simon2 Posted 23 January , 2011 Share Posted 23 January , 2011 I thought the same but I checked another photo to follow in full dress and it's the same. Not sure of the reason behind this but I'm sure someone would know. This pic I can date. It's taken in Deal in Feb 1914. My GGF front row second from left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Marshall Posted 23 January , 2011 Share Posted 23 January , 2011 There are some young artillerymen here. Even the Bombardier is quite young. Cheers, Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 23 January , 2011 Share Posted 23 January , 2011 I thought the same but I checked another photo to follow in full dress and it's the same. Not sure of the reason behind this but I'm sure someone would know. This pic I can date. It's taken in Deal in Feb 1914. My GGF front row second from left. Great photos and again interesting to see the cap covers. I wonder what Grumpy will make of the tunics. I suspect he may well have seen them before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2 Posted 23 January , 2011 Share Posted 23 January , 2011 I'm sure the all knowing Grumpy has.... Thats a compliment ! My next picture is of a family member with a chap from the Blackwatch. I have posted this pic before to identify the regiment of the man standing but have other questions. On the Gloster guy he has an emblem above his stripes on his right arm - any ideas and also the BW chap has an emblem above his WO crown on his left sleeve again any ideas ?. Also I have noticed that my Gloster man has not got the usual TF shoulder title which makes me swing towards a regular. Answers to all these would identify the family member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 23 January , 2011 Share Posted 23 January , 2011 I'm sure the all knowing Grumpy has.... Thats a compliment ! My next picture is of a family member with a chap from the Blackwatch. I have posted this pic before to identify the regiment of the man standing but have other questions. On the Gloster guy he has an emblem above his stripes on his right arm - any ideas and also the BW chap has an emblem above his WO crown on his left sleeve again any ideas ?. Also I have noticed that my Gloster man has not got the usual TF shoulder title which makes me swing towards a regular. Answers to all these would identify the family member. Sorry Simon, far too indistinct to offer even a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2 Posted 23 January , 2011 Share Posted 23 January , 2011 Not to worry the picture blurred when I tried to resize I'll spend some time tomorrow sharpening and enlarging the items individually. Next is a Wilts chap sitting next to my Great Aunt - not sure if chap is family member or her sweetheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATNOMIS Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 1512 Pte. John Bennett 12th Rifle Brigade, can anyone identify the medal ribbons, South African ?. I think they look like King's South Africa Medal Queen's South Africa Medal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFayers Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 I think they look like King's South Africa Medal Queen's South Africa Medal I agree - though IMHO I'd suggest he possibly has a Queen's Sudan Medal as well (so QSM, QSA and KSA). cheers Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 Great photos and again interesting to see the cap covers. I wonder what Grumpy will make of the tunics. I suspect he may well have seen them before. I had heard of them but never seen an example photographed .... shall need to re-examine my RM shots, perhaps I missed them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 I think they look like King's South Africa Medal Queen's South Africa Medal I wondered about Sudan but are not the colours the wrong way round, or is it a trick of the ortho film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATNOMIS Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 I wondered about Sudan but are not the colours the wrong way round, or is it a trick of the ortho film? The white looks rather large for sudan. Outsider Ashanti Star, with it turned to black and white. It does not look far off http://www.noble.com.au/site/img/dyn/sales/s72/thumbs2/1882.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 I wondered about Sudan but are not the colours the wrong way round, or is it a trick of the ortho film? The white looks rather large for sudan. Outsider Ashanti Star, with it turned to black and white. It does not look far off I thought it might have been the Sudan medal as well, but orthochromatic film would keep black black, and the yellow would appear quite dark as well, you wouldn't end up with the clearly defined dark/light split visible in the picture. With the Ashanti Star, simply making a modern picture black and white doesn't have the same result when compared to pictures taken with orthochromatic film - the yellow would be rendered very dark grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 I had heard of them but never seen an example photographed .... shall need to re-examine my RM shots, perhaps I missed them! There must have been a huge number of them given that they were standard rig for RM ship's companies and detachments deployed ashore. The small RM EF sent to Antwerp wore them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATNOMIS Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 I thought it might have been the Sudan medal as well, but orthochromatic film would keep black black, and the yellow would appear quite dark as well, you wouldn't end up with the clearly defined dark/light split visible in the picture. With the Ashanti Star, simply making a modern picture black and white doesn't have the same result when compared to pictures taken with orthochromatic film - the yellow would be rendered very dark grey. True. Does his MIC hide any clues? Plus was he wounded in SA? Ance***y have these details now I believe. Very interested in finding out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARABIS Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 RMLI c.1911. David. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 Sgt. Fred Thomas Tomblin, 19th London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 Pte. 1219 Herbert John Rogers, 1st Devonshire, kia 18.11.1915 age 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 Pte. 12302 Harold William Stammers, 'A' coy 6th D.C.L.I. kia 18.8.1916 age 27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 24 January , 2011 Share Posted 24 January , 2011 287 L/corp. Arthur Rhys Daniel, 1st Welsh Guards, kia 17.10.1915 age 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon2 Posted 25 January , 2011 Share Posted 25 January , 2011 There must have been a huge number of them given that they were standard rig for RM ship's companies and detachments deployed ashore. The small RM EF sent to Antwerp wore them. I was at some stage going to ask that question as my GGF was a 1914 star and clasp recipient and wondered if the khaki had been introduced by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 25 January , 2011 Share Posted 25 January , 2011 for anyone not privy to the orthochromatic problem and discussion, a brief resume. Until about 1925 most film used was ortho. It renders one end of the spectrum red end, very dark, and the blue end, very pale. Thus red comes out as nearly black, orange nearly so, yelloe as very dark grey, green is more-or-less as one would expect to see in modern panchromatic film, and blue/ indigo much paler than one would expect, sometimes startlingly so. Thus on pre 1925 photos of Foot Guards in the scarlet home service dress, the dark navy cuffs and collars and the scarlet tunic can indistinguishable from each other. A modern pan shot has a big contrat, the tunic appearing much lighter. Thus also a yellow tartan overstripe came out very dark. "Search" will come up with a lot, some of it inconclusive. Some of us have experimented with Gimp and other photo software to try to recreate ortho effects, with varying success. The moral is, do not take any Great War and previous photo at face [modern] value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 25 January , 2011 Share Posted 25 January , 2011 I was at some stage going to ask that question as my GGF was a 1914 star and clasp recipient and wondered if the khaki had been introduced by then. You need an RMLI expert, but the retention by the regiment of the Brodrick [nb correct spellering] and the dark blue contravened an agreement in the latter years of the 1800s between the Admiralty and the War Office to standardise as far as possible the uniforms, badges etc of the army and the RM. Certainly the dark navy was worn by the RMLI on operations in 1914. Equally certainly it was exchanged for SD in the RND in the trenches. So .... somewhere in between! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 25 January , 2011 Share Posted 25 January , 2011 I was at some stage going to ask that question as my GGF was a 1914 star and clasp recipient and wondered if the khaki had been introduced by then. As Grumpy said it was not worn after the debacle at Antwerp at which point the blues were exchanged for SD in the 63rd Royal Naval Division in France and Flanders, generally with Army/RM badges of rank on the right arm and RN badges of rate on the left arm. Blues continued to be worn by the RM ship's companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 25 January , 2011 Share Posted 25 January , 2011 1390 Corporal later Sergeant, William George Clive, 15th London, Civil Service Rifles, kia 15.9.1916 age 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john gregory Posted 25 January , 2011 Share Posted 25 January , 2011 Unnamed Pte. in the 15th Londons, ( C.S.R.), notice the leather football style buttons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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