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[Graham Stewart]

Hi Graham, it is unusual but I do'nt think we can say it would actually have been "T/15/LONDON" when photo's show different. I also have photo's showing just Q.W.R. or Q.V.R. both with no shoulder titles. The London Rifle Brigade in 1915 introduced a green L.R.B. on black cloth to replace the T/5/CITY OF LONDON, there is a photo somewhere showing both being worn. Also earlier on in this thread there is an exellent photo of a chap just wearing the L.R.B. title. Regards John

Considering that the other London units that adopted cloth titles c.1915, all appear to be worn at the top of the shoulder and below the seam of the shoulder strap, whereas this one is highly unusual being embroided into the strap itself in SD. One wonders if the County of London Territorial Association brought in 'abbreviated' cloth titles for certain London units as a measure of economy, considering the cost of "T/?/LONDON" metal titles.

[john gregory]

Considering that the other London units that adopted cloth titles c.1915, all appear to be worn at the top of the shoulder and below the seam of the shoulder strap, whereas this one is highly unusual being embroided into the strap itself in SD. One wonders if the County of London Territorial Association brought in 'abbreviated' cloth titles for certain London units as a measure of economy, considering the cost of "T/?/LONDON" metal titles.

Hi Graham, it's not on the epoulette it is below, regards John

[trenchtrotter]

Bob R aka robins2.

Thank you so much for your excellant contributions to this thread. Well done for sharing.

T C thanks for your recent excellant piccies and JG likewise thanks.

Anyoneelse please feel free to add more.

I have enjoyed every contribution so far.

TT

[Andrew Upton]

11th Btn London Regt.

strange photo with what appears to be mirror relaction of turban wearing photographer??

I think you'll find your "mirror reflection of a turban wearing photographer" will be a picture of the soldiers girlfriend/wife/mother, added to the picture by the photographer in a kind-of "thinking of you" way.

[Tyneside Chinaman]

Sergeants 19th (Bantam) Battalion DLI

[Tyneside Chinaman]

Sergeants 17th (Reserve) Battalion Durham LI, Those in the front row with the Officers all except one appear to have two medal ribbons up.

[Tyneside Chinaman]

Warrant Officers and Sergeants 26th (Territorial)Battalion Durham LI

Number 1 Platoon A Company 16th (Reserve) Battalion Durham LI

[Tyneside Chinaman]

Pioneer Shop 26th (Territorial) Battalion Durham LI.

The Pioneer Sergeant 6/2341 Sgt William Eddy had served oversea with 1/6th Bn and was renumbered 350394. Note although not authorised for the 26th Battalion he still wears his black 6th Bn Cap Badge. He can also be seen on the phot of the WO's and Sgts.

[Tyneside Chinaman]

Unknown wounded Durham Light Infantryman in Hospital Blue, taken at Blackpool May 1917

Pioneers of the 25th Provisional Battalion. Formed out of Home Service men of the Territorial Battalions of the regiment on 1 January 1917 25th Provisional Battalion became the 27th (Territorial) Battalion Durham LI. They remained in England throughout the war.

[Tyneside Chinaman]

Unidentified stretcher bearer Durham LI he has been wounded once.

[Tyneside Chinaman]

79229 Private Gladwin Robinson from Bradford served with 1/8th and 19th Battalion Durham LI.

[Tyneside Chinaman]

43763 Lance Corporal Theodore Gatiss 25th (Works) Battalion Durham LI

Originally enlisted as 31862 in No 7 Agricultural Company Northumberland Fusiliers on 8 Feb 1916. Transferred to DLI 14 May 1917. Re transferred to Labour Corps on 30 June 1917 served with 378 (Home service) Company Labour Corps att ASC Supply Depot.

[ARABIS]

Clyde & Fred 1917 [part 1].

Fred is a Leading Seaman with one good conduct badge serving in H.M.TORPEDO BOAT No.15 & Clyde is the Australian Army corporal sitting next to him. He has two long service? chevrons & two wound stripes on his left cuff. Can anyone identify the patch on his right shoulder?

David.

[Tyneside Chinaman]

30258 Private George Irving enlisted 9/12/15 served overseas with 10/Durham LI afterbeing wounded posted to 4/Durham LI then discharged on 24/7/17.

[Tyneside Chinaman]

2855 Private Albert Mawson 1/6th Durham LI Died of Wounds 16/10/15 and buried in Eldon St Marks Churchyard, County Durham.

[ARABIS]

Clyde & Fred [part 2].

[Tyneside Chinaman]

Hi

With regard to your ANZAC could he be 1018 Walter CLYDE Everett enlisted 8th AIF transferred to 5th AIF. He was 19 when he enlisted and 24 when he was discharged as a Corporal in 1919. He also had previous service in the 51st Battalion Militia? which would qualify him for the good conduct stripes and he was on leave in UK in January 1918.

He is the only Clyde I have found so far and its just a thought probably way off the mark but there are 52 pages of documents on line for him

regards

John

[john gregory]

Unknown 1/5th Notts and Derby

[john gregory]

Unknown 1/8th N/Derbys.

[ARABIS]

Hi

With regard to your ANZAC could he be 1018 Walter CLYDE Everett enlisted 8th AIF transferred to 5th AIF. He was 19 when he enlisted and 24 when he was discharged as a Corporal in 1919. He also had previous service in the 51st Battalion Militia? which would qualify him for the good conduct stripes and he was on leave in UK in January 1918.

He is the only Clyde I have found so far and its just a thought probably way off the mark but there are 52 pages of documents on line for him

regards

John

John,

Thanks very much for that.

Regards,

David.

[robins2]

I think you'll find your "mirror reflection of a turban wearing photographer" will be a picture of the soldiers girlfriend/wife/mother, added to the picture by the photographer in a kind-of "thinking of you" way.

on further observation I think you are right (Have to get my glasses checked??)

regards

Bob R.

[Andrew Hesketh]

Sgt.13640 Fred Abberley M.M., 2nd Battn. N/Derby, wounded 4-6-1915. K.I.A. with the North Staffs 20-9-1917

One of my Tibshelf men.

Worked prior to service as a miner at No 3 Colliery, Tibshelf. Lived with his parents. Former chorister and CLB. Enlisted 26 August 1914. MIC gives date of arrival in France as 26/1/1915. Shot in throat by sniper. He was buried where he fell but grave subsequently lost. Wounded once previously on 5/5/1916* and in hospital several weeks. Fought at Ypres, Hooge and Somme. Promoted to Corporal 26/2/1917.

MM award for rescuing injured soldier Charles Green, "... for carrying a wounded comrade 300 yards to safety whilst under heavy machine gun fire".

(*We have a discrepancy John. maybe he was wounded twice?)

[Muerrisch]

Clyde & Fred 1917 [part 1].

Fred is a Leading Seaman with one good conduct badge serving in H.M.TORPEDO BOAT No.15 & Clyde is the Australian Army corporal sitting next to him. He has two long service? chevrons & two wound stripes on his left cuff. Can anyone identify the patch on his right shoulder?

David.

from my MHS article:

The Great War involved the Colonies, whose soldiers served in very similar uniforms to the parent country. Canada in its own Canadian Militia Pay and Allowance Regulations 1914 followed the British system almost word for word regarding qualification and awards. The Australian usage is complicated, in that the Australian Imperial Force (AIF) (which fought overseas) and the Australian Military Forces (who were the permanent force based in Australia) followed different criteria. Taking the latter first, the badge was the same and the criteria were very similar to the British, and for good conduct as such. Standing Orders for Dress and Clothing, Citizen Forces MO 424/1912 and 58/1919 refer.

The AIF badge, a chevron as in the British service, was however for ‘long service and good conduct’ and appears to have been introduced on 24th January 1917 by AIF Order 470, Long Service Badges. Qualification was from the date of embarkation, one badge for each completed year overseas, for all ranks up to and including Warrant Officer, with no additional pay. These latter badges may well have become obsolete when the ‘chevrons for overseas service’ (AIF Order 1089 of 29th January 1918) were introduced, identical to the British issue, small chevrons, point up, worn lower right sleeve, one for each year overseas and manufactured in blue with the exception of that for 1914 which was red.

[john gregory]

Unknown N/D

[ARABIS]

from my MHS article:

The Great War involved the Colonies, whose soldiers served in very similar uniforms to the parent country. Canada in its own Canadian Militia Pay and Allowance Regulations 1914 followed the British system almost word for word regarding qualification and awards. The Australian usage is complicated, in that the Australian Imperial Force (AIF) (which fought overseas) and the Australian Military Forces (who were the permanent force based in Australia) followed different criteria. Taking the latter first, the badge was the same and the criteria were very similar to the British, and for good conduct as such. Standing Orders for Dress and Clothing, Citizen Forces MO 424/1912 and 58/1919 refer.

The AIF badge, a chevron as in the British service, was however for ‘long service and good conduct’ and appears to have been introduced on 24th January 1917 by AIF Order 470, Long Service Badges. Qualification was from the date of embarkation, one badge for each completed year overseas, for all ranks up to and including Warrant Officer, with no additional pay. These latter badges may well have become obsolete when the ‘chevrons for overseas service’ (AIF Order 1089 of 29th January 1918) were introduced, identical to the British issue, small chevrons, point up, worn lower right sleeve, one for each year overseas and manufactured in blue with the exception of that for 1914 which was red.

GRUMPY,

Thanks for clearing that up, long service & good conduct badges they are then.

David.