GreyC Posted 18 April Share Posted 18 April His rank is given a Leutnant d. Landwehr which doesn´t correspond with the description of "financial specialist". As such he might have been a Zahlmeister or a Kassier or Hilfskassier. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael Lowrey Posted 18 April Share Posted 18 April Gerhard Mackensen (note first name) last name spelled as Makensen in the Ehrenrangliste, born February 8, 1877, entered service October 1900, Marine-Oberingenieur der Reserve February 10, 1912, Marine-Stabsingenieur der Reserve August 18, 1916. Watch engineer on Breslau to March 1915, then back to Germany. Out of service December 31, 1918. German decorations in early 1918 are the EK2 plus the Hamburg’s Hanseatic Cross, Brunswick’s Kriegsverdienstkreuz plus a prewar Landwehrdienstauszeichnung 2nd Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 19 April Share Posted 19 April 9 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Martinengo Carlos ObLt Oberleutnant Carlos Josef Alexander Martinengo, born 19 August 1889. Originally commissioned into Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 28. on 18 August 1911 with seniority (Patent) of 20.8.09. He was promoted to Oberleutnant on 18.8.15 and to Hauptmann on 18.8.18. Finally on the staff of the chief of staff of the field army. Retired from active service on 14 July 1919. He rejoined the Wehrmacht in the mid thirties as an Ergänzungsoffizier and in 1938 was a Major (E) with seniority of 1.3.38 on the staff of the Wehrmacht welfare office in Hannover. Ultimately an Oberst (1.12.42) and head of welfare at XVII. Armee-Korps (home station). With regards to Lutz and Lütz, I think one must accept that it will not always be possible to definitively identify and confirm the service of many individuals (especially junior army officers) given the lack of surviving documentation. In the case of Lütz, he is indeed shown on the order of battle of Heeresgruppe "Jilderim" but unfortunately I cannot find any artillery officer of that rank (yet). Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 19 April Share Posted 19 April 20 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Mahlstedt Stefan Capt / Hptm I have checked the names of every serving official of the Pproviantamts career of the military administration in all four contingents plus the navy. There is no official of that name. Similarly there was no commissioned officer apart from a couple of very junior Leutnants (Alfred and Friedrich) commissioned in late 1916 and a veterinary officer (Georg Mahlstedt). I suppose there is a possibility that he was a Beamtenstellvertreter holding down an inspector's post whilst in theatre. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 19 April Share Posted 19 April 19 hours ago, Michael Lowrey said: Gerhard Mackensen (note first name) I can't imagine where Wolf gets the name Erich from? His full name was Ludwig Carl Gerhard Mackensen. He was a ships' engineer in civilian life working in Hamburg before the war. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 19 April Author Share Posted 19 April Mates, Yes the veriations from book to book and translations causes all types of problems, nothing we don't know and had before. That's why I mention these names, as after checking records I failed to confirm them anywhere, and why I don't show every name in that book, so your help is needed to find who's who in the zoo. Its part of the fun? Todays Matthiesen Ernest Kapt-Lt Marine Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando Usedom) - Mines clearance command - commander of the Istanbul Bosphorus mines in special forces - CO Shore Bty II and Mine Sweeping Sqn at Zunguldak 1914-16 Kaiserliche Marine awarded EK II 26-3-15 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book (not identified)? Matz Karl Ingenieur (Ing) Marine Ingenieur (Engineer officer) SMS Goeben (Yavuz) 1916-17 Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Meier ObLt Deutsche Militär-Mission in der Türkei - General Weber's command Edirne Fortification officer Edirne'de Atesçi Subayi (staff to) General Weber'in komutasinda (Under the command of General Attorney General Weber at Edirne) - shown Feuerwerks (Ordnance) Artillery officer at Edirne and with General Webber in the Straits High Command 1914-18 (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April Karl Matz, born March 2, 1895, entered naval service June 1915 (had been in the army from August 1914), was another non-commissioned officer during the war. He’s on Goeben from March or April 1916 to September 1917 when he attends the Engineer and Warrant officer School, emerging as a Marine-Ingenieuraspirant (warrant officer commissioned-officer candidate) on August 1, 1918. He’s then on a path to be a U-boat LI. Out of service March 31, 1920. Charakter as Leutnat (I) June 5, 1920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April Ernest Matthiesen, born September 4, 1874, entered service October 1896, Kapitänleutnant der Reserve December 7, 1907. Sonderkommando Türkei, commander of the Bosphorus minesweeping division to December 1916, when he returns to Germany. Out of service February 20, 1917. Died March 21, 1917. German decoration in August 1916 is the EK2 and the Landwehrdienstauszeichnung 2nd Class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April 17 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Meier ObLt Prussian army Oberfeuerwerker and Ottoman Lieutenant Karl Friedrich Andreas Meier, born 18 December 1888. Entered military service on 1 October 1908 and promoted to Feuerwerker on 1 April 1912. Arrived in Constantinople in June 1914 as part of the Liman mission. He authored a couple of articles in the history of the German Feuerwerker branch (1936) and is shown as an Oberleutnant a.D. He is number 61 in the list of the military mission members in General Kannengießer's book. In 1940 an Hauptmann (W) z.D. with the army ordnance office in Güstrow and in 1942 in Mainz. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 20 April Author Share Posted 20 April Cheers mates, Todays Meis Albert LtzS deR - Kapt-Lt Marine Torpidobot komutani olan (Torpedo Boat Commander) Ottoman Navy to General auxiliary ship Armed steam Yacht "Loreley" 12-17 (from Humann) shown "Samsun" to "Loreley" shown Ottoman Torpedo Boat Half Flotilla 1918 meis mit führung tender Loreley beauftragt (mostly tasked with guiding tender "Loreley") 1914-18 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Meisner Erich Baumeister Marine Responsible for ships engines in the MMD (Military Mediterranean Division) 1915-16 Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book (not identified)? Mertz Heinz Funk LtzS to ObLtzS Marine Wireless officer SMS Goeben (Yavuz) to Mine Sweeping Sqn 10-16 to 10-17 rtn (shown Stab MMD (Mittelmeer-Division) under Rebeur-Paschwitz) on SMS Goeben 10-17 to 10-18 to Signals officer Mines clearance command - Mine Sweeping Sqn 10-18 1915-18 Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book (not identified)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 21 April Share Posted 21 April Heinz Mertz, born July 22, 1896, Crew 1914, Leutnant zur See July 13, 1916, Goeben and the staff of the Mittelmeerdivision from July.August 1915 to August 1916, then on a radio course in Germany to October 1916, then back in theater as Goeben head radio officer to October 1917, then with the Mittelmeerdivision as a radio officer to the end of teh war. Out of service November 24, 1919. Charakter as Oberleutnant zur See August 26, 1922. Looks to have been from Württemberg. German decorations by early 1918 are the EK2 plus Württemberg’s Friedrichs-Orden 2nd Class and Militärverdienstmedaille in silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 21 April Share Posted 21 April Albert Meis, born June 19, 1882, entered service October 1, 1905, Oberleutnant der Reserve October 14, 1911, Kapitänleutnant der Reserve July 13, 1916. Detachment head, steamer General then Olga to January 1915. Turkish torpedo boat Samsun, commanding officer to December 1917 then CO, Loreley to the end of the war. Out of service December 12, 1918. German decoration in early 1918 is the EK1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 21 April Share Posted 21 April Erich Meisner. Glenn will have more information. For now: Maschinenbaumeister September 28, 1907 (= Kapitänleutnant), Marine-Baurat for Maschinbau (= Korvettenkapitän), January 21, 1918. German decorations as of early 1918 are the EK2 (normal version, not the non-combat related version) and Hamburg's Hanseatic Cross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 21 April Share Posted 21 April 1 hour ago, Michael Lowrey said: Erich Meisner. Glenn will have more information. I can add this: Erich Robert Meisner, born 29 December 1879 in Hamburg. Entered the naval administration on 6 April 1904 as a Bauführer in the machine construction career. Prior to his substantive promotion to Marine-Baurat on 21 January 1918, he had been raised to the Charakter of that rank on 28 September 1916. Throughout the war he simultaneously held his naval officers' rank of a Leutnant der Seewehr (2nd levy) with seniority from 11.9.04. Died 26 September 1950 in Berlin-Nikolassee. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 21 April Share Posted 21 April 2 hours ago, Michael Lowrey said: Looks to have been from Württemberg. Hi Michael, yes, he was. Born in the town with the rather un-German looking name of Owen, about twenty five miles South East of Stuttgart. Also holder of the Medjidie Order 4th class and war medal. He qualified as a lawyer with a doctorate of jurisprudence and in the thirties was practicing in Stuttgart. Mobilised in WW2, rising to the rank of a Korvetten-Kapitän der Reserve on 1.10.41. Still alive in 1969 and living in Stuttgart. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 21 April Share Posted 21 April I will anticipate the rather oddly entered Fred Meyr. Kapitänleutnant d.R. Dr. Alfred Meyra genannt Meyr, born 27 May 1885 at Konstanz. Originally an active naval medical officer who at the outbreak of the war was a Marine-Stabsarzt with seniority of 22.3.14 on SMS Stettin. Until 4 April 1917 known under his surname of Meyr which was then altered with the addition of the original family name of Meyra to Meyra gen. Meyr. Dr. Meyr flew numerous missions as an observer as the medical officer of the 2. Seeflieger-Abteilung and on 20 October 1915 opted to transfer to the status of a line officer with the rank of a Kapitänleutnant d.R. of the Matrosenartillerie with a Patent of 22.3.14. Assigned to the Sonderkommando in November1915. He died of wounds in Russian captivity after coming down behind enemy lines whilst commanding Seeflieger-Staffel Duingi on 1/2 October 1917. Buried in Sulina, Romania. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 21 April Author Share Posted 21 April Cheers, Yes Meyer's are next, so many Todays Meyer Kapt-Lt Marine Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando Usedom) 1916- (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Meyer Christian Ingenieur (Ing) Marine Ingenieur (Engineer officer) SMS Loreley to Berk-i-Satvet to SMS Goeben (Yavuz) 1914-16 (not identified)? Kaiserliche Marine shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Meyer Heinrich Zahlmeister Zahlmeister Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando Usedom) Canakkale 1915-16 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book maybe this man is out of reach, as another non officer in Wolf? Meuser Flugzeugobermaat Marine PO Pilot Airforce German Naval Seaplane Group (GNSG) (Wasserfliegerabteilung) SFS 1916- Kaiserliche Marine pilot WD 12 (573) Tos 3-16 shown in book by Wolf page 189 (not identified)? as to Meyr I had this on him Meyr (Meyra gen) Alfred Stabsarzt deR MA Dr Marine (Stabsarzt) Observer (Beobachter) Matrosenartillerie Airforce Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando) German Naval Seaplane Group (GNSG) (Wasserfliegerabteilung) to OC SFS Chanak (from Liebmann) 11-15 RTG 7-16 to SFS Weik 8-16 to OC SFS Duingi (Romania) 2-17 to 10-17 crashed 1915-16 (born 1885 at Konstanz Baden DoA 2-10-17) gestorben bisher vermißt* (died) from Stabsarzt SMS "Stettin" to trained observer at (Seeflugstation) SFS List and Warnemünde to SFS Helgoland 1915 to Turkey 11-15 RTG to SFS Wiek and at SFS Köslin to SFS Duingi Romania 2-17 leicht verwundet (minor wound) WIA 1-10-17 possbily in crash with FlugObMaat Debrodt shown in russ Gefangenschaft geft (imprisoned in russia) 2-10-17 im Laz Sulina / Selina Kaiserliche Marine awarded EK II & EK I 2-16 and Baden's Iron Cross and Order of the Zähringer Lion and Ottoman Imtiaz Medal and Liakat Medal shown as Fred Meyr in Klaus Wolf's Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emrezmen Posted 22 April Share Posted 22 April (edited) On 11/04/2024 at 20:22, Glenn J said: Indeed, he did Regards Glenn Thanks for posting this, Glenn. Do you have a high-resolution photo of him? Edited 22 April by emrezmen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 22 April Share Posted 22 April Heinrich Meyer, born September 13, 1889, entered service April 1910, Marine-Zahlmeister January 18, 1917. In theater from March or April 1915 to March 1916, so not yet when a commissioned officer but likely at the warrant officer/commissioned officer candidate level. He’s mainly with the German detachment at the Dardanelles as their paymaster. After he returns to Germany, he’s with the Marine Airship (Zeppelin) detachment as their paymaster. German decoration in early 1918 is the EK2. Charakter as Marine-Oberzahlmeister May 30, 1920. Out of service August 18, 1920. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 22 April Share Posted 22 April Christian Meyer, born April 16, 1876 (!), entered service November 1895, Marine-Inengieur April 19, 1918 (!), again, after leaving the theater. Loreley to November 1914, Turkish cruiser Berk-i-Satvet to January 1915 , Goeben to May 1916, then out of theater. Remains in service postwar despite his age postwar, reaching the rank of Korvettenkapitän (I) on October 1, 1930. Because he stayed in service through 1926, we have his complete decorations to date: EK1, Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen in Silver, Dienstauszeichnungskreuz, Bremen’s Hanseatic Cross, Hamburg’s Hanseatic Cross, Order of the Medjidie 5th Class, Liakat Medal in Silver, and the Iron Half Moon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 22 April Share Posted 22 April 1 hour ago, Michael Lowrey said: Christian Meyer, born April 16, 1876 (!), Although one could say that with very few exceptions all German officers as a precursor to commissioning served in some form of non-commissioned rank, it would not be as British/Commonwealth/US readers understand, equate to being "commissioned from the ranks". It was simply part of their commissioning policy and procedure for those individuals educationally and socially qualified for commissioned rank. Generally speaking, the German states were rather reluctant by the time of WW1 to commission NCOs and hence the introduction of the hybrid ranks of Offizierstellvertreter and Feldwebelleutnant (and in the case of the navy also the ranks of Deckoffizierleutnant and Deckoffizieringenieur). Christian Meyer was unique in being the only* individual being commissioned from the rank of a Deckoffizier to full active commissioned rank during the war. Already an Obermaschinist since 1 April 1907, he had been appointed as an Offizierstellvertreter prior to his commissioning in 1918. He amended his name to Meyer-Thoms in 1939. He died in October 1953. *Deckoffiziere der Deutschen Marine - Ihre Geschichte 1848-1933 Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 22 April Share Posted 22 April 3 hours ago, emrezmen said: Thanks for posting this, Glenn. Do you have a high-resolution photo of him? Sorry Emre, I am afraid I do not. I can of course send you a larger version of the image if that would be useful. I tried photo restoration in photoshop. I am not sure this is much of an improvement. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 22 April Share Posted 22 April 19 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Meyer Kapt-Lt Marine Sdr-Kdo (Sonderkommando Usedom) Also a Heinrich Meyer. born 12 April 1882 in Berlin. Crew of 1901. A Kapitänleutnant since 22 March 1913. With the Sonderkommando since December 1916 as head of the naval air station in Varna. Simultaneously commander of the naval detachment in Konstanza. In August 1918 admiral staff officer to the nautical technical commission in Odessa until wars end. Charakter as a Korvettenkapitän on 23 December 1919 and retired on 29 December 1919. Died 1 June 1935 in Heidelberg. Holder of the Iron Cross 1st Class. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 22 April Share Posted 22 April 20 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Meuser Flugzeugobermaat Marine Steve, nothing I can find I am afraid. He does not appear to have been a fatality nor was he promoted to Deckoffizier rank. Wolf references his name to a file (undigitized) at the Bundesarchiv-Militärarchiv so presumably the name is good. Meuser is a name that one encounters in the Marine lists but not a naval aviator. One to keep an eye out for. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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