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Remembered Today:

Traffic chaos at the Menin Gate Memorial.


chrislock

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Maryline,

the difference is that the Last Post is a daily event, unlike the other commemorations gathering people just on one day.

A similar daily service is held every day at 6.30pm at the base of the Arc de Triomphe in Paris but the round-about with its busy traffic is a good way to stop a massive crowd of "tourists"... who don't know the existence of the underground to get there.

Sly

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It was very busy at 1pm today,never seen so many people in the day time at the gate

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A similar daily service is held every day at 6.30pm at the base of the Arc de Triomphe in Paris but the round-about with its busy traffic is a good way to stop a massive crowd of "tourists"... who don't know the existence of the underground to get there.

Sly

Even worse... I've been there a few times... most tourists (& others) don't even know what's going on when they see the daily designated honour guard appearing !!

I was there last year january on the "Rallye Tour Eiffel" march and had to explain to a FRENCH guy what was the story behind the ceremony.

Hello-oooh!!! Don't they teach history in schools anymore??

M.

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It's not surprising Maryline, unlike the Menin Gate the Arc de Triomphe is not a purely WW1 memorial, it was built in 1836 and for a very large majority of people it is more a sort of iconic symbol of Paris than a memorial.

Hello-oooh!!! Don't they teach history in schools anymore??

Unfortunately the time allowed to study WW1 in high school in France has reduced to 4 hours... all is said.
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It's not surprising Maryline, unlike the Menin Gate the Arc de Triomphe is not a purely WW1 memorial, it was built in 1836 and for a very large majority of people it is more a sort of iconic symbol of Paris than a memorial.

Really?? Darn ... and I thought it was modern art... built to celebrate the Millenium... ha ha !!

the ceremony of "ravivage de la flamme" though, dates 1923 and has been performed DAILY ever since... even under the occupation!! And like at Menin Gate, schools, veteran associations and units are invited to partipated, following a strict ceremonial and taking turns.

therefore my surprise - and horror - to still find Frenchmen who have no idea what the whole thing was about... in Belgium every schoolkid is told about the"Colonne du Congrès" and the "Onbekende Soldaat". If it had been a tourist, OK ... but a native, no way!

M.

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Not anymore actually... I lived in France for 3 years (sorry... in Alsace) ..

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The BBC Radio 4 programme "From Our Own Correspondent" broadcast yesterday carried a report by Chris Haslam on remembrance commercialism (or not) in Ypres.

I suppose the programme is still available on these "catch-up" things that I don't understand.

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The BBC Radio 4 programme "From Our Own Correspondent" broadcast yesterday carried a report by Chris Haslam on remembrance commercialism (or not) in Ypres.

I suppose the programme is still available on these "catch-up" things that I don't understand.

HERE

Tom

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I mention this on the Countryfile thread. I thought that it was remarkably caustic; 'Correspondent' pieces like this are usually whimsical but there was a real edge in the journalist's voice as he was describing the commercialisation.

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I think we have been over this question already and there is little else to add. The centenary has made more people aware of the Great War, The Menin Gate and the sounding of Last Post is an attraction to a wide range of people. The crowds and the commercialism are an unavoidable consequence. A pity, but there it is.

Old Tom

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Quite right, Tom; we may lament the days past when the attendees were fewer..yet my nephews (aged 9 and 6) went to the ceremony two weeks ago and found the whole experience extremely moving, prompting one of the young chaps to come up with the incredibly profound comment, the cherished ability of youth, 'why didn't they just put their rifles down and talk?'

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There's a summary here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29930997

You can listen direct or download a podcast. I won;t draw conclusions from the piece, just await reactions (probably needs own, new thread).

I saw this piece by Chris Haslam and thought of the poem 'High Wood' by Philip Johnstone:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is High Wood,

Called by the French, Bois des Fourneaux,

[...]

It has been said on good authority

That in the fighting for this patch of wood

Were killed somewhere above eight thousand men,

Of whom the greater part were buried here,

This mound on which you stand being...

Madame, please,

You are requested kindly not to touch

Or take away the Company's property

As souvenirs; you'll find we have on sale

A large variety, all guaranteed.

As I was saying, all is as it was,

This is an unknown British officer,

The tunic having lately rotted off.

Please follow me - this way...

the path, sir, please,

The ground which was secured at great expense

The Company keeps absolutely untouched,

And in that dug-out (genuine) we provide

Refreshments at a reasonable rate.

You are requested not to leave about

Paper, or ginger-beer bottles, or orange-peel,

There are waste-paper baskets at the gate."

This poem was first published in February 1918.

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