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I have two brothers on the local Roll of Honour who may be of interest to you:

Thomas Alexander Grant MILLER, KOSB, kia 25.04.1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=688660

Archibald William Buchanan MILLER KOSB (RFC). kia 13.07.1917

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=486299

They were both 21 years old when they died (2 years apart) and the only children of Rev Thomas Miller and his wife.

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Portianos Military Cemetery:

Cpt Noel Ernest BIDEN 3rd Field Coy Australian Engineers 21/12/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=626719

6462 Pte William Wareham BIDEN 3rd Australian Infantry 14/04/1018

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=1458055

Sons of Ernest Henry and Fanny Teresa Biden, of Sydney, NSW

532 Bugler Thomas Alwyn McDonald PAGE 3rd Australian Infantry 18/08/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=626936

2166 Pte Clarence Garfield PAGE MM 3rd Australian Infantry 22/07/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=183788

Sons of Thomas and Jane Page, of West Tamworth, NSW

Z/1206 Able Seaman George STABLES RNVR Hawke Bn. 07/09/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=626977

10796 Pte Alexander STABLES 6th Gordon Highlanders 13/03/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=1562456

Sons of William and Jessie Stables, of Rathven, Buckie, Banffshire

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Geoff, Thank you, I thought there might be some!

Bob

Bob,

Addolorata Cemetery

17115 Pte F EDMUNDS 2nd Hampshire 26/10/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=116191

56943 Gnr Albert John EDMUNDS RGA 29/07/1918

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=2938699

Sons of Frederick and Mary Edmunds, of Byfield, Northants.

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Bob,

ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) MILITARY AND WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

May be a few more after a manual check.

Cpt Percival Christian CHAPMAN 26th Jacob's Mountain Bty. RA 01/05/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=108444

Cpt G H CHAPMAN 53rd Sikhs (Frontier Force) 09/03/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=627799

Sons of Rev. Theodore Chapman, of Langley Rectory, Maidstone

**THIRD BROTHER ALSO FELL - THEODORE CHAPMAN ?

5863 Cpl David JONES 5th Welsh Regiment 07/08/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=109128

28668 Gnr W Jones 527th Howitzer Byt. RA 04/11/1918

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=4020362

Sons of Hannah Jones, of Mountain Ash, Glam.

107 Pte John Lacy KNAPP 28th Australian Infantry 12/11/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=109199

108 L/Cpl Malcolm Sidney KNAPP 28th Australian Infantry 29/07/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=1455472

Sons of Laurence and Julia Knapp, of Mylor Bridge, Cornwall.

190 Cpl David MUCKART 1st Welsh Yeomanry 14/11/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=109495

167792 Spr. John Pattullo MUCKART 105th Field Coy. RE 30/05/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=778922

Sons of David and Margaret Muckart, of Arbroath, Forfarshire.

433 Pte Raymond Roy PALMER 10th Australian Infantry 02/05/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=109582

677 Pte Thomas George William PALMER 10th Australian Infantry

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=718519

Sonsd of William Thomas and Charlotte Anne Palmer, of Kersbrook S. Australia.

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Guest Peter Thomson
I found your website when doing a google search regarding my two Great Uncles who were both killed at Gallipoli on 28th June 1915. There names are Lieutenant Eric James Thomson and second Lieutenant Francis Wishart Thomson of the Royal Scots Guards. A sad day for my great grandmother losing two sons at the age of 22 yrs and 24 yrs.

Part of the reason for doing the search is that I am currently in the process of arranging a school history tour to Gallipoli for Easter 2008.

Can anyone give me any pointers as to what these school kids should go and see?

And also, does anyone know of a person/company in Turkey who would arrange a guided tour?

Thanks,

Peter Thomson

Bob,

Thanks. I look forward to hearing from you when you have a moment!

Rgds,

Peter

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ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) MILITARY AND WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

May be a few more after a manual check.

...and here they are:

11843 Pte Walter GRATTON 9th West Yorks 19/08/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=108894

15297 Pte George GRATTON 11th Notts and Derby 01/07/1917

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=786977

Sons of Catherine Gratton, of Newark, Notts

S4/143835 Pte Reginald HANNAFORD RASC 24/02/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=108939

199233 AS Samuel HANNAFORD HMS "MOORSOM" 04/02/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=350739

Sons of Fanny and Samuel Hannaford, of Torquay

Lt Edward Michael HOPTON 1st Shropshire Yeomanry 17/03/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=109054

Cpt Guy William HOPTON 5th Royal Berks 27/07/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=448219

Sons of Lt Gen Sir Edward Hopton KCB and Lady Hopton, of Homend, Hereford.

9875 Pte H G KENDALL 5th Dorset 15/08/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=109174

3/8382 Cpl Ian Charles KENDALL 1st Dorset 27/02/1918

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=824644

Sons of Mary Susan and Emmanuel Kendall, of East Stour, Dorset.

Z/449 AS Frank Louies SMITH Anson Bn RNVR 10/12/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=109867

652918 Rfl. Edwin Ernest SMITH 21st London (First Surrey Rifles) 07/06/1917

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=917277

Sons of Edwin James and Mary Jane Smith, of Sydenham.

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Eve,

Thank you very much for the Miller brothers. I was aware of them, but not that Lt. T A G was a noted rugby player.

Geoff,

Thank you. I have decided the following cannot be definitely attributed to Gallipoli - 1) Jones D - date of death (7.8.16). 2) Hannaford R - date (24.2.16). 3) Hopton EM - date (17.3.16) & according to Westlake, Shropshire Yeomanry were not at Gallipoli.

Also here is the third Chapman brother,

Bob

CHAPMAN, THEODORE VICTOR

Initials: T V

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Captain

Regiment/Service: The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)

Unit Text: 2nd Bn.

Age: 19

Date of Death: 12/05/1917

Awards: MC

Additional information: Son of the Rev. Theodore Charles Chapman, M.A. and Alice Barr Chapman, of 24, Canynge Square, Clifton, Bristol. His brothers Gordon and Perceval also fell.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Bay 2.

Memorial: ARRAS MEMORIAL

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Geoff,

Thank you. I have decided the following cannot be definitely attributed to Gallipoli - 1) Jones D - date of death (7.8.16). 2) Hannaford R - date (24.2.16). 3) Hopton EM - date (17.3.16) & according to Westlake, Shropshire Yeomanry were not at Gallipoli.

Bob,

Thought the Yeomanry was a bit odd. I'm not doing any filtering - I'll leave that to the experts!

Should start Mudros later today.

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EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY

801 Pte John Mortimer FERGUSON 3rd County of London (Sharpshooters) 25/08/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=626140

763640 Pte Bernard Vincent FERGUSON 28th London (Artists' Rifles) 08/03/1918

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=586573

Sons of Grace E U Ferguson, of Primrose Hill.

Possible brothers?

6th Engineer Arthur William HALL Mercantile Marine RFA "Reliance" 11/09/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=626196

J/20872 Leading Telegraphist Frank HALL RN HMS/M "E35" 29/10/1917

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=3052779

Sons of Annie Hall, of Kensington

15006 Pte Ernest SKELLERN 7th North Staffs 09/08/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=626547

1803 Pte James SKELLERN 5th North Staffs 04/09/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=916960

Sons of Mrs E Skellern and James Skellern, of Kidsgrove, Staffs.

Surgeon Thomas Louis Grenet STEWART Royal Navy RN Div 27/04/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=626577

2/Lt William Marshall STEWART 8th Cameronians 24/03/1917

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=1671255

Sons of Matthew and E Pamela Stewart, of Barrhead, Glasgow.

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Bob,

One more from Mudros, a Gallipoli 'double'

(have not done Shell Green yet)

EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY

1121 Trooper Archibald James WATT 2nd Australian Light Horse 23/12/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=626650

395 Trooper Walter Thomas WATT 7th Australian Light Horse 30/09/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=606592

Sons of Espie and Jane Watt, of Gulgong, NSW

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Geoff,

Thank you. I was aware of the Skellerns and the Watt brothers, of whom there is a third casualty. I feel the Halls are brothers & will include them,

Bob

WATT, FREDERICK JOHN

Initials: F J

Nationality: Australian

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F.

Unit Text: 18th Bn.

Age: 37

Date of Death: 03/05/1917

Service No: 3686

Additional information: Son of Espie and Jane Watt, of Gulgong, New South Wales.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: VILLERS-BRETONNEUX MEMORIAL

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PIETA MILITARY CEMETERY

10/280 Pte William BLACK Wellington Reg 02/10/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=114884

10/3488 Pte John BLACK Wellington Regiment 11/10/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=362964

Sons of Alex Black, of Marton NZ

196 Cpl John CRAIG 7th Cameronians 04/07/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=115064

3356 Cpl Robert CRAIG 9th HLI 15/07/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=757244

Sons of MR and Mrs William Craig, of Crosshill, Glasgow.

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PIETA MILITARY CEMETERY continued....

763 L/Cpl Norman Douglas GARDEN 7th Australian Infantry 23/10/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=115234

4819 Pte Glenroy Sydney GARDEN 57th Australian Infantry 16/08/1918

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...?casualty=77080

Sons of Henry and Blanche E Garden, of Castlemain, Australia

16557 Pte Ernest Oliver HOMANS 7th Ox and Bucks. 20/01/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=115372

11783 Pte Harvey HOMANS 2nd Ox and Bucks. 25/09/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=732139

Sons of Edwin George and Sarah Homans, of Salford Priors.

377 Pte Robert John MARCOMBE 26th Australian Infantry 29/11/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=115585

20832 Gnr. William Henry MARCOMBE 12th Australian Field Artillery 23/06/1918

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=257843

Sons of William Harvey and Fanny Marcombe, of Mount Morgan, Queensland.

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Geoff,

Thank you, three are new to me and count, Marcombe I was aware of. Homans on SDGW states the Theatre of War was 'Salonika' & Westlake confirms the Ox & Bucks weree not at Gallipoli,

Bob

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Bob,

Not much on Ismailia:

ISMAILIA WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

Archibald is too early, but his brother Robert is Shrapnel Valley:

476 Pte Archibald Eric ANGUS 8th Australian Infantry 09/02/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=110845

530 Pte Robert Laurence ANGUS 14th Australian Infantry 19/05/1915

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=622115

Sons of John and Elizabeth Angus, of Jamieson, Victoria

Probably too late - but given here as there are 3 brothers you may like to collect.

35202 Drv James CAVIN 5th Field Coy. RA 29/06/1916

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=110888

331551 Pte John CAVIN 2nd HLI 19/10/1918

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=664360

S/3752 Pte William CAVIN 2nd Argyll and Sutherland 24/09/1918

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...asualty=1740880

Sons of Bernard and Annie Cavin, of Shawlands, Glasgow

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I have been trying to work out what is happening here.

Francis Hamlen Norris was definitely in the Canterbury Mounted Rifles, NZEF, and died in the attack on Hill 60 on 22 August 1915

Surname NORRIS

Given Name Francis Hamlin

Category Nominal Roll Vol. 1

Regimental Number 7/505

Rank Sergt-Major

Body or Draft Main Body

Unit or Regiment Canterbury Mounted Rifles

Marital Status S

Last NZ Address 60 Cashel St Christchurch

Next of Kin Title Herbert Andrew

Next of Kin Surname NORRIS

Next of Kin Address Wyke Regis Weymouth England

He is mentioned in Bloody Gallipoli, page 216. His military file is at Archives NZ. His will is held at Archives NZ- Francis Hamlen Norris- quartermaster of Christchurch died 22 August 1915

He was aged 35 in 1915, therefore born in 1880.

English Birth Registration 1880; Norris, Francis Hamlen- Bradford, W -5a 143

In 1881 he, aged 1, sister Eveline aged 2,parents Hubert A Norris,licensed victualler, and Sophia Norris were living at 10 Church St, the Swan Hotel,Bradford on Avon. Wiltshire

In 1891 he, aged 11, Eveline, parents and a brother Edward were living at the Phoenix Hotel, Bridge St. Gillinham, Dorset father is now a Hotel proprietor, pub

Where was he in 1901?

At some stage he came to NZ, and joined the Canterbury Mounted Rifles

Was he in the Royal Horse Guards before he came to NZ? Did they keep him on their list even though he was in NZ?

He is mentioned on the War Memorial in Ashford, Middlesex, although it does not show a regiment

http://www.windowonwoking.org.uk/sites/gol...ls/ashfordmiddx

Can anyone find out when or whether he was in the Horse Guards?

Why does he have 2 memorials?

.........................................

...And I don't think these 'two' will qualify:

Name: NORRIS, FRANCIS HAMLEN

Initials: F H

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Quartermaster Corporal Saddler

Regiment/Service: Royal Horse Guards

Age: 35

Date of Death: 22/08/1915

Service No: 776

Additional information: Born at Bradford-on-Avon. Son of Sophia Norris, of "Roydon," Albert Rd., Ashford, Middx., and the late Herbert Andrew Norris.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 16.

Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

Name: NORRIS, FRANCIS HAMLEN

Initials: F H

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Regimental Serjeant Major

Regiment/Service: Canterbury Mounted Rifles, N.Z.E.F.

Age: 35

Date of Death: 22/08/1915

Service No: 7/505

Additional information: Son of Hubert Andrew and Sophia Norris, of "Roydon," Albert Rd., Ashford, Middx., England. Born at Bradford-on-Avon.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: I. B. 1.

Cemetery: CANTERBURY CEMETERY, ANZAC

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Christine,

Thank you very much for all this and 'going public'. I came across the entries for both these whilst compiling my 'Gallipoli Brothers' project.You will see they share the same name, date of death, birthplace & parents, but not regiment or place of commemoration. There is a MIC for the 'English' one, and his numbers were originally 7/505, the same as the NZ one, then it became 776. So are they the same person, or were they brothers and the wrong forenames attributed to on on CWGC? I have sent details to CWGC also.

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Christine,

Thank you very much for all this and 'going public'. I came across the entries for both these whilst compiling my 'Gallipoli Brothers' project.You will see they share the same name, date of death, birthplace & parents, but not regiment or place of commemoration. There is a MIC for the 'English' one, and his numbers were originally 7/505, the same as the NZ one, then it became 776. So are they the same person, or were they brothers and the wrong forenames attributed to on on CWGC? I have sent details to CWGC also.

I reckon it is one person, and he is in the NZEF! It will be interesting to see what CWGC say.

BUT brother Edward C U Norris aged 8 in 1891 is a possibility

Christine

actually Edward Charles M Norris born Sept 1/4 1882- FreeBMD

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partially solved

from Rootsweb Greatwar list http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GREAT...1-09/0999891578

"I recently found these records in a book in a local museum and thought they may be of use to someone.

"The Quarterly Army List of the New Zealand Forces. April 1914"

Warrant Officers and Non-Commissioned Officers on Loan from the British Army.

Name Appointment Headquarters Date of

Appointment

--------------------------

NORRIS F.H. Brigade Sergeant Major Christchurch April 27th 1911

(Royal Horse Guards) Canterbury Mounted Rifles Brigade

and RSM 1st Mounted Rifles

(Canterbury Yeomanry Cavalry)

So technically he was in both regiments, being on loan to NZ from the British Army, but should he have 2 memorials?

Christine

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Christine,

Well done, I think you have. It would seem therefore that he should only be commemorated in Canterbury Cemetery and not on Helles as well. It will be illuminating to see what CWGC come up with,

Bob

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Geoff,

Thank you for the Ismailia ones, unfortunately I had the Angus brothers & SDGW says Cavin was not a Gallipoli casualty. Never mind,

Bob

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Geoff,

Thank you for the Ismailia ones, unfortunately I had the Angus brothers & SDGW says Cavin was not a Gallipoli casualty. Never mind,

Bob,

Have now searched the following and posted all matches found. Number after cem is the number of records having "Son of......"

Any more to do?

ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) BRITISH PROTESTANT CEMETERY Egypt 1

ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) JEWISH CEMETERY No.3 Egypt 9

ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) MILITARY AND WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY Egypt 1222

CHATBY MEMORIAL Egypt 292

EAST MUDROS MILITARY CEMETERY Greece Lemnos 393

PORTIANOS MILITARY CEMETERY Greece Lemnos 240

ISMAILIA WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY Egypt 255

PIETA MILITARY CEMETERY Malta 636

ADDOLORATA CEMETERY Malta 121

MARIA ADDOLORATA CEMETERY, CASAL DINGLI Malta 1

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Geoff,

Many, many thanks, but may I/dare I ask you to check these, please?

MALTA

Pembroke MC

Marsa Jewish Cem

Malta (Cappucini) Naval Cem

Te Braxia Cem

EGYPT

Alexandria (Hadra) War Mem Cem

Cairo War Mem Cem

Heliopolis Mem

Kantara War Mem Cem

Port Said War Mem Cem

Suez War Mem Cem

GIBRALTAR

Gibraltar (North Front) Cem

Gibraltar (North Front) Jewish Cem

Apologies if you've done any of these,

Bob

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