WW1 Military Motors - 1916 set x 50 cards

[Lancashire Fusilier]

A later version of the tank visor ( 2nd Pattern ), again designed to protect against ' Splash ', shown affixed to a standard Mark I steel helmet with the chain mail visor suspended from a wire rail fitted below the front brim. The chain mail is kept taut by two springs, one each side, which connect to two rings either side of the chinstrap mounts. Central to the chain mail is a hinged vertical rod that, when lowered, keeps the chain mail rigid, but when pushed forward forces the chain mail up and away from the wearer's eyes when not required.

The photographs, show the interior and exterior of the helmet fitted with the visor.

LF

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[patrick Eggs]

Hello

Well done for the good selection of Tank photo's, also good to see the Austin Armoured car's in the post no. 701/702/704/707/708 ,I am sure that you all know, they are the cars of the 17th Armoured Car Battalion and it is amazing that group of men (about 500) the ground that they covered in the last year of the war, all detailed in a report at the Imperial War Museum and the first into Calogne.

As a point of interest they have a Peerless AC at the Tank Museum, But I still think The old pure Austin is the best ( photo att.)

Crimson Rambler

[Lancashire Fusilier]

17th Armoured Car Battalion and it is amazing that group of men (about 500) the ground that they covered in the last year of the war, all detailed in a report at the Imperial War Museum and the first into Calogne.

Pleased to hear you are enjoying this Thread.

Perhaps you have seen these 17th Armoured Car Battalion photos before, however, I shall post them in case you have not, and also for the other interested members.

As you know the 17th Armoured Car Battalion went into Germany after the Armistice, and in 1919 went to Ireland. The 17th (Armoured Car) Battalion landed in Dublin on 18 January 1919, and the photo shows a 17th ( Armoured Car ) Battalion's Austin Armoured Car Model 1918 with the 17th's divisional sign, being the white/red/white stripes, shown on the side of the Armoured Car.

The photograph was taken outside the RIC Barracks at Ennis, Country Clare in November 1919.

Also attached is a photograph of Austin Armoured Cars from the 17th Armoured Car Battalion in Germany after the Armistice, and a nice photo of the Austin Armoured Car, Model 1918, with wheel chains.

Regards,

LF

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[Lancashire Fusilier]

Austin Armoured Cars of the 17th ( Armoured Car ) Battalion in Cologne, Germany after the Armistice.

LF

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[Lancashire Fusilier]

Nicely detailed photograph of an Austin Armoured Car Model 1918, fitted with wheel chains.

LF

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[patrick Eggs]

Hello LF

Many thanks for details on the !7th AC, I do have a family connection with them , My Dad was a Tank Corps man and part of the 17th AC from start to finish across france to Calogne and onto to Ireland . I have attached a photo of him in Calogne.(RH SJT.)

Thanks again

Crimson Rambler.

[patrick Eggs]

Just another thought this is a good photo of them in Ireland.Dad's head of the column.

Also you may note the austin is named Crimson Rambler.

Crimson Rambler.

[Lancashire Fusilier]

Just another thought this is a good photo of them in Ireland.Dad's head of the column.

Also you may note the austin is named Crimson Rambler.

Crimson Rambler.

Great photographs of your Dad with his unit and their Austin Armoured Cars, which I assume were painted ' Crimson ', so they must have looked very smart, and nice that you retained the ' Crimson Rambler ' connection.

Thanks for sharing.

Regards,

LF

[Lancashire Fusilier]

Issued to the first British tank crews in 1916 as a personal protection against head injury, the tank helmet was unfortunately sometimes mistaken for the German steel helmet when crews abandoned their vehicles in action ( with potentially disastrous consequences for the wearers ). Amongst tank crews headdress was often a matter of choice, therefore the standard Brodie pattern steel helmet was regularly worn as was the softer and more comfortable peaked service dress cap in place of the short-lived tank helmet. The helmet, shown here with the tank visor, is made of multi-panel brown leather sections riveted together with an internal leather sweatband.

LF

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[Lancashire Fusilier]

2nd Lieutenant Hassell's Tank Visor :

This First World War period protective face mask ( as issued to Tank Corps personnel ) was worn by 2nd Lieutenant Hassell in the Battle of Cambrai, 20 November 1917. 2nd Lt. Hassell commanded the tank ' Harrier ', one of 378 that took part in the historic attack.

He successfully advanced beyond the second Hindenburg line on to the village of Ribecourt and on to his final objective the third Hindenburg defence line (attained after 9am - after starting his advance at around 6.30am); later that day ' Harrier ' fell victim to German artillery fire (though all the crew evacuated safely).

The mask was designed to protect the tank crew from 'splash' - or flying metal splinters caused by the impact of bullets hitting the outer steel of the tank's body: 'In action if the tank was hit slivers of hot steel began to fly - bullets hitting the armoured plates caused melting and the splash, as in steel factories, was dangerous to the eyes. ( 2nd Lt. Hassell's account of his Cambrai experience is recorded in Malcolm Brown's 'The Imperial War Museum Book of the First World War' (Sidgwick & Jackson, 1991, pp 85-87, p.86

LF

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A tank, out in the open, was vulnerable to attack particularly if the tank was alone or during the action had become immobilised due to enemy action or an engine or other mechanical failure. This German photograph, shows German troops using a Flame Thrower, attacking and setting a British tank on fire.

LF

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[Lancashire Fusilier]

German tank crews also wore protective uniforms, and in the attached photographs ( 2 versions of the same photo ) we can see those German tank crew uniforms, which included one-piece leather or heavy fabric overalls, and a protective helmet, which oddly seems to resemble the British ' Brodie ' helmet.

So on the one hand, we see the British using a tank helmet which resembles the German steel helmet, and the Germans using a tank helmet which resembles the British steel helmet.

In the photograph, we can also see one of the German tank crew wearing a ' tank visor ', which is either a visor copied from the British ' tank visor ', or is a captured British tank visor, as the visor being worn by the German, looks identical to the British tank visor.

LF

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Two excellent and highly detailed photographs of ' Clyno ' motorcycle machine gun combinations, and their crews. The photos provide us with much detailed information on the ' Clyno ', the Vickers machine gun, and the uniforms and kit of the members of the motorcycle machine gun detachment.

Note, the use of the open topped pistol case/holster.

LF

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The 2nd hand-coloured photograph from the ' Dennis ' 1913 Motor Fire Engine Catalogue - The Wimbledon Fire Brigade's Fire Engine No.3

LF

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[patrick Eggs]

Hello again

17th. armoured Car Battalion looking after equipment.

Crimson Rambler.

[Lancashire Fusilier]

17th. armoured Car Battalion looking after equipment.

Another excellent photo of your Dad and some of the 17th AC's vehicles, which clearly show the 17th AC's divisional white/red/white stripe on their vehicles.

Thanks for posting.

LF

[Great War Truck]

British 13 pounder Anti-Aircraft Gun silhouetted in action during the Battle of Broodseinde ( October 1917 ) part of a larger offensive - the third Battle of Ypres - Original caption reads: " Official Photograph Taken On The British Western Front. Battle of Broodseinde Ridge. Anti-aircraft gun in action during the battle. ( Silhouette taken near Frezenberg )."

LF

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This photograph was used as the cover of the book " The last of the Doughboys".

[Lancashire Fusilier]

This photograph was used as the cover of the book " The last of the Doughboys".

Yes, well spotted, and it makes a very nice front cover illustration.

The American author, R. Rubin bases his book on a series of interviews he did with the last known survivors of the American Expeditionary Force

( AEF ) and their recollections of their service experiences in WW1.

The original photograph ( post # 830 ) which shows a 13 pdr. Anti-Aircraft Gun probably mounted on a Thornycroft Lorry and manned by British troops, is captioned to the Battle of Broodseinde ( October 1917 ), and was taken near Frezenberg.

LF

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[Lancashire Fusilier]

It is indeed a puzzle, as to why an American author from New York, Richard Rubin, writing a book on the exploits and memoirs of the last known surviving American veterans from the American Expeditionary Force ( AEF ) in World War One, and naming his book ' The Last of the Doughboys ', would choose to illustrate the front cover of that book with a photograph taken by a British Army Officer, Lt. Ernest Brooks, who was an Official British War Department Photographer, with that cover photograph showing British troops in action at the Battle of Broodseinde in October 1917, firing their British 13 pounder Anti-Aircraft Gun, mounted on a British Thornycroft Lorry, with no American in sight. There were certainly no American servicemen at the Battle of Broodseinde, fought in October 1917, just British troops and those from Australia and New Zealand.

And as there are countless excellent photographs of American troops in action during WW1, I would have thought it would have been far more appropriate to have used a photograph of American soldiers to portray ' The Last of the Doughboys '. Perhaps, Mr. Rubin was told they were American troops firing the AA Gun, or perhaps he just liked the photograph as it was very ' WW1 '.

Anyway, it is a very iconic WW1 photograph taken near St. Jean, Frenzenberg on 5th October, 1917.

The photographer, Ernest Brooks, who had a liking for silhouettes, also took another silhouette photograph at the Battle of Broodseinde showing troops from the 8th Battalion, East Yorkshire Regiment going up the line near Frenzenberg on 5th October, 1917, a copy of that photograph is attached.

Also attached, is a photograph of Lt. Ernest Brooks carrying his Goerz Anschutz plate camera.

Lt. Brooks had a chequered career serving as an Official War Department Photographer on the Western Front from March 1916 to early 1919, having previously covered the Dardanelles Campaign in 1915. In fact, Lt. Brooks was the only official photographer to cover the Battle of the Somme, recording the attack on the first day from front-line trenches near Beaumont Hamel.

He also covered the Italian Front and Naval subjects. After the War, he returned to newspaper photography.

Lt. Brooks was awarded the OBE and the BEM., however, following a scandal in 1925, reputedly regarding inappropriate photographs he took of the Prince of Wales, both his OBE and BEM were " cancelled and Annulled ". In 1928 he was also convicted of disorderly conduct in Grosvenor Square, London, so he seems to have had a very interesting life, during which he took some amazing photographs, and not without personal risk.

LF

Troops from the 8th Battalion, East Yorkshire Regiment going up the line near Frenzenberg on 5th October, 1917 during the Battle of Broodseinde.

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Lt. Ernest Brooks with his camera, in the trenches on the Western Front.

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[patrick Eggs]

Hello again

Previous Post no.11 card no.8 a British motor cycle, also part of the AC Battalion kit. of armoured cars a truck and staff car plus the motor cycle.

This photo is of Dad in his best kit.

Crimson Rambler.

[Lancashire Fusilier]

Previous Post no.11 card no.8 a British motor cycle, also part of the AC Battalion kit. of armoured cars a truck and staff car plus the motor cycle.

This photo is of Dad in his best kit.

Crimson Rambler.

It is important to record the equipment used by the 17th Armoured Car Battalion, so many thanks for posting.

LF

[Lancashire Fusilier]

Excellent view of King George V's ' Royal ' Rolls Royce, photographed at Calais 14th June, 1917 during one of the King's visits to the Front.

LF

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[johnboy]

When did the monarchs vehicles stop having a number plate?

[Lancashire Fusilier]

When did the monarchs vehicles stop having a number plate?

johnboy,

The Motor Car Act of 1903, required number plates to be fitted to all British vehicles as from 1st January 1904, and that is when the British Monarch was given the exemption, which relates only to the Sovereign.

Also, the Sovereign is not required to hold a British Driver's License, and the British Sovereign cannot be prosecuted for traffic offences, that is why today, Queen Elizabeth is well known for openly not wearing her seat belt when driving herself.

Although, King George V's vehicle had no number plate, Queen Mary's royal car had a number plate.

Attached are 2 photographs of the Queen's ' Royal ' Rolls Royce car during her visits to Boulogne on 6th June, 1917 and Hesdin on 7th June, 1917.

Regards,

LF

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