Great War Rifles

[Steve1871]

Rifles #37.        
2/25/22

there are a few other variations, I chose to show the  most produced bayonets and stuck the rifles on the end of them. On the Werder bayonet, this clearly shows why they “ cut down” the back of the pommel or “ stepped” as most people say

[AndyBsk]

Excellent presentation of combination of scarce bayonets with nice rifles.

The english bolt could be real, You should compare it, side by side for other small marking, or the english stamps were done later

The 36 Danzig is in untouched condition, very nice. Similar uncleaned condition is preffered by major collectors.

[Steve1871]

The English markings, I have both bolts side by side. I do not any to bore you guys with too many I.G.71, so will move on to another type, next

[AndyBsk]

When i look that the suffix on both bolts are latin upper case D and E, this would have sense, as germans didnt used this type of fonts, more likely a writing font. So the british proofs on english rifle and bolt looks similar.

[Steve1871]

Thank’s Andy

[Steve1871]

Rifle #37.       
3/7/22

Kar.71  ( Mauser). 
 

Date.       1878. Single date, produced/ issued
Maker.     Spandau.          
Sn:           1909 no pic to show suffix 
Unit.         G.K.  89.  
 

Now we know that the M71 rifle and Jaeger as well as M.71/84 were used in beginning of Great War in drill/ training/sentry and P.O.W. Guards and some rear area ( in Germany) as well as colonial use. As noted in the great book by Dieter Storz, German military Rifles and period pics and picture post cards showing them

On the Kar.71. Carbine, I have not been able to find any info of the Karbines used in training. The Askari native troops in German colonies used them ( few pics) prewar. I guessing they could have been pressed into training use for Calvary schools and border Guards, which I think would be horse back since some training units used the rifle

This Spandau is the nicest one in my collection , not sure of the unit though.       
The photo’s speak for themselves 
 

 

Edited 8 March , 2022 by Steve1871

[bert.f]

Hello. 

G.K.   89- Garde - Kurassier -Regiment - Stab, weapon no.89

pozd. Robert

Edited 8 March , 2022 by bert.f

[Steve1871]

Bert, thanks,

” stab”. Is being like a headquarters type unit/ company, how do you see the stab?? I still learning here 

[AndyBsk]

Yes there is a gap between K and 89 as it was not known its in any Eskadron? or to Staab, Headquarter would be correct for Staab.  Stab is other word in german.

Edited 9 March , 2022 by AndyBsk

[bert.f]

Hello. Steve.

designation of the staff-weapon

[trajan]

Steve, you never fail to amaze me with your finds! Thanks for showing!

Julian

[Steve1871]

Rifle #38.        
3/11/22

Kar.71. 
 

Date.         1879.        1888.         
Maker.       Spandau    
Sn:           8024. Matching
Unit.         2.G.U.4.140.          
                  2.Guarde Ulanen. 4 Kompanie.Waffe 140

nice and complete, many that come up for sale have long lost the original sling ring or had some other ring put on, finish/ bluing has worn away but all metal stamping are crisp, matching. Stock in nice shape, just minor scratches. Only minor thing, the bolt guide rib,I think in all my rifles and carbines, they all have one crowned letter, usually a “C”, but this one has two, just wonder if was re - inspected?, photo of rear sling swivel also shows crown stamps in good detail, most times, these on bottom have any detail pretty much worn down

 

 

Edited 27 March , 2022 by Steve1871

[AndyBsk]

Most real it went per refurbishment as the 7 years is too long period, 1888 could repaired. The unit is correct Garde Uhlanen Regiment nr.2, 4.Schwadron or Eskadron and weapon nr., there could be deciphered the old unit which is scratched out.

[Steve1871]

Andy,

No one could answer the unit on this one

2.G.U..4. 140.       ????????       
a Guard Ulan unit makes no sense, any ideas

[trajan]

Steve, check out Garde-Ulanen-Regiment Nr. 2 also referred to as 2. Garde-Ulanen-Regiment:  see: http://wiki-de.genealogy.net/G_UR_2

Julian

[Steve1871]

Thanks there Julian, that wiki.de crams so much info, just wish they had a English translation feature, as always, your a big help

[Steve1871]

Rifle #39.       
3/21/22

Kar.71.      
 

Date.        1877
Maker.      Suhl
Sn:            5891
Unit           None    

Not up on my Gothis letters, there were two companies in Suhl making Kar.71, mine (?) CS  The bluing or browning as the Germans use to call it is worn off, but no rust and matching.  The stamping sin the stock, most are pretty crisp. Still had sling ring which most no longer have. Stock above average shape, few minor scratches. Simply a nice Karbine. Wish it had unit marked 

 

Using my I Phone, I simply can not keep photos right side up, change on phone, but when upload photos they change on their own.sorry about that

 

Edited 21 March , 2022 by Steve1871

[trajan]

I used to think these were the ugliest long firearms around but now I kinda like them! Lovely markings there, especially on the woodwork!

Julian

[AndyBsk]

The unit was on buttplate normally,the Carbine is in very nice condition,maker was V.C.Schilling of Suhl.

-and to previous mail and unit,why could be not Garde Uhlan Regt.? I answered it already.

[Steve1871]

Thanks guys

[Steve1871]

Sorry Andy, must have been thinking about something else

[Steve1871]

Forgot the best stamp in stock, just add

[Steve1871]

Rifle #40.       
3/26/22

Kar.71

date.         1876.      1877.  
Maker.       Steyr
Sn:             7900

Sadley, I am missing the nose cap on this piece, and no Karbine/sling ring, rest is matching, if ever find a nose cap, it will not match, a shame because I love the large, nice stock markings 

[Steve1871]

Rifle #41.       
3/26/22

M71/84.       Canadian Home Guard

Date.           1886
Maker.         Spandau 
Sn:               2419
Unit.             A Jaeger battalion, worn mostly  
                     Off

 

When Canada started shipping. Soldiers in mass to England for the Great War, The major cities, if they wanted a Guard/reserve force for their city, I understand that they had to provide for themselves. It was thought very unlikely that they would be attacked by Germany of coarse. There were a great number of types of surplus arms. I have always felt that the city of Quebec was kind of cash strapped, not being able to get the latest Enfield, but having arms for their Home Guard was also partly pride ( My opinion)

The Mauser 71/84, being outdated by the Lebel only 2 years after adoption, a lot of them can still be found in near new condition.  It is thought by many .Quebec only bought 200-300 M71/84’s from Bannerman in New York, then used a cheap Italian bayonet/scabbard and their own Quebec made frog’s  and slings to complete the outfit. Post war, mans were sporterized and cut down before turning many over to a religious group. But for now, My  rifle here, in great condition,  
 

The Rifle, Canadian/British sling and Canadian frog are all  punch stamped QHG for Quebec Home Guard

The rifle, matching still has crisp German markings as well as well as QHC a rare piece of Great War era history. 
 

I having an absolutely dreadful time  trying to upload my photo’s here, I have to give up for now, EVERY photo turns upside down or sideways no matter what position I start with. Will try finish ( photos) this post in a day or two

Edited 27 March , 2022 by Steve1871

[AndyBsk]

Interesting refurbishment of the Vetterli Vitali M1870 bayonet, should be probably mashined in slot area, interesting blunt tip and scabbard looks like not italian brass fittings.