Service on Gallipoli

[bobpike]

I am compiling a database of men who served on Gallipoli but who then died in other theatres of war, in other words Gallipoli veterans.

I have trawled through the 'Additional Information' section on CWGS and have (I think) identified all those where it mentions service at Gallipoli, Dardanelles, Suvla Bay etc so I am intereted in those others who fit into this category of veterans whom members know of through their research.

Thank you

Bob Pike

[Chris_Baker]

That is one big job, Bob. Good luck!

For starters you can have my grandad's cousin Albert Baker: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=926157

[bobpike]

Thanks, Chris, yes I know it is, having ventured into the topic of 'Gallipoli Brothers,' but I know the Gallipoli Association' is thinking of compiling a sort of National Biography of people with Gallipoli connections and these will need to be included,Regards

Bob

[Pavster1980]

Hello Bob

Major Edgar Sawer M.C. was a Gallipoli Vet. He went on to serve in Egypt and Flanders. Drop me a message with your E-mail and I will mail you what I have. He was from England but served with the Australians as a machine gun expert, Awarded Military Cross and Mentioned In dispatches three times. Died age 40 on 31st May 1918.

Rich

[Alan Tucker]

After service at Gallipoli (Helles and Suvla) 9/Warks served in Mesopotamia and Dunsterforce. Those who died/commemorated at M and D are...

54 Baku/Tehran

6 Egypt (probably Meso casualties)

18 India (Meso casualties)

353 Mesopotamia

It is difficult to determine how many of these were Gallipoli vets and not drafts from England. They were not all killed in other theatres as amongst the Meso are deaths from malaria/climatic conditions etc. In addition one could have added those who were evacuated to home hospitals and subsequently died and are in municipal cemeteries etc. I suppose some work on service numbers (I am no expert) could let me isolate definite Gallipoli vets. I have some details for all the numbers given in a Warwicks database.

[bobpike]

Thanks, Rich, email address on way.

Alan, I appreciate the problems, but I'm making a start with those we have evidence of service on Gallipoli,

Bob

[Jim_Grundy]

Bob

Here are the men from Hucknall, Nottinghamshire, who served at Gallipoli before dying in other theatres:

15380 Pte. Ezra Bagnall, Lincolnshire Regiment. Served on the Peninsula with 6th Battalion, served with 5th & 8th battalions on the Western Front. Died of gas-induced bronchitis on 9th January 1920.

20226 L/Cpl. Thomas Beecroft, 2nd Notts & Derby, k.i.a. F&F 23rd March 1918. Served with 9th Battalion of the Shewood Foresters at Gallipoli.

PO/79(S) Sergeant Thomas Henry Blackamore, 2nd Battalion Royal Marine Light Infantry, died Germany 9th September 1918. Wounded with Portsmouth Battalion, RND, 3rd-6th May 1915 at Gallipoli. POW 28th April 1917.

Second Lieutenant (William) Alan Brodie, 3rd attd. 16th Royal Welsh Fusiliers, d.o.w. F&F 13th May 1918. Served on the Peninsula as 13085 Cpl., 9th Notts & Derby, where he was twice wounded.

20317 Pte. Joseph Crockett, 1st (Garrison) Battalion Notts & Derby, who drowned in Egypt 24th August 1916. He had served with 9th Battalion of the regiment at Gallipoli.

17161 L/Cpl. Anthony John Harley, 1st Battalion North Staffs., k.i.a. F&F 30th April 1916 after having been wounded & suffering from dysentry at Gallipoli.

G/9878 Pte. Charles Spencer Hughes, 4th Battalion Royal Fusiliers, k.i.a. F&F 9th November 1916. Served with the regiment at Gallipoli.

10280 Pte. Benjamin Moore, 6th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment, k.i.a. F&F 10th June 1917. Served with the battalion on the Peninsula.

24531 Pte. Jeremiah Nicholls, 9th Battalion Notts & Derby, k.i.a. 4th October 1917. Served with the battalion on the Peninsula.

18280 Pte. Sidney Radford, 6th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment, k.i.a. F&F 30th September 1916. Served with the same battalion on the Peninsula.

And one other man whose details can be found here:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Small-Town-Great-War-Hucknall-1914-1918/117600881609310?sk=notes#!/note.php?note_id=199666030052142

Hope this is of interest.

Regards,

Jim

[River97]

Bob,

Are you just interested in the British or Australians, Kiwi's, and Newfoundlander's as well. If so then there must be tens of thousands of them, that's one huge job.

One way to do the Australians would be troll through the Embarkation Rolls.

Cheers Andy.

[Murrough]

Pte Ambrose Kennedy 4475 5th Batt. Connaught Rangers was wounded 21/8/1915 at Gallipoli, transferred home to recuperate he later joined the 1st batt Connaught Rangers 20/2/1916 in Mespotamia where he died of Cholera on the 27/4/1916, all details confirmed on service record.

[bobpike]

Jim and Murrough

Thank you very much, that's just the information I want.

Andy.

Thank you, yes I'd like all who participated and embarkation rolls is definitely an avenue to explore, albeit a daunting one!

Bob

[mhifle]

Hi,

I have William Jackson from Dublin.

Born, Ranelagh, Dublin 17 Oct 1884, Occupation Carpenter and Builders Clerk, Single, Address 14 Grantham Street, Dublin

No. 7/14795 Private William Jackson, No. 16 Section, 16th Platoon ‘D’ Company, 7th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers

Disembarked at Suvla Bay, Gallipoli with M.E.F. 7 Aug 1915

Later wounded in Air raid on Salonika, 27 Feb 1917

Commission as Temporary 2nd Lieutenant in the 11th Battalion Royal Dublin Fusiliers, 29 Jan 1918

Attached to 23rd (1st Sportsman's) Battalion, Royal Fusiliers, France 10 Aug 1918

Killed in action, France 30 Sept 1918

From 23rd Battalion Royal Fusiliers War Diary

“On the early morning of the 30 Sept the Bn delivered an attack on the enemy positions of Mt L’Ouevre. The attack was unsuccessful and causalities of 2 Officers and 64 OR’s were sustained. In the evening of 30th Sept the Bn was relieved by the 52nd L I and the 24th R.Fus and moved back into bivouac positions west of Nine Wood.”

Regards Mark

[mhifle]

Pte Ambrose Kennedy 4475 5th Batt. Connaught Rangers was wounded 21/8/1915 at Gallipoli, transferred home to recuperate he later joined the 1st batt Connaught Rangers 20/2/1916 in Mespotamia where he died of Cholera on the 27/4/1916, all details confirmed on service record.

Hi,

A draft of 72 men from the 7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers,49th Brigade,16th Irish Division joined the 5th Connaught Rangers at Basingstoke, these men were transferred to help bring the 10th Irish Division up to strength on 12 June 1915. I think Pte Ambrose Kennedy (Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers number 14375) was part of this draft.

Regards Mark

[bobpike]

Mark

This is most interesting and just what I want, thank you,

Bob

[SFayers]

Hi Bob,

My gran's cousin Douglas Phillips was a RND Gallipoli vet who was later killed in action during the Battle of Miraumont on 17th February 1917. See my signature for details, and if you need more follow this link:

Cheers

Steve

[bobpike]

Steve,

Excellent, thank you,

Bob

[Murrough]

Hi,

A draft of 72 men from the 7th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers,49th Brigade,16th Irish Division joined the 5th Connaught Rangers at Basingstoke, these men were transferred to help bring the 10th Irish Division up to strength on 12 June 1915. I think Pte Ambrose Kennedy (Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers number 14375) was part of this draft.

Regards Mark

Thanks Mark,you are correct, he was a draft from the skins, was wouned at Kabak kuyu wells.

[SFayers]

Hi again Bob,

Just been checking through some of my notes, not a lot I'm afraid, but I do have some 1/5th Suffolk men for you:

Private 1880 (later 240308) Herbert Abbott , who would have landed with the battalion at Suvla 10th August 1915, died at 15th General Hospital on 22nd February 1918 in Egypt (still serving with the battalion); buried Alexandria (Hadra) War Memorial Cemetery.

Private 2484 (later 240612) Walter William Avis of D Company (would have landed at Suvla on 10th August 1915) was killed in a Turkish bombing raid on the battalion camp at Ramleh on 26th November 1917 (date of raid from the battalion history, though his death is recorded as 27th November); buried in Ramleh War Cemetery.

Private 1926 (later 240337) James Charles Leathers (landed at Suvla on 10th August 1915) died of wounds 30th November 1917 in Egypt; buried in Kantara War Memorial Cemetery. (James' brother, Private 240650 [ex 1/5th Battalion] William Robert Leathers was killed in action on 27th September 1917 during the 3rd Ypres serving with the 2nd Battalion Suffolk Regiment; he's commemorated on the Tyne Cot Memorial - but I don't think he was a Gallipoli veteren.)

Private 3354 Albert T Threadgold landed on Gallipoli as part of a replacement draft 8th October 1915. He later died in France on 19th October 1916 serving as Private 43924 in 9th Battalion; commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial.

All the best

Steve

[frev]

Hi Bob

From one lover of databases to another - here's some of my men:

AIF Men from Inglewood & District, Victoria – served Gallipoli – died other theatres:

BICE, Herbert Alexander – Pte 480, 10th Bn – 50th Bn – wounded Gallipoli Apr 1915 & France Aug 1916

KIA 9/6/1917 Messines Ridge, age 23 – Menin Gate Memorial

DESLANDES, Hector Leslie – L/Cpl 145, 22nd Bn – 6th MG Coy – Gallipoli Sept 1915 to evacuation

KIA 9/10/1917 Belgium – Menin Gate Memorial

EMMOTT, Robert Edmund – Cpl 1083, 6th Bn – wounded Gallipoli

KIA 15/4/1918 France – VB Memorial

MURRAY, Thomas James – Pte 216 – served Gallipoli 17/9/15 to evacuation – shell shock 1916

KIA 3/5/1917 Bullecourt, age 23 – VB Memorial

O’CONNELL, Albert – Pte 1546A, 24th Bn – served Gallipoli Sept 1915 (evac dysentery) – wounded twice 1917, gassed 1918

DOW 1/11/1918 (received 1/9/18 France) – Cardiff (Cathays) New Cemetery, Glamorganshire

PARKER, George Frederick – L/Cpl 950, 7th Bn – wounded 25/4/1915 Gallipoli, returned to Gallipoli just before evacuation

KIA 25/7/1916 Pozieres, age 23 – VB Memorial

PRYSE, Alexander Leslie – Pte 481, 21st Bn – 57th Bn – served Gallipoli Sept 1915 – evac 9/10/15 tumor in groin

DOW 15/7/1916 (shell fragment in back) – Rue-du-Bois Military Cemetery, Fleurbaix

SHEPHERD, Archie Gordon – Pte 1177 & 10673, 5th Bn – 3rd DSC – wounded 25/4/1915 Gallipoli (bullet left lung) – RTA Sept 1915 – resailed May 1916

Died from Diaphragmatic Hernia 3/11/1917 France – Longueness (St Omer) Souvenir Cemetery, Pas de Calais

[His brother Frank (2872, 6th Bn) – nothing definite in his records to say he served Gallipoli, though he arrived Egypt Oct / Nov – he was KIA 15/7/1916 Fromelles]

SMITH, Robert Frederick – Pte 747, 4th LH – 8th Bn – served Gallipoli 27/7/15 to evacuation

DOW 2/10/1916 (received 30/9/16) – Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery, Poperinge

SOULSBY, William Henry – Pte 2230, 5th Bn – served Gallipoli 5/8/15 – 1/11/15 (diphtheria)

KIA 25/4/1917 Lagnicourt, age 27 – Queant Road Cemetery, Buissy, Pas de Calais

TAYSOM, Clifford Lee – Pte 2698, 5th bn – served Gallipoli 7/12/15 – 13/12/15

KIA 25/7/1916 Pozieres, the day before his 24th birthday – VB Memorial

THOMPSON, James Roxburgh – 2nd Lieut 6th Bn – served Gallipoli 16/11/15 to evacuation

DOW (received Pozieres) 9/8/1916 – Etaples Military Cemetery, Pas de Calais

[His brother Cyril (1183, 5th Bn) KIA 10/8/1915 Lone Pine]

Cheers, Frev

[HERITAGE PLUS]

Pte.Charlie Fillis - 3/301 6th Batt. Wiltshire Regt.Died 6.11.1916 aged 42- Buried Grave III.C.18 Puchevillers British Cemetery

Served with 5 Wilts at Gallipoli, wounded there and on recovery drafted to 6 Wilts.

Dave

[SFayers]

A few more for you Bob,

Some MGC chaps this time:

Corporal 50254 Albert Ernest Barton, 214 Machine Gun Company, MGC (Infantry), from Ryde, Isle of Wight, killed in action 20th September 1917 during the 3rd Ypres; commemorated on the Tyne Cot Memorial. Formerly Private 1504 1/8th Hants Regiment, landed at Suvla on 10th August 1915.

Private 50220 George Walter Beckett, 163rd Machine Gun Company, MGC (Infantry), from Mildenhall, Suffolk, killed in action 27th March 1917 in Palestine; commemorated on the Jerusalem Memorial. Formerly Private 1675 1/5th Battalion Suffolk Regiment, landed at Suvla on 10th August 1915.

Private 50259 Clarence Frederick Hayden, 163rd Machine Gun Company, MGC (Infantry), from Sandown, Isle of Wight, killed in action 2nd November 1917 in Palestine; buried in Gaza War Cemetery. Formerly Private 1449 1/8th Hants Regiment, landed at Suvla on 10th August 1915.

Sergeant 50235 Bert Lorking, 54th Machine Gun Battalion (formerly 163rd Machine Gun Company), MGC (Infantry), from Sudbury, Suffolk, died 21st October 1918 in Egypt; buried in Alexandria (Hadra) War Memorial Cemetery. Formerly Sergeant 2470 1/5th Suffolk Regiment, landed at Suvla on 10th August 1915.

Private 50207 Thomas Bennett Shinn, 158th Brigade, MGC (Cavalry)*, from Stroud, Gloustershire, killed in action 9th March 1918 in Palestine; buried in Jerusalem War Cemetery. Formerly Private 2548 1/1st Hereford Regiment, landed at Suvla on 9th August 1915.

*Note: This is the CWGC entry for his unit - I strongly suspect, given the locality of his death, it should be 158th Machine Gun Company, MGC (Infantry).

All the best

Steve

[Jim_Grundy]

A British-born Australian, whose family lived in Bulwell (a suburb of Nottingham):

1193 Pte. Ernest Gee, 19th Battalion, A.I.F., died of wounds F&F 8th May 1917. Served Gallipoli before being evacuated suffering from dysentry.

[SFayers]

Another three, of which 2 are at present tentative:

Sergeant 50185 Francis James Dorrell MM, MGC (Infantry), from Tenbury Wells, Worcestershire, killed in action 9th March 1918 in Palestine; buried in Jerusalem War Cemetery. Formerly Lance Corporal 1627 1/1st Hereford Regiment, landed at Suvla on the 9th August 1915.

*Private 50156 Herbert Dowdy, 54th Machine Gun Battalion (formerly 163rd Machine Gun Company) MGC (Infantry), from Hunstanton, Norfolk, killed in action 19th September 1918 in Palestine; buried in Ramleh War Cemetery. Formerly Private 4806 Norfolk Regiment.

*Private 50166 Alfred Hensley, 163rd Machine Gun Company MGC (Infantry), died 8th February 1917 in Egypt; buried Kantara War Memorial Cemetery. Formerly Private 4610 Norfolk Regiment.

*Note: For these two men, both their MICs state theatre entry (2B) of 23rd November 1915 - I've yet to determine if either the 1/4th or 1/5th Norfolks received a replacement draft on Gallipoli at this time (they may, of course, have remained in Egypt until the Gallipoli evacuation).

[River97]

13 Private Albert Victor Allison, 25th Battalion, AIF, landed Gallipoli 4 September 1915, KIA Pozieres 29 July 1916.

286 Driver William Allison, 2nd Battalion, AIF, landed Gallipoli 14 June 1915, KIA, Ypres 6 November 1917.

Cheers Andy.

[bobpike]

Thank you all, this really is getting the database on its way, especially with the background information, too.

Great!

Bob

[River97]

1505 Private William Andrew, 9th Battalion, AIF, landed Gallipoli 6 May 1915, KIA France 22 April 1917.

5 Private Ernest Andrews, 13th Battalion, AIF, Landed Gallipoli ??? (could be an original lander), KIA France 11 April 1917, 4th Machine Gun Company.

Cheers Andy