Stebie9173 Posted 17 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 17 October , 2005 Christina, All of the Tuckers: 29794 / 7 / 21-Oct-16 / 14314 Pte. I. A. Tucker, Notts. & Derby. R. 29731 / 6 / 04-Sep-16 / 8630 Sjt. W. J. Tucker, Devon. R. 29805 / 11 / 27-Oct-16 / Z/452 Sjt. F. Tucker, Rif. Brig. 29749 / 9 / 14-Sep-16 / 10446 Sjt. R. H. Tucker, R. Berks. R. 29854 / 15 / 09-Dec-16 / 16274 L/C. A. Tucker, Som. L.I. 29719 / 6 / 23-Aug-16 / 18036 Pte. S. Tucker, York. R. 29608 / 45 / 03-Jun-16 / 2560 Sjt. S. Tucker, 16th Bn., Lond. R. (T.F.). 29819 / 15 / 11-Nov-16 / 9273 Sjt. S. Tucker, R. W. Surr. R. 29780 / 11 / 10-Oct-16 / 9249 Pte (Actg Cpl). E. Tucker, R. Suss. R. 29758 / 6 / 21-Sep-16 / 3/6797 Pte. W. H. Tucker, York. R. Hope you find you man! Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 17 October , 2005 Share Posted 17 October , 2005 Steve, Thought I would answer your query in the message you kindly sent with the Rifle Brigade MM's as it might be useful to other members. The prefix letters in The Rifle Brigade did not signify battalions but signified as follows Regulars 1 through 11657+ Territorials attached to the Corps of The Rifle Brigade & Transfers from other units and the Training Reserve 40432 through 58074 + Special Reservists 5/1 through 5/9976+ 6/1 through 6/9900+ Army Reservists (original number reallocated) Army Reservists (discharged the reserve and reenlisted) B/1 through B/3514+ Men posted from Training Reserve Battalions B/200000 through B/203737 New Armies S/1 through S/38107+ Men enlisting as Special Reservists (one year) and Men enlisting for 3 year Short Service Enlistments Z/1 through Z/2997+ RB Training Reserve Battalions TR/13/1481+ through TR/13/8488 Territorial Battalions of the Rifle Brigade 18th London, 19th Western, 20th Northern, 21st Midland, 22nd Wessex and Welsh, 23rd North West, 24th Home Counties, 25th Reserve, No 32 (RB) T.F. Depot Formed from the National Reservists in November of 1915 as Provisional Territorial Battalions - Each started its Regimental Numbering at No1. In July of 1916 (in common with all the T.F.) Numbering was begun at 200000 upwards through 212850. Although these Battalions had very little to do with the Rifle Brigade at all and were used for garrisoning. The two prefix's unknown at present, but I am working on them as we speak are O/1 through 0/984+ P/1 through P/4365+ The P's are forming up quite nicely so I should be able to put something to paper on this prefix fairly shortly, as long as I do not get sidetracked, which happens when I find out something else of interest. The O prefix is still escaping me, lots more service records to go through to get some sort of common ground to this prefix. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 17 October , 2005 Share Posted 17 October , 2005 I should add that this research has been carried out by Irv Mortenson who collects and researchs The Kings Royal Rifle Corps, and a nice piece of research it is too. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 17 October , 2005 Share Posted 17 October , 2005 Steve, Thanks for offering the results of your hard work. You may recall a discussion we had a while ago when I bemoaned my inability to make the LG's search engine do what I want, so is there any chance of details of any Sherwood Foresters? Thanks mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 17 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 17 October , 2005 For Paul J. and Matthew, Forgot to send you the Bars awards Suffering from e-mail fatigue so here they are: Bars to MMs Gazette / Page / Date / Details 29701 / 7 / 10-Aug-16 / 1569 Pte. W. S. Clark, Lond. R. (T.F.). (MM 3-6-16) 29701 / 7 / 10-Aug-16 / 1862 Sjt. J. Newman, Lond. R. (T.F.). (MM 3-6-16) 29873 / 8 / 21-Dec-16 / 2881 Cpl. J. M. Edwards, Lond. R. (MM 10-8-16) 29873 / 8 / 21-Dec-16 / 3163 L./C. H. L. Jarman, Lond. R. (MM 10-8-16) 29873 / 8 / 21-Dec-16 / 2390 Cpl. J. T. Nunn, Lond. R. (MM 10-8-16) 29873 / 8 / 21-Dec-16 / 3177 L./C. A. C. Griffiths, Lond. R. (MM 14-9-16) 29873 / 8 / 21-Dec-16 / 3577 L./C. F. R. Penn, Lond. R. (MM 14-9-16) 29854 / 9 / 09-Dec-16 / 2812 L./C. J. F. Mills, Lond. R. (MM 3-6-16) 29854 / 9 / 09-Dec-16 / 1269 Sjt. W. C. Church, Lond. R. (MM 14-9-16) That should be yer lot, Steve. P.S. Stuart, Andy, Andy, Chris, Roger. Bars for your Regiments are not missing. None were awarded in 1916 it seems. The proportion is pretty low. 2 out of 300 for the King's Liverpools, 9 out of 700 for the Londons. Exceptional men... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Nixon Posted 18 October , 2005 Share Posted 18 October , 2005 Paul, Ernest Still. There is this one: Gazette No/ page / date / details. 29780 / 10 / 10-Oct-16 / 1657 Actg Cpl. E. Still, R. Suss. R. Who would be this man: Medal card of Still, Ernest Corps Regiment No Rank Royal Sussex Regiment G/1657 Private Royal Sussex Regiment G/1657 Corporal http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...1&resultcount=2 Name and time right. Wrong rank, and no mention of S/Mjr or even attaining it, and no mention of a trench mortar battery, either. Only other Still is this one: 29854 / 14 / 09-Dec-16 / M2/194988 Pte. F. Still, A.S.C. and M. Gun Corps. He's one of the tank drivers at Fler-Courcellete. D11 - Die Hard to be exact. No other Stills or likely variations during 1916 or up to Aug 1917, either. Any good? Steve. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve It's going to be the first man you mention, thanks very much. Ernest was one of five Sussex brothers who served during WW1. The information I gave you comes from Chailey's Parish Magazine and may refer to his rank/regiment at the end of the war rather than at the time he won his MM. Cheers for your help. When you complete 1917 I'll be knocking at your door again. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Hesketh Posted 19 October , 2005 Share Posted 19 October , 2005 Public acknowledgement to Steve for the SF details. This is a fantastic bit of information that must have taken many, many hours to piece together (even for a master of the evil LG search engine). Thanks for making it available Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve fuller Posted 19 October , 2005 Share Posted 19 October , 2005 What a hero No clues who Im interested in mate. If the Bedfords are easily available, Id be VERY happy to see the list & start expanding on the entries. Y'know mate, you have FAR too much time on your hands, but I for one am REALLY pleased you do Cheers mate Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 19 October , 2005 Share Posted 19 October , 2005 Steve ! Hi - how are you?? This is a wonderful piece of work you're doing and everybody thanks you -very much - especially me!! One of my guys - is listed as 18th Lancers - is this information I have found - the right one?? From India Army list January 1912 Surname - Marsh Given Name - Cunliffe Hebbert Birth Date - 30 Oct 1878 First commissioned - 20 May 1899 Date Rank - 20 May 1908 Rank - Captain Company - British Officers of the Indian Army Remarks - 18 Lancers The 18th Bengal Cavalry (1861 title) was raised in 1858 at Gwalior as the Tiwana Horse. The latter joined with the 2nd Mahratta Horse in 1861. Tiwanas were a Mussalman Rajput class from Jhelum & Shahpur (both now in Pakistan). The Regt served in the 2nd Afghan war and in the Tirah Expedition of 1897/98. In 1903 they became the 18th Tiwana Lancers, then in 1906 the 18th (Prince of Wales's Own) Tiwana Lancers. In this guise they acted as King George V's escort for the state entry into Delhi for the Coronation Durbar. The Regt was in France in December 1914, transferring to Palestine in 1918. It returned to India in November 1920, and amalgamated with the 19th Lancers (Fane's Horse) at New Delhi on 23 Aug 1921, as the 18th/19th Lancers. This regiment played a distinguished role in WW2 as 19th King George V's Own Lancers. At partition in 1947 the regiment was allotted to Pakistan, and is now known simply as the 19th Lancers. Would he have appeared in The London Gazette or would he have been reported in The Times. Do you have access to The Gazette of India or these others - the Civil and Military Gazette or The Times of India?? How's that for a stumping one .......... ? Thanking you in advance Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 19 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 19 October , 2005 Hi, Annie. Captain/Major Cunliffe Herbert Marsh. The War Years.... LG 7-1-1916 The King's Own Scottish Borderers. Captain Cunliffe H. Marsh, D.S.O., (18th King George's Own Lancers, Indian Army) to be temporary Major. Dated 17th November, 1915. LG 1-4-1916 The King's Own Scottish Borderers. Temporary Major Basil J. B. Coulson to be temporary Lieutenant-Colonel whilst commanding a Battalion. Dated from 28th November, 1915, to llth February, 1916. Temporary Major Cunliffe H. Marsh,D.S.O. (Captain, 18th King George's Own Lancers, Indian Army), to be temporary Lieutenant-Colonel whilst commanding a Battalion. Dated 12th February, 1916. LG 8-5-1916 K.O. Sco. Bord. Temp. Maj. C. H. Marsh, D.S.O. (Capt.,. 18th King George's Own Lancers, Ind. Army), relinquishes the temp, rank of Lt.-Col. on ceasing to comd. a Bn. 16 Apr-1916. LG 25-8-1916 Cam'n Highrs. Temp. Maj. C. H. Marsh, D.S.O., from K. O. Sco. Bord., to be temp. Maj. 10 Aug. 1916, but with seniority from 17 Nov. 1915. LG 21-9-1916 Cam'n Highrs. Temp. Maj. C. H. Marsh, D.S.O. (Capt. Ind. Army) to be temp. Lt.-Col. whilst comdg. a Bn. 13 May 1916. LG 24-5-1917 C'am'n Highrs. Maj. C. H. Marsh, D.S.O. (Ind. Army) relinquishes the actg. rank of Lt.-Col. on ceasing to comd. a Bn. 17 Jan. 1917. LG 14-3-1919 10th Jats. Maj. C. H. Marsh, D.S.O., to be actg. Lieut.-Col. while comdg. a battn. 9th June 1918. Capt. (actg. Lieut.-Col.) H. J. Huxford relinquishes the actg. rank on ceasing to command a battn. 25th May 1918. And earlier: LG 15-1-1901 The Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment), The promotion to the rank of Lieutenant of Second Lieutenant E. C. Fane antedated to 1st August, 1900, on augmentation. Second Lieutenant C. H. Marsh to be Lieutenant. - v i c e M. A. Ord, promoted. Dated 14th. November, 1900. LG 12-2-1901 The Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment), The promotion to the rank of Lieutenant of Second Lieutenant C. H. Marsh is antedated to 8th August, 1900, vice A. Delme-Radcliffe, transferred to the Indian Staff Corps. LG 8-2-1901 More than a slight mention in despatches! Second Lieutenant C. H. Marsh, 1st Bn. South Lancashire Regiment.—The gallant conduct of this young Officer on 27th February was brought specially to my notice. After his company commander was wounded he behaved in a most gallant manner, encouraging his men, who were exposed to a heavy shrapnel, machine gun, and rifle fire. A wound which he had received on the 23rd January had broken out and was bleeding. Link to whole desptach: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...&selHonourType= LG 3-12-1901 The Prince of Wales's Volunteers (South Lancashire Regiment), Lieutenant Cunliffe H. Marsh, D.S.O., to be seconded for service with the Indian Staff Corps. Dated 23rd September, 1901. The promotion to the rank of Lieutenant of Second Lieutenant G. H. Garratt is antedatedto 23rd September, 1901, vice C. H. Marsh, D.S.O. LG 16-1-1903 To be Lieutenants. Lieutenant Cunliffe Herbert Marsh, D.S.O., from the South Lancashire Regiment. Dated 6th September, 1902, but to rank from 8th August, 1900. Hope there is something of interest in there... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 19 October , 2005 Share Posted 19 October , 2005 Steve! Oh! there's probably a little bit of interest there ........!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Thank you so very much! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted 20 October , 2005 Share Posted 20 October , 2005 29749 / 9 / 14-Sep-16 / 10446 Sjt. R. H. Tucker, R. Berks. R. Thanks Stebie The R H Tucker of the Royal Berkshire Regt could well be him, the regiment is right. I will follow that one up. Keep up the great work, and many thanks. Regards Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 27 October , 2005 Share Posted 27 October , 2005 29749 / 9 / 14-Sep-16 / 10446 Sjt. R. H. Tucker, R. Berks. R. Thanks Stebie The R H Tucker of the Royal Berkshire Regt could well be him, the regiment is right. I will follow that one up. Keep up the great work, and many thanks. Regards Christina <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Steve ! I have one I can find nothing on ! and even though I haven't been able to find an MIC and although I've asked you before - I wondered if you could please take another look - now you're indexed! I'd appreciate it! Lt EF Oakley South Lancs Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 27 October , 2005 Author Share Posted 27 October , 2005 It's the Military Medals I've got indexed to 1916. 1917 coming very soon, folks! Not the whole Gazette!!!, I just know some low down cunning tricks to fool the Gazette into giving up its secrets. I'll have another look, though... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 27 October , 2005 Share Posted 27 October , 2005 It's the Military Medals I've got indexed to 1916. 1917 coming very soon, folks! Not the whole Gazette!!!, I just know some low down cunning tricks to fool the Gazette into giving up its secrets. I'll have another look, though... Steve. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Stebie Stebie! I've got him! - quite a few Gazettes but apparently he was related to the Royal Family somehow - still checking! So now you can relax and take it easy! Thank you so much for all you've done! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted 28 October , 2005 Share Posted 28 October , 2005 29749 / 9 / 14-Sep-16 / 10446 Sjt. R. H. Tucker, R. Berks. R. Thanks Stebie The R H Tucker of the Royal Berkshire Regt could well be him, the regiment is right. I will follow that one up. Keep up the great work, and many thanks. Regards Christina <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hi Stebie Unfortunately it wasn't mine its a Reginald H Tucker. Mine is Robert or Harry. Oh well! back to the drawing board. Regards Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DianeHatwell Posted 12 November , 2005 Share Posted 12 November , 2005 i am a real newbie here, but am looking for my grandmother's husband Daniel Percival Ratcliffe. We know he got the MM, it is listed on his grave, but is not on his medal card. But his medal card only lists his first 2 regiments, the Royal Welch Fusiliers and the Sherwood Foresters. He was in the Middlesex Regiment prior to those 2. I couldnt see the index -- am i missing something? Is he there by some amazing chance? thanks Diane Hatwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 12 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2005 Diane, I have the Index on my PC. It is still a WIP. Once complete I may well get it put up on the Net somewhere. In the meantime: He's not on my 1916 list, but I have JUST completed the Index of 1917. He is on page 5 of Issue 29893, dated 06-Jan-17 "45640 Pte. D. P. Ratcliffe, R. W. Fus." Link to the relevant page in the London Gazette: http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/archiveVi...&selHonourType= There are no citations published for Military Medals, unfortunately. A citation would have been made in the official records, but those for the MM are lost. Citations occasionally show up in battalion or brigade histories, and an entry in the war diary may tell you exactly when it was won. Often MM winners were mentioned in local papers of the time which can be looked at on Microfilm at a library local to where he lived. Depending on what Battalion he was in I would think that it is likely that he won his MM sometime around September/October 1916. Perhaps, at the battle of Thiepval or Morval on 25th/26th September 1916. I hope this helps, Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 12 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2005 Just to let everyone know 1917 Mms Index is now available. Please feel free to ask in this topic or the specific 1917 topic HERE Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DianeHatwell Posted 12 November , 2005 Share Posted 12 November , 2005 Steve, you have made a whole family very happy, and a lot of dusty old books less harassed. I wonder why it is not on his medal card? thanks a lot Diane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 12 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 12 November , 2005 MMs have separate medal cards, Diane. MMs are only occasionally referenced to on his Service Medals MIC, and usually then only with a simple "MM" They are usually referenced by his initials. i.e. D P Ratclife The information they contain is usually: Name and number. Exact unit at the time (if you don't know his exact unit I'd recommend you download it) Date of London Gazette in which it appears (You now know this info!) If you search for D P Ratcliffe on the MICs you should find it. I'd post a link but the MIC search seems to be down at the moment! Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DianeHatwell Posted 13 November , 2005 Share Posted 13 November , 2005 Thanks again Steve, not sure i understand all of that, but will look on the archives site for another card. I am a real newbie here, mostly making it up as i go along! i am so glad there are some helping hands. Diane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 13 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 13 November , 2005 I'll find the card for you once the National Archives MIC search lets me, Diane. I know it's there, I saw it. The NA site tends to have it's moments when you get nothing coming up. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DianeHatwell Posted 13 November , 2005 Share Posted 13 November , 2005 I have one card Steve, with D P Ratcliffe's details, have you seen a separate one that might have his MM on? Diane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 13 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 13 November , 2005 Diane, This one has his Military Medal on it. All medal cards from series WO372/23 have either Military Medal info, Distinguished Conduct Medal info or info on Women's Service Medals. It still won't show a citation, though. Description Medal card of Ratcliffe, D P Corps Regiment No Rank Royal Welsh Fusiliers 45640 Private Date 1914-1920 Catalogue reference WO 372/23 Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War Piece Women's Services, Distinguished Conduct Medals and Military Medals http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...esultcount=1634 If you look at these results you will see there are two medal cards: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documen...=1&mediaarray=* Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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