brianmorris547 Posted 12 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 12 April , 2017 (edited) I am trying to assist Alison by doing FMP checks on the RE wounded OCL 06/09/1917 in order to see if any patterns emerge from surviving service and pension records which will help to identify which unit her ancestor 121966 Thomas Lloyd, who is named on this OCL, served with. 84649 Barton, Pnr W F is named on this OCL. EDIT: This partial list dates to January 1917, the service record of Pnr Calvert records that he was admitted to hospital on 06/01/1917, Sprs Goddard and Evans have hospital admissions in January and Pnr Smith served with the BEF until February 1917. Edited 10 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 12 April , 2017 Share Posted 12 April , 2017 I found 3 from my Grandfather's 126th Field Co RE which seems very unlike the details in the war diary for 1916 with days like 4 killed 12 wounded appearing. How complete is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 12 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 12 April , 2017 Gunner Bailey My notes tell me that the 1916 WDs of 126 FC and the other FCs of 21 Div (97 and 98) name other ranks. One of my future projects is to go through the 1916 RE WDs again to include them on my RE index. I now regard it as a basic check on any service number to do a FMP search to see if it brings up any of these floating documents which include casualty lists, leave lists, Police Gazette, London Gazette, British Jewry Book of Honour etc. I have done it for the service numbers of 30 Div RE with over 60 hits. Impossible to say how many there will be in any body of numbers, but there will be some. Would you mind passing the Casualty List numbers (starts with H, HA or HB) that you have on your three to me please and I will check if I have got them. Thanks Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 12 April , 2017 Share Posted 12 April , 2017 Hi Brian All I have is a copy of the war diary. Pages like this are typical. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 12 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 12 April , 2017 (edited) John If you have anyone in particular you want me to look up I will gladly do so. Brian Edited 13 April , 2017 by brianmorris547 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 12 April , 2017 Share Posted 12 April , 2017 Thanks Brian but no. My Grandfather survived without physical wounds but certainly came home shell shocked. He is mentioned once in the War Diary in 1917 but only in regard to a temporary posting. Having been in France from September 1915 he came home in late 1919 having finished the war in Cologne. He had a very tough time 1915-1918. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 14 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 14 April , 2017 (edited) Back to the 06/09/1917 OCL. Alison 136070 Wilcox Spr W is named on the OCL. This partial list (with his name mis spelt), shows that he was wounded serving with 254 Tunnelling Co. It may relate to the same event. Another Sapper on the OCL 132665 Hancock Spr H is named as a casualty on a on a 254 Tunnelling Co list as being admitted to 17 CCS with GSW on 31/07/1917. Another Sapper on the OCL 102270 Harper Spr J is named as a casualty on a 171 Tunnelling Co list as being admitted to 10 CCS with GSW on 01/08/1917. Another Sapper on the OCL 79942 McKay Spr J is named as a casualty on a 173 Tunnelling Co list as being sent to England ex 8 Staty Hosp on 08/08/1917. EDIT: Dates to August 1917. J Hayes was admitted to hospital on 01/08/1917. His Military History sheet records incised wound HA 12444 (which dates to August 1917). Edited 10 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 15 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 15 April , 2017 Alison Two more Tunnellers on the 06/09/1917 OCL. 102830 Clare 2/Cpl P H. Service Record shows that he was a Tunneller's Mate with 254 TC. 175893 Nightingale Spr A. Service Record shows that he was w in a on 31/07/1917 serving with 254 TC. (He was k in a on 03/11/1917 serving with 254 TC). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 15 April , 2017 Share Posted 15 April , 2017 Great stuff Brian thank you. I found a record and I think it was 253 coy for a Sapper on the list emailed. I will go back to ancestry and recheck details Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 15 April , 2017 Share Posted 15 April , 2017 It was 131168 Spr Percy Allen was in 233 Field Coy RE his service record is on ancestry. Reported gassed on 29 July 1917 seems moved to 422 coy thereafter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 16 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 16 April , 2017 Alison I found another Tunneller from 254 TC on the OCL. 102558 Wear Spr S (Samuel). He is named on Casualty List H 6764 dated March 1916 serving in 173 TC but his statement of services records that he was wounded on 31/07/1917 serving with 254 TC. Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 22 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 22 April , 2017 (edited) EDIT: Dates to September 1917. Gnrs Blenkinsop, (should be 294657) and Phillips were wounded on 26/09/1917 and Gnr Linnitt was wounded on 23/09/1917. Edited 10 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 23 April , 2017 Share Posted 23 April , 2017 Great stuff I can look on ancestry see if I can help. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 23 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 23 April , 2017 (edited) Forgot to mention Alison that the previous was not as a result of 06/09/1917 OCL but a name search on 50405 Gregory F who was on the 11/10/1916 OCL. It came up with that partial list with 520038 Gregory F A. Another partial here from a name check on 48384 Kelly J (also on the 11/10/1916 OCL) which comes up with 79821 Kelly J. EDIT: Dated to December 1916. Gnrs Cairns and Bowker were admitted with their self inflicted condition in late October early November 1916 and spent some time in hospital. Dvrs Humphries and Thomas of the Units shown have hospital admissions in December 1916 Edited 11 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 23 April , 2017 Share Posted 23 April , 2017 (edited) re post 112, Gnr Bauress is DailyList 29/10/17, as is Linnitt Penfold " " 1/11/17 So presumably a month earlier? Charlie Edited 23 April , 2017 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 24 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 24 April , 2017 Charlie Thank you Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 25 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 25 April , 2017 (edited) EDIT: Dates to December 1917. Edited 11 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 26 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 26 April , 2017 (edited) EDIT: Dates to July 1916, Salonica. Edited 11 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 27 April , 2017 Share Posted 27 April , 2017 Have you seen this book, Brian? It suggests it contains a list of Welsh miners who served in RE Tunnelling. Might this be of interest to Allison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 27 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 27 April , 2017 (edited) Thanks Charlie She is bound to notice it but I will send her a pm. EDIT: Dates to September 1917. Edited 11 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 28 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 28 April , 2017 The H number on this list dated 11/02/1916 is obscured so I will post it on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alisonmallen62 Posted 28 April , 2017 Share Posted 28 April , 2017 Hi all, thanks again for the help. Yes the book I do have it and saw several names of sappers who most probably knew or worked with Tom Lloyd because of the tiny place they came from. It gives info on those killed but the author appear to have missed out a lot who couldn't be found on ancestry or clearly identified etc. I have tried to make contact and put some questions to him. You never know I may get a response. Was hoping P Barton would respond regarding Tom Lloyd in his book Beneath Flanders Fields but nothing so far. Am waiting for further certs to arrive in case I can get a clue from them about Lloyd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 29 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 April , 2017 (edited) Alison The excellent documentary about 171 Tunnelling Co at the Vampyr was on again recently. It was presented by Peter Barton and Jeremy Banning. JB posts occasionally so you never know. The RE Details on this partial list are: 129545 Alfred C Gibbs. 25702 Robert Rankin. 131166 William Hopper. 67332 Wyndham H Hopkins. 100679 Harry Fidler. 45837 James Little. It dates to July 1916. Edited 11 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianmorris547 Posted 30 April , 2017 Author Share Posted 30 April , 2017 (edited) This partial list dates to 1917. Edited 11 March , 2022 by brianmorris547 additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 30 April , 2017 Share Posted 30 April , 2017 post 124. If it helps, RGA Webb and Harrison both have hospital admissions 12/8/17. The first for GSW and the second for gastritis. So your dates should be around then. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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