stevenbecker Posted 26 January Author Share Posted 26 January Cheers, No one said this would be easy, at lest I say to my self? Todays appears to be two Navymen both (not identified) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book spelling name? I was wondering if he spelled their name correctly, as I had trouble with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 26 January Share Posted 26 January 24 minutes ago, stevenbecker said: Steve, Marine-Zahlmeister (1.4.18) Hans Baier, born 4 Nov 1893. Was with the Sonder-Kommando from October 1916. Retired 31 March 1921. 32 minutes ago, stevenbecker said: Leutnant zur See der Reserve Johannes Bahlinger, born 7 August 1890. Volunteered for the navy in March 1915. Was a naval signals rating (Funkgast) at the U boat bases Budrum and Makri and was assigned to S..M.S. Goeben in May 1916. In June 1916 attended a reserve officer aspirants' course in Wilhelmshaven and was eventually commissioned on 19.4.18. Does not appear to have returned to the Turkish theatre following the officers' training course, serving on the Schwaben, Bremse and Frankfurt. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 27 January Author Share Posted 27 January Thanks Glenn, So he was not an officer while in Turkey? Todays Both (not identified) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigeon Posted 28 January Share Posted 28 January (edited) Is this the correct Baltzer ? Edited 28 January by Wigeon issue with file format and spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigeon Posted 28 January Share Posted 28 January Forgot to add this page and supply source for the previous post images, which is the US National Archives online records of the German Navy Item 808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 28 January Author Share Posted 28 January Mate, Thank you, I tried to find these by your directions, but I am not that clever with computers and failed compleatly? That does fill a large number of names I have, and others I don't, going to spend some time with this to check each name Wow its a wonder whats being released on line now days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 28 January Share Posted 28 January 6 hours ago, Wigeon said: Is this the correct Baltzer ? yes, same Baltzer and thank you for posting that. It is always extremely useful to have the ranks in the original German to avoid any confusion! Kapitänleutnant (20.8.17) Hermann Baltzer, born 9 October 1888 at Chemnitz. Entered the navy in 1907 (Crew 1907) and his pre-war service was aboard the Wettin and the Thüringen. He was ill in 1914 and on sick leave in Switzerland until June1915 when he was assigned to the staff of Reichs Naval Office. In October 1917, he was assigned to the holding section of the Euphrates detachment in Constantinople. At the same time he was also a watch officer on S.M.S. Goeben. Assigned as the admiral's staff officer (ASTO) of the Mittelmeer-Division with additional duties as the transport officer in January 1918. Retired 24 November 1914 Recalled in WW2 as an Abwehr (intelligence officer) serving in the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht dealing with Italian, Spanish and Portuguese matters. In 43/44 he was assigned to the embassy in Madrid and finally as a liaison officer of the Abwehr in Italy, British prisoner of war until 1946. Final rank: Fregattenkapitän der Reserve. Still alive in 1959. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 28 January Share Posted 28 January 11 hours ago, stevenbecker said: So he was not an officer while in Turkey? Steve, no. He was a Vizesteuermann der Reserve at the time of his promotion to Leutnant zur See der Reserve on 19 April 1918. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 28 January Share Posted 28 January Max Ballas was born on March 9, 1886 was promoted to Marine-Stabarzt on May 24, 1916. Marine-Stabarzt is the medical officer equivalent of a Kapitänleutnant. He started the war on Prinzregent Luitpold but transfer to Breslau in April 1916 and remains there until October 1916. He’s then in Kiel except for some time on the light cruiser Cöln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 28 January Share Posted 28 January Further to Michael's piece above: Max Ballas was born in Duisburg and studied medicine from 1907 to 1912, passing the state examination on 20 July 1912. 17.9.13: einjährig-freiwilliger Marinearzt 8.11.13: Marine-Unterarzt 27.1.14: Marine-Assistenzarzt 27.1.15: Marine-Oberassistenzarzt He was retired on 17 March 1919 and practiced medicine in Münster (paediatrician) . Recalled for service in WW2, he rose to the rank of Geschwaderarzt (Fregattenkapitän) finishing the war as the port senior medical officer in La Rochelle. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 28 January Author Share Posted 28 January (edited) Thanks again nice one Looking at Wigeon's list I can identify most of these, but not all? These men were on Staff (Stab) to the Admerial Rebeur-Paschwitz of the MMD, and as such most were with him on his last ride on Goeben, when he sallied the Fleet in Jan 1918, which cost the lives of so many of his Germans when the Breslau was sunk We'll start with the, Technische Sektion shown in book by Klaus Wolf (but I had limited details on him? No details on him This man I had some details but again not much (spelling is what I had on him in Ottoman records?) (not identified)? to many to confirm? The easier of all (if I had the right man as he is shown RTG in 1917?) (born 1871 at Altenbruch died 24-2-45) shown reorganise the Turkish armaments industry brought 74 Specialist officers & NCO engineers chemists & 47 Foreman + 659 Specialists from Germany organizes the production of weapons and ammunition at 13 factories in the country reported former commander of the Battlecruiser SMS "Yorck" responsible for her sinking on a German minefield in the North Sea off Wilhelmshaven and for the death of 336 men was sentenced to two years' imprisonment for negligence but sent to fortress detention in Turkey Reported his wife became noticeable unpleasnt so no wifes were allowed to go to Turkey with their husbands RTG Attached to the Naval Office Department for Artillery and Hand Weapons Construction 7-17 to 9-19 awarded Prussian Order of the Crown 2nd Class with Swords and EK II & EK I 7-15 and Ottoman Osmanie Order 2nd class 1-16 shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Edited 28 January by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigeon Posted 28 January Share Posted 28 January Just in case this might be useful these are the pages from the same document I posted up-thread which were omitted from the original post. There is also other editions of similar lists, ORBATS, reports from aircraft flights naming aircrew, etc in the records, let me know if you want anything looked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 29 January Share Posted 29 January 10 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Marine-Baurat (28.4.17) Friedrich Schneider, born 6 May 1881 in Bremen. A naval construction official (ship building career) with the equivalent rank of a Korvettenkapitän. Unlike most military and naval officials, the higher career officials in naval construction had definite comparative rank to line officers. Appointed a Marine-Baumeister (Kapitänleutnant) on 30 September 1909, he was in 1914 assigned to the naval dockyards at Wilhelmshaven. He was additionally employed as an instructor at the engineer and deck officer school. He certainly survived the war as he rose to the rank of Marinebaudirektor (Kapitän zur See) in the second. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 29 January Share Posted 29 January 14 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Hi Steve, you are conflating two different individuals in your table above; Kontreadmiral Waldemar Pieper (14.8.1871-24.2.1945) and Technischer Sekretär Erich Pieper (1885-) The then Kapitän zur See Pieper was the inspector of the arms inspectorate in the Ottoman arms office and held the rank of an Ottoman major general from 3.2.15-30.7.17. Technischer Sekretär (30.5.14) Erich Pieper was a junior technical official (Subalternbeamte) in the naval administration and as shown in the order of battle supplied by Wigeon was on the staff of the technical department of the Mittelmeerdivision. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 29 January Share Posted 29 January (edited) 16 hours ago, stevenbecker said: This man I had some details but again not much (spelling is what I had on him in Ottoman records?) (not identified)? to many to confirm? Steve, two guys: Marineoberbaurat und Betriebsdirektor (29.4.13) Dr. Ing. E.h. Paul Presse, a senior naval construction official in the rank of a Fregattenkapitän. Born 20 January 1868 in Berlin. First appointment as a Bauführer (ship building) effective 25.4.93. He served as the departmental head for naval construction of the Mittelmeerdivision from 28 October 1915 to 7 November 1916. On return to Germany he was the operations director, naval construction at Wilhelmshaven and finally a departmental head in the navy office in Berlin. He remained in the Reichsmarine following the war rising to the rank of Ministerialdirektor (Vizeadmiral) on 1 May 1927. He retired on 30 April 1934 and died in Berlin-Wilmersdorf on 27 January 1948. and Technischer Sekretär (21.12.09) Hans Prieß, again a junior technical official (Subalternbeamte) in the naval administration on the staff of the technical department of the Mittelmeerdivision. Born 1883, he was additionally a Leutnant der Reserve in Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 85. Regards Glenn Edited 29 January by Glenn J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 29 January Share Posted 29 January 20 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Steve, Not Wagner. Even the chap who typed up the Übersicht above misspelt Max Wegener's name. (Spelt Wegner in the document). Marine-Baurat Max Wegener, born 1877 entered the naval administration as a machine construction specialist in 1902. At the outbreak of the war, he was a Baumeister (23.7.06) at the naval office in Berlin. Awarded the Charakter as a Baurat (Korvettenkapitän) on 25June 1917. Holder of the Iron Cross 2nd Class. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 29 January Author Share Posted 29 January Mate, That's why it good to have a second or third pair of eyes on this, some times we get stuck in our ways and miss the bigger pitchure. I was still going throw these great documents when I notice this name? (possibly born 1890 at Lettin died ?) awarded Ottoman Liakat Medal 1915 later WWII Cdr "Trieff" 1940 Frig-Kapt 1943 (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book While I can find this man he is crossed out and another in his place, but I can't read the name, any ideas here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 30 January Share Posted 30 January Kurt Berndt was born on February 2, 1890. Crew 1910. Leutnant zur See on Goeben; promoted to Oberleutnant zur See on March 22, 1916. Out of naval service on November 24, 1919. Character als Kapitänleutnant December 27, 1919. A Curt Berndt is listed in the 1941 Rangliste as a Korvettenkapitän with a date of rank of February 1, 1940. In the previous edition, he has the same date of rank but is an Ergänzungoffizier. He was promoted to Fregattenkapitän on December 1, 1943. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 30 January Author Share Posted 30 January Michael, Thanks, can you confirm the same man shown as on the above is possibly the same as; "(born 1884 ) from FähnrichzS SMS Kaiser 1914-15 retired character ObLtzS 12-19 awarded EK II 4-16 shown in book by Klaus Wolf By the looks is not, but just to be sure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 30 January Share Posted 30 January 43 minutes ago, stevenbecker said: Thanks, can you confirm the same man shown as on the above is possibly the same as; "(born 1884 ) from FähnrichzS SMS Kaiser 1914-15 retired character ObLtzS 12-19 awarded EK II 4-16 shown in book by Klaus Wolf By the looks is not, but just to be sure? Steve, yes. although born 17 October 1894 in Danzig. Was with the Breslau until June 1917 and then flag lieutenant of the U boat half-flotilla. Retired 22 November 1919 and Charakter as an Oberleutnant zur See on 27 December 1919. Re-joined the navy in 1933 and served throughout WW2. Rose to the rank of Kapitän zur See and died on 24 November 1951 as the result of a car accident. 8 hours ago, stevenbecker said: but I can't read the name, any ideas here? It says "Klamroth" but I can find no confirmation yet that a Klamroth was serving with the Mittelmeerdivision. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 30 January Share Posted 30 January 5 hours ago, Michael Lowrey said: A Curt Berndt is listed in the 1941 Rangliste The same Berndt; Karl Emanuel Kurt Berndt, born in Lettin, Halle a/S on 2 February 1890. Finished WW2 on the staff of Marine-Oberkommando Nordsee. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 30 January Author Share Posted 30 January Thanks Glenn, Yes I can find no mention that Klamroth came to Turkey Wigeon documents throw up some U Boat men I don't have? I have no watch officer for the UB 14 during 1918, while I have these men at different times during her service before that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigeon Posted 30 January Share Posted 30 January The correct Klamroth ? See second line from bottom. From US national Archives, the same roll of digitized microfilm as previous posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigeon Posted 30 January Share Posted 30 January Re UB 14 Wachoffizier, I can't find one mentioned from Oct 1917 onwards in any of the Ubersicht , personnel records etc on the digitized microfilm. Also no mention found in a cursory check through UB 14's KTB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 31 January Share Posted 31 January 9 hours ago, Wigeon said: The correct Klamroth ? See second line from bottom. Morning Wigeon, that is very interesting. I must admit, I have not read every telegram in over a 1000 page pdf so well done! According to the naval Ehrenrangliste, Kurt Brandt was temporarily assigned to coastal defence in Syria in November 1917. However, Oberleutnant zur See Felix Klamroth developed pneumonia in January 1918 and as a consequence saw no further active service during the war. He died of a recurrence of the condition in Gernrode on 22 April 1925. One assumes the transfer was never put into effect. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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