Statham and Corporal Clive Statham I came across this reference in course of some research which forum members may be interested in: “BROTHERS DIE TOGETHER KILLED BY ONE SHELL There appears to be little doubt that Major Frank Statham and Corporal Clive Statham of Dunedin, were killed in action. Writing from the trenches to Mr C H Statham, Lieutenant L G Wilson, adjutant of the Otago Battalion, 10th North Otago Regiment, to which both Mr Statham’s sons were attached, says: “The battalion was almost decimated, and the only information we could get was one man’s statement that he had seen the major wounded and in an unconscious state early in the afternoon. After that he had not seen him. Now, however, three men who were wounded state that the major and Clive were standing together and were killed by the explosion of one shell, which landed very close to them. Beyond that I regret that I have been unable to gain any more details. It has been a terrible business and a loss that will never be fully realised. The major, as an officer among officers, was placed on the highest pedestal of respect and admiration, by the men was loved, and was a born leader. In every operation in which our battalion was engaged it was the major and his company who led the offensive.” Source: Auckland Weekly News November 4, 1915 page 21 Nominal roll details: Surname STATHAM Given Name Frank Hadfield Category Nominal Roll Vol. 1 Regimental Number 8/977a Rank Major Body or Draft Main Body Unit or Regiment Otago Infantry Batln Marital Status M Last NZ Address Otago Next of Kin Title Mrs Mary P Next of Kin Surname STATHAM Next of Kin Relationship Wife Next of Kin Address C/- C H Statham 26 Dowling St Dunedin Surname STATHAM Given Name Clive Heathcote Falk Category Nominal Roll Vol. 1 Regimental Number 8/801 Rank Corporal Body or Draft Main Body Unit or Regiment Otago Infantry Batln Marital Status S Last NZ Address Te Rua Takapau Next of Kin Title Charles H Next of Kin Surname STATHAM Next of Kin Relationship Father Next of Kin Address Mornington Dunedin Charles Bean in his book the Story of Anzac Vol 2 (page 580 / 692) also refers to these two brothers being killed on Chunuk Bair on 9 August 1915. Bean makes the following statement: “About 5 am, while the Turkish attack upon them was still at its height, three high explosive howitzer shells, coming from the right rear, burst among them, one exploding in the front trench, and killing the gallant Major Statham (accountant; of St Leonard’s Otago NZ; b Dunedin NZ 31 Dec 1879) together with his brother beside him, (sheep farmer; of Takapau, Hawkes Bay NZ; b Dunedin, NZ, 23 Sept 1892) as well as Sergeant-Major Porteous (MID Member of NZ Permanent Forces, of Oamaru and Dunedin NZ; b Dunedin 23 July 1875) and six of seven men. The shells almost certainly came from one of the howitzer batteries inside the old Anzac lines.” Richard Stowers also refers to the brothers in his 2005 book Bloody Gallipoli The New Zealanders’ Story – pages 188 / 362. Stowers refers to Colonel Meldrum (Wellington Mounted Rifles) who was there at the time as being “convinced that Statham was killed by a Royal Navy shell.” I don’t think anyone will know for certain. Anyone looking for photos of the two brothers can find them in The Auckland Weekly News Nov 4, 1915 page 30- centre of the page. Zack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 20 November , 2006 Author Share Posted 20 November , 2006 Zack, Thank you. I was aware of these brothers, but their tale is so tragic it bears te-telling. Thank you for taking the trouble to do so, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackNZ Posted 22 November , 2006 Share Posted 22 November , 2006 No problem Bob because you are correct it is a tragic tale - like so many others! Just imagine their families reaction Zack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Shapcott Posted 1 December , 2006 Share Posted 1 December , 2006 My Grandfather, Alexander Shapcott, died that very same month on that very same Turkish peninsula. His name is on the Hellas War Memorial, a 30m-high obelisk that can still be seen by ships passing through the Dardanelles. He was a Private in his 20s. Just eight weeks before he'd lost his brother William, a drummer boy and my Uncle - yet another one of 20,000 soldiers who died in that notorious and savage campaign. Both served in the East Lancashire Regiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 1 December , 2006 Share Posted 1 December , 2006 David, The details below are from the CWGC web site Name: SHAPCOTT, ALEXANDER Initials: A Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: East Lancashire Regiment Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn. Date of Death: 07/08/1915 Service No: 2545 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 113 to 117. Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL Name: SHAPCOTT, WILLIAM Initials: W Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: East Lancashire Regiment Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn. Age: 28 Date of Death: 05/06/1915 Service No: 2382 Additional information: Son of Henry and Mary Ann Shapcott, of 16, Harley St., Burnley. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 113 to 117. Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL welcome to the G W F Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 2 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 2 December , 2006 David & Michael, Thank you both very much. To my surprise ( only in the fact that the names keep coming in) these two lads are new to me. But another dreadful story, isn't it. How parents coped? Or didn't, there seem to be a lot of casualties where the family details for one brother differ from the other(s) in the fact that the word 'late' appears by one of the parents, usually after the first one's death, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kookaburra Posted 5 December , 2006 Share Posted 5 December , 2006 Hi Bob, Have you got these brothers amongst your list. Name: AHERN, JOSEPH Initials: J Nationality: New Zealand Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F. Unit Text: 1st Bn. Date of Death: 31/08/1918 Service No: 23/1924 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: II. L. 6. Cemetery: BANCOURT BRITISH CEMETERY Name: AHERN, JOHN PATRICK Initials: J P Nationality: New Zealand Rank: Trooper Regiment/Service: Otago Mounted Rifles, N.Z.E.F. Date of Death: between 06/08/1915 and 07/08/1915 Service No: 9/785A Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. Edward Ahern, of Convent Rd., Otaki. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: 7. Memorial: CHUNUK BAIR (NEW ZEALAND) MEMORIAL Cheers, Diane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 6 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 December , 2006 Diane, Many thanks. Initially I thought I already had them, but despite it being a relatively unusual surname, I hadn't! These are the others, Ahern Pte. Rodney 1RDub Fus 8.8.15 – Helles Mem 190-6 and Pte. Richard 2Leinst 24.11.17 – Tincourt New BC 2F12. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kookaburra Posted 6 December , 2006 Share Posted 6 December , 2006 Hi Bob, It amazes me how your list keeps growing. Cheers, Diane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 6 December , 2006 Author Share Posted 6 December , 2006 Diane, It amazes and rather shocks me. Hopefully it is slowing down and a sort of end is in sight, then it will appear in 'The Gallipolian,' but will also be available to anyone who'd like a copy - watch this space! Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Shapcott Posted 7 December , 2006 Share Posted 7 December , 2006 David, The details below are from the CWGC web site Name: SHAPCOTT, ALEXANDER Initials: A Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: East Lancashire Regiment Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn. Date of Death: 07/08/1915 Service No: 2545 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 113 to 117. Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL Name: SHAPCOTT, WILLIAM Initials: W Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: East Lancashire Regiment Unit Text: 1st/5th Bn. Age: 28 Date of Death: 05/06/1915 Service No: 2382 Additional information: Son of Henry and Mary Ann Shapcott, of 16, Harley St., Burnley. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 113 to 117. Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL welcome to the G W F Michael Thankyou Micheal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nittenman Posted 6 January , 2007 Share Posted 6 January , 2007 Hi Bob, I'm trying to help a work colleague who is trying to trace his relatives. His aunt told him that four of her brothers were killed. Their surname is Reilly or Riley. I have managed to identify only one; Edward Riley Pvt 10432 6th Batt. South Lancashire Regiment. Edward was killed on 10/8/1915 at Gallipoli and is commemorated on the Helles memorial. Son of Patrick, 20 Union Street, St Helens. His other brothers were John, Joseph and Lawrence Reilly/Riley. The family were all from St. Helens area. Many of the posts ask how the parents and other family members coped. In this instance it was never spoken about. According to my colleague, the only sign anything had happened was that every Armistice Day, his grandmother would sit at home and weep. My eyes cant help leaking as I think of that poor woman whose only defense to the unbearable grief of losing four sons was to try and blot it out until 11 November every year. If you or any of the other Pals know anything that would help I would love to tell my colleague to save them from being forgotten completely. I cant find anything conclusive on SDGW or CWGC but could that be because the family didnt return the finalistion forms? Grief is a terrible thing. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 6 January , 2007 Author Share Posted 6 January , 2007 Keith, Many thanks for posting this, it is indeed tragic, but not unique, sadly. Annoyingly I have no record of these, but I would very much like to add them to my database. Browsing SDGW & CWGC, I suspect that Gnr. Lawrence (5352) is a good bet, but there is no concrete proof. As to John & Joseph, putting in St. Helens on the SDGW brings up one possibility for Joseph (12591 South Lancs) but there are family details on CWGC which dismiss him completely. There are two Johns, but there are no family details for either! May I suggest you post your query elsewhere on the Forum and pick the brains of the many experts here, but PLEASE keep me informed, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobpike Posted 17 January , 2007 Author Share Posted 17 January , 2007 Can anyone help, please, identify the ‘missing brother’? Murray Pte. J McL 5A & S 13.7.15– Lancashire Landing Cem and Pte. N 1/5A & S 12.7.15 – Helles Mem 183-184 (There is a third unidentified brother who also died). Barlow Cpl. G 6Manch 4.6.15 – Helles Mem 158-170 and Cpl. J E 20RF 18.4.17 – Warlincourt Halte BC 8J4 (There is a third brother, Andrew, who I have been unable to identify). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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