Greyhound Posted 8 May , 2007 Share Posted 8 May , 2007 What a marvellous way to mark the anniversaries of the Absolution and the battle, and to capture the meaning of this entire thread. Thank you, Michel and James. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 8 May , 2007 Share Posted 8 May , 2007 James, all simply thank you... you had a wonderful idea Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 9 May , 2007 Share Posted 9 May , 2007 James, all simply thank you... you had a wonderful idea Michel Michel, The flowers was a very thoughtful gesture, thank you for remembering the Munster's and I do appreciate your comment. Sullivan (James). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted 9 May , 2007 Share Posted 9 May , 2007 In two different ways, by words and a picture, and another by presence and flowers, tribute and recognition is made. Thank you Sullivan and Michel. Lest We Forget. Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 9 May , 2007 Share Posted 9 May , 2007 I wondered today, when I remembered the anniversary, that already by the time I had thought of it, 92 years ago on the actual day many would already have gone.... Michel - a kind and thoughtful gesture, thank you. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 9 May , 2007 Share Posted 9 May , 2007 May 9th 2007 Today .... we think of "our" Munsters ! Isn't it a revelation to us all - that a painting can bring us so close to a battalion of men - who's sacrifice means so much to us - all these years later ? May we never forget what they gave on the altar of freedom Thank you brave Irishmen ! " Deep peace of the quiet earth to you - Deep peace to you " from a Gaelic blessing Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 I don't know if my eyes are deceiving me .... but Jeans post # 76 ...... I was just looking at the photo again and although it's hard to see ... I wondered if anybody else can see the soldier sitting next to Col Rickard to the right ...... he looks like a priest to me .... I can see a collar and a cross ..... wonder if that's Father Gleeson ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 Their memory is imperishable, their reputation immense and their devotion to their Faith massive - as demonstrated by this thread. I suspect had you been at Cork Railway station and been able to tell them of their fate, not a man would have dropped out. We will remember them/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 Annie, Looking again at the pic I am inclined to agree about the collar and cross. Jean's accompanying notes however imply he was an officer (the Adjnt). Can Jean pour over the (hopefully better defined) image with a magnifying glass to verify Annie's observation? Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckop4 Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 Annie, Looking again at the pic I am inclined to agree about the collar and cross. Jean's accompanying notes however imply he was an officer (the Adjnt). Can Jean pour over the (hopefully better defined) image with a magnifying glass to verify Annie's observation? Ian Well spotted, it does indeed look like a priest, Unfortunately the picture, a print-off from newspaper, is not great quality. I have no further info on this Adjutant Fitzpatrick but would not be surprised if the man in question is named erroneously as I have found many similar errors in the 'Cork Examiner.' This 'priest' seems like a very large, tall man, someone who, it seems to me, might not have gone unremarked on account of his size at a time when the vast majority of men pictured are thin. But I have no information on where this picture was taken. It could very well have been taken in England, before or at the start of the war, and might feature the garrison chaplain rather than the front line chaplain. There were two other priests mentioned as being with the battalion at the same time as Fr. Gleeson. In this obit for Pte. William Wallace (KIA 9/5/1915), a Fr. O'Flynn is mentioned:- '..... while on the day he wrote the letter (2nd May) Mass was celebrated by Father O Flynn in a little orchard, the altar being erected under a big apple tree. At that Mass 500 Munster Fusiliers received their Divine Lord in the Sacrament of His Love.' While Pte. Martin Stevens, who was wounded on the 9th, says:- 'Fathers White and Gleeson were with us in the trenches and their exhortations inspired us to greater valour and gave us great consolation. The regiment look up to them both as saints and heroes, and how they have escaped death so far is a marvel to us all. We all, including the priests, were highly complimented by our commanding officer.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckop4 Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 Here is the picture, cut down to zoom in on Col. Rickard and the men on either side of him - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 Hardly conclusive, but I think this padre has a wider (or rounder) face than that of Fr Gleeson? (Compare with pic of post 70, page 4, by Jean). That said, it is a faint view! Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 Hi Jean ! Thank you for the close up .... but as Ian says he doesn't look like your other picture of Father Gleeson .... I can't tell either ! there are 10 soldiers named White as Chaplains in the MIC's http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ix/ And I can't see an O'Flynn as a Chaplain ! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 Also from The Times Mon MARCH 15-1915........ ( how good and brave this priest is !! ) Ulsters Gifts to Munster An instance of the good feeling which exisits between Union Ulster and Nationalist Munster is supplied by a letter which the Dunmurry ( Co Antrim ) Working Guilds have received from the Rev F Gleeson Roman Catholic Chaplain to the 2nd Battalion Munster Fusiliers thanking them for gifts of woollen garments and other comforts The Chaplain writes " The warm woollens of the North are greatly valued by the warm hearts of the South. Three ringing cheers for yourselves and Captain Fitzpatrick brought the joyful distribution to a close From what I know and have seen after three months of this war - I am driven to the conclusion - that a sea submerged and forgotton Ireland would be infinitely preferable to an Ireland with it's brave sons ( from North and South ) tearing one another to pieces in bloody and unchristian strife May God inspire and strengthen the leaders of all Irish opinions to settle their national differences without the utterably sad resort of force and arms " Jean !I knew I had seen that name before ...... on post #444 ...... Father Gleeson had mentioned him but as a Captain ! Annie Medal card of Fitzpatrick, James Eaton Royal Irish Fusiliers Captain Royal Munster Fusiliers Captain Date 1914-1920 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 The collar looks like neck to me - but maybe not! Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 11 May , 2007 Share Posted 11 May , 2007 I don't know if my eyes are deceiving me .... but Jeans post # 76 ...... I was just looking at the photo again and although it's hard to see ... I wondered if anybody else can see the soldier sitting next to Col Rickard to the right ...... he looks like a priest to me .... I can see a collar and a cross ..... wonder if that's Father Gleeson ?? Annie, The officer sitting on Col. Rickard's left, is no doubt in my mind Captain T.W. Filgate as mentioned in the photo caption previously posted by JPC. (Filgate seated 3rd from right of photo). Compare this photo of Filgate taken in Rangoon circa 1912-194. Notice the broad face. Sullivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 14 May , 2007 Share Posted 14 May , 2007 Hi Sullivan ! I think it's Capt Filgate on the left ( as we look at the picture ) and a priest on the right of Col Rickard ( as we look at the picture ) Also does anybody know what language this is please ?? http://www.chakoten.dk/eng_padre.html Looks to me like Sullivan's picture of Father Gleeson - is noted here as being Father Gleeson !! Also you guys have probably seen this already but although I had seen the Peace Tower .... I hadn't noticed Father Gleeson ! Island of Ireland Peace Park The Island of Ireland Peace Park and its surrounding park (Páirc Síochána d'Oileán na h'Éireann), also called the "Irish Peace Park" or "Irish Peace Tower" in Messines, near Ypres in Flanders, Belgium, is a war memorial to the soldiers of the island of Ireland who died, were wounded or are missing from World War I. The tower memorial is close to the site of the June 1917 battle for the Messines Ridge and was chosen because that battle witnessed one of the few where Irish Catholics and Protestants , soldiers of all traditions from the Island of Ireland fought side by side against a common enemy Stone tablet beside the Irish Peace Tower in Flanders, Belgium, with words by Francis Gleeson. Photograph by User:Redvers originally from en:wikipedia, now transferred to Commons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_Ireland_Peace_Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 14 May , 2007 Share Posted 14 May , 2007 Hi Sullivan ! [snip] Also does anybody know what language this is please ?? http://www.chakoten.dk/eng_padre.html Looks to me like Sullivan's picture of Father Gleeson - is noted here as being Father Gleeson !! Danish I suspect - the dk in the URL indicates a Danish web site. Sullivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 14 May , 2007 Share Posted 14 May , 2007 This photo was prepared for GWF member JPC (Jean), also asked if I would post to GWF on her behalf. The main photo - the Memorial Panels at Le Touret Memorial Cemetery. The ghost image is photo of Munster Fusiliers at Cork railway station waiting transit to Rue du Bois, for some perhaps the last journey. The Munster Fusiliers panels are left and right of the column in centre of photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ian turner Posted 14 May , 2007 Share Posted 14 May , 2007 Hi Sullivan ! I think it's Capt Filgate on the left ( as we look at the picture ) and a priest on the right of Col Rickard ( as we look at the picture ) Also does anybody know what language this is please ?? http://www.chakoten.dk/eng_padre.html Looks to me like Sullivan's picture of Father Gleeson - is noted here as being Father Gleeson !! Also you guys have probably seen this already but although I had seen the Peace Tower .... I hadn't noticed Father Gleeson ! Island of Ireland Peace Park The Island of Ireland Peace Park and its surrounding park (Páirc Síochána d'Oileán na h'Éireann), also called the "Irish Peace Park" or "Irish Peace Tower" in Messines, near Ypres in Flanders, Belgium, is a war memorial to the soldiers of the island of Ireland who died, were wounded or are missing from World War I. The tower memorial is close to the site of the June 1917 battle for the Messines Ridge and was chosen because that battle witnessed one of the few where Irish Catholics and Protestants , soldiers of all traditions from the Island of Ireland fought side by side against a common enemy Stone tablet beside the Irish Peace Tower in Flanders, Belgium, with words by Francis Gleeson. Photograph by User:Redvers originally from en:wikipedia, now transferred to Commons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_Ireland_Peace_Park Annie, Yes, indeed Danish. Re Fr Gleseson pic - I saw it in my copy of 'I Was There' and it is credited to 1st Munsters at Cambrai, Oct 1918. Ian Sullivan A nice touch. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 14 May , 2007 Share Posted 14 May , 2007 Annie, it is incredible, I passed tens of time in front of the park, I entered there, I visited it, but at the time of course I was not attracted by the quotation of Father Glesson ! I will go there again and to see with another glance, it is sure. Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 14 May , 2007 Share Posted 14 May , 2007 This photo was prepared for GWF member JPC (Jean), also asked if I would post to GWF on her behalf. The main photo - the Memorial Panels at Le Touret Memorial Cemetery. The ghost image is photo of Munster Fusiliers at Cork railway station waiting transit to Rue du Bois, for some perhaps the last journey. The Munster Fusiliers panels are left and right of the column in centre of photo. James, I will not enter any more “le Touret Memoriall” with the same glance, very moving, thank you. Michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 16 May , 2007 Share Posted 16 May , 2007 That photo's lovely Sullivan ! I found this Captain .... do we have him already ?? In Memory of Captain JOHN CAMPBELL DICK 2nd Bn., Royal Munster Fusiliers who died on 09 May 1915 Remembered with honour LE TOURET MEMORIAL Medal card of Dick, John Campbell Royal Munster Fusiliers Captain Date 1914-1920 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...p;resultcount=1 Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 16 May , 2007 Share Posted 16 May , 2007 Also I found this picture of the Royal Munster Fusiliers .... I recognised the name Fitzmaurice ...... are any of the others familiar ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullivan Posted 16 May , 2007 Share Posted 16 May , 2007 The 2nd battalion Munster Fusiliers left lasting memorials to their battalion, on the battle fields of France, in the cemeteries and on memorial panels throughout. They also left a lasting reminder in North Tidworth at the Garrison Church of St. Patrick and St. George. There is a stained glass memorial window to the 2nd battalion Munster Fusiliers, they were instrumental in support for the church building. As far as I know, the church was started about 1909 and completed in 1912. The builder was G.L.W. Blount. The centre panel with the Arms of the Province of Munster. The side panels listing the pre Great War Battle Honours of the Regiment. Sullivan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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