charlie962 Posted 29 May , 2020 Share Posted 29 May , 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sbd said: I am wondering if anyone can tell me what might have happened to Daniel T Kay S/3492 (what does the S stand for?) after he was reported missing (presumed killed) on the 25th of September 1915 at Loos until the 29th May 1916 when he left Soltau for Murren, where he stayed until he died of pneumonia on the 5th of December 1918. Welcome to the Forum Sbd You will find quite a number of records on the International RedCross PoW site. There are 3 index cards for him and several backing sheets. Here is one of them Charlie The refs are all below but the other two cards just add PA 4741 (his trf to Soltau from Fredrichsfeld 5/1/16 in a group of 45 Anglais) And R216195 which is the death cert I copy below. You should be lucky and able to trace his movements through various camps, hospitals etc ! Have you seen this death Cert ? ref R 216195 on same ICRC site Edited 29 May , 2020 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbd Posted 30 May , 2020 Share Posted 30 May , 2020 Hello Charlie Thank you so much for the link and the images. I have actually used that site before but not found all of the above, just the death certificate - I obviously need to practise using the search facility on there! You have given me a lot of information, this will really help with my research. Thanks again Em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 30 May , 2020 Share Posted 30 May , 2020 There's one more sheet R50254 which tells you which Hotel he was in at Chateau d'Oeux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbd Posted 30 May , 2020 Share Posted 30 May , 2020 Thank you Maybe one day in the not to distant future I will be able to travel over to see some of these places. Em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 30 May , 2020 Share Posted 30 May , 2020 On 29/05/2020 at 22:07, Sbd said: daniel T Kay S/3492 (what does the S stand for? This old thread tells us it was the Rifle Brigade prefix for those joining K2 battalions of the RB, New Army. ie 10th 11th and 12th Service Battalions. We already know he was 12th Bn RB. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 31 May , 2020 Share Posted 31 May , 2020 Not quite, the S prefix denoted New Army men, first batch went to the 1st RB in October 1914. Although in the S prefix you can find old servicemen who had left the reserve and classified as new recruits not being able to take their old number back. A lot of the S prefix went into the earlier battalions K1 (7th, 8th & 9th) and when those battalions became vastly oversubscribed, they were split up ending up in the 10th, 11th & 12th. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 I stand corrected ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 1 June , 2020 Share Posted 1 June , 2020 (edited) No problem Charlie, just a small correction. Andy Edited 2 June , 2020 by stiletto_33853 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt STOCK Posted 11 July , 2020 Share Posted 11 July , 2020 Hi Appreciate your efforts in retaining these important artefacts. I am looking for information in relation to my Great Grand Father Harold Gabriel KIRBY - 2LT 8 Bn Sherwood Foresters who was posted to 12 Bn Rifle Brigade in NOV1916. Matt STOCK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 11 July , 2020 Share Posted 11 July , 2020 Hi Matt, You would be better starting a totally new post so that more people will see it, but do you realise that his service papers are held at Kew here : https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C709997 When they open again after the lockdown you could go there and take copies. There are also people on the GWF who will take copies for you at a reasonable price (far cheaper than what Kew would charge you). BillyH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt STOCK Posted 11 July , 2020 Share Posted 11 July , 2020 Ok thanks BillyH - I will work out how to do just that. Cheers MPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 11 July , 2020 Share Posted 11 July , 2020 (edited) Hi Matt, Strange, the 20th Division KRRC and RB battalions had a few transfers from the 6th, 7th & 8th Sherwood Foresters on 17 & 18 Nov. I have found the other officers in the nominal roll of officers in the 12th RB, however there is no mention in this officers nominal roll of your relative. I will check the other 20th Div officers nominal rolls in case he was moved immediately to another battalion as he is noted as having joined the battalion on 19th November. Not in my files of RB officers on my hard drive as these are all RB officers rather than transfers. Andy Edited 11 July , 2020 by stiletto_33853 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt STOCK Posted 11 July , 2020 Share Posted 11 July , 2020 Thanks Andy - I see him there on your post - 2LT H G KIRBY to 12 Bn RB. I understand he went on course not long after coming on strength and then an appendicitis requiring surgery. He ultimately returned to the 8th Sherwood Foresters later in the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 11 July , 2020 Share Posted 11 July , 2020 Welcome Matt, I have the records from this nominal roll of all the other officers transferred from the 8th Sherwoods but not your relatives. I presume he must have gone on that course very quickly after being transferred to the 12th as these nominal rolls I have found to be extremely accurate. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Bd Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 To all, can anyone help please with more information about my cousin Robert Bird who was in the 12th Bn he died on the 31st March 1916. His service number was S/1376 he was born in1875 in Birmingham. I'm trying to find more about where he died and what engagement? I've searched for war diaries without success. Any help is always appreciated. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 7 November , 2021 Admin Share Posted 7 November , 2021 He’s buried at La Brique no 2. Not every casualty of the Great War was during an engagement. Many deaths were during routine trench warfare, stray shells, bullets. Also illness. The war diaries will tell you where they were and what was happening ( or not happening ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bardess Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 Hopefully here are the WDs available for free after registering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Bd Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 Thanks to Michelle and Bardess, I found the WDs as directed. The 12th Bn were entrenched on the Canal's west bank about 500 yards from Ypres mid March, they were being hit intermittently by enemy artillery. They pulled back to Brandhoek by the end of March. It is assumed my cousin was killed in this area probably by artillery fire. Thanks to all Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 I note from this clipping (courtesy FindmyPast) that his brother was killed the day before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 (edited) Re Robert Bird- Incidentally his service record survives. eg here at FindmyPast which notes that he was "A" Company at the time. Edited 7 November , 2021 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Bd Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 Thanks Charlie962, this is the first photo I've seen of Robert. I didn't know about his brother, I'll have to research him now. By the way is it possible to get a better copy of the photo and the article, please.. The top of the photo is cut off. I have his service record, it just says "killed in action" and "killed in the field" Belgium. Regards Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Phil Bd said: I didn't know about his brother, I'll have to research him now. Start a separate thread. Walter Bird, 12260, 6th Berkshires. d 30/3/1915 1916 Edited 7 November , 2021 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 12th RB were near Boesinghe on the far left of the British Army. If you would care to put Fargate into the search facility you will find a fair few posts regarding the area. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 7 November , 2021 Admin Share Posted 7 November , 2021 1 hour ago, charlie962 said: Start a separate thread. Walter Bird, 12260, 6th Berkshires. d 30/3/1915 1916? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Bd Posted 7 November , 2021 Share Posted 7 November , 2021 32 minutes ago, stiletto_33853 said: 12th RB were near Boesinghe on the far left of the British Army. If you would care to put Fargate into the search facility you will find a fair few posts regarding the area. Andy Hi Andy, I did see the name "Fargate" mentioned in the WDs among although names but without the maps I couldn't find where my cousin Robert Bird would have been when he was killed on the 31st March 1916. Having just searched for Fargate as you suggested I'm still no wise. I'm very much open to suggestions from those who know better than me about these details. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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