stevenbecker Posted 18 January Author Share Posted 18 January Mate, I did notice this bloke with the same name, but other then the rank difference? (1856 at Hannover KIA 10-3-16) from Württemberg Fußartillerie-Regiment No 29 att Ottoman artillery instructional regiment 1913 RTG 1913 to Fußartillerie Battalion No 17 KIA 10-3-16 near Orfeuil (Ardennes) France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 19 January Share Posted 19 January 11 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Steve, Peter von Anderten, active field artillery officer from Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 9. 14.1.15: Fähnrich 22.3.15: Leutnant (provisionally without a Patent) Patent granted of 22.5.14 23.8.20: Granted permission to wear the uniform of FAR 9 Severely wounded at Berry-au-Bac, following which, assigned to Ottoman army. Son of Claus von Anderten above. Incidentally, Oberst von Anderten had served in Feldartillerie-Regiment Nr. 29 on attachment to the Württemberg army and was commanding the the 17. Feldartillerie-Brigade at the time of his death. 11 hours ago, stevenbecker said: I was also wondering about your sources here, is there a ranglist, like those of the KUK for the Germans, or is there a book your cross checking with? There is certainly not a single book to check with. In fairness the navy produced a very useful Ehrenrangliste which included all their commissioned officers both active and Reserve/Seewehr and naval officials who served in the war. So the navy are pretty well covered. As for the four contingents of the army, that is another matter. In my collection I have hundreds of Ranglisten, Offizier-Stammlisten, Dienstalterslisten, Orders of battle, regimental histories, city and town address books, Verordnungsblätter (official personnel gazettes), a complete run of the Militär-Wochenblatt from 1817 to the nineteen thirties, genealogical handbooks, etc., etc. This obviously can be information overload and I have over the years created numerous spreadsheets and databases to try and make finding an individual and sorting out his career more manageable. None of the above, however can repair the destruction to the Potsdam archives in 1945! to come back to your original point, unlike the Austro-Hungarians, the Germans did not produce all-encompassing Ranglisten during the war. It was probably considered too vast an undertaking. Just to give an example of the scale of work that would be involved, the volume published by the Bavarians alone covering personnel occurrences and awards for just the first half year of 1917 is 1652 pages long with an additional 586 page name index! The Prussians did not bother to publish anything on this scale. The army Ehrenrangliste published after the war just lists active and former active officers with no patent or orders and decorations information. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 19 January Author Share Posted 19 January (edited) Cheers Mate, I guess trying to help here is a bad idea Couple of strange ones awarded Ottoman Silver Liakat Medal 27-12-15 (not identified) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book name shown on postcard with Serno and Faller shown Albatros B1 with Lt Funfhausen (P) attacked a Monitor off Imbros 2-2-16 (not identified)? (spelling in Ole Nikoljsen) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book All three spellings come from all three sources, I did look at this man, but unsure since both are mentioned by Ole in his book? shown WIA 7-10-16 in Albatros C1 (AK12) with Sgt Brent (P) crashed in accident (not identified) (spelling in Ole Nikoljsen) Edited 19 January by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 20 January Share Posted 20 January 10 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Steve, Leutnant zur See der Reserve Stieg Ankarcrona, born 1 February 1889 in Stockholm. Initially on S.M.S. Goeben and commissioned on 15.2.15. In September 1914 assigned to Bosporus I. mine sweeping division. Killed in action by a mine explosion at Büjük Liman commanding a mine sweeper on 26 March 1917. Anschütz seems the more likely spelling for your observer and I will check that out. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 20 January Author Share Posted 20 January Mate, You pose an interesting question here on Stig How did he died? Büjük is an Island in front of Izmir and Allied warships were active in that area But I can find no such actions to clear mines by Ottoman mine sweepers That date also is not mentioned anywhere Needs more to look into on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 21 January Author Share Posted 21 January Mate, No luck with Anschütz? Todays again both (not identified) shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 21 January Share Posted 21 January (edited) Hi Steve, nothing on Anschütz yet. I am fairly certain there was no Prussian or Württemberg officer called Oskar Anschütz. I will try the Bavarians and Saxons. There is a possibility that he was a German SNCO with local Ottoman rank? I have not seen the photo to which you refer. Regards Glenn Edited 21 January by Glenn J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 21 January Share Posted 21 January 8 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Steve, Marine-Oberstabsarzt d.R. Dr. Eduard Asbeck, born 5 March 1873 in Harburg. State medicine examination passed om 20 January 1898. 31.8.98: Marine-Unterarzt der Reserve 16.11.98: Marine-Assistenzarzt der Reserve 17.4.05: Marine-Ober-Assistenzarzt der Reserve 27.1.11: Marine-Stabsarzt der Reserve 18.2.16: Awarded a backdated patent of seniority as a Stabsarzt of 9.11.07 20.8.17: Charakter as Marine-Oberstabsarzt d.R. 14.10.17: Patent as Marine-Oberstabsarzt d.R. Following initial wartime service in Cuxhaven and Hamburg, He was assigned to the Ottoman infantry and cavalry war school Harbié in Constantinople in May 1915 and from September 1915 to the Fleet shore detachment. Holder of both classes of the Iron Cross and the Hamburg Hanseatic Cross. Post-war, practiced medicine in Hamburg. Died 19 August 1952 in Harburg. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 21 January Share Posted 21 January (edited) Here is a candidate for your Arnoldi search: Heinrich Arnoldi, born 15th June 1888, his doctoral dissertation at Munich University was on "Über Metallcyanide" in 1906, published 1907. GreyC Edited 21 January by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 22 January Author Share Posted 22 January Thanks grey, Its a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 23 January Share Posted 23 January 20 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Steve, Kapitänleutnant Friedrich Karl Aye was a naval officer. Born 6 July 1881in Eddelak, he was at the outbreak of the war, the gunnery officer of S.M.S. Wettin. In November 1915 assigned as the commander of the German naval detachment in the Dardanelles and simultaneously leader of the German artillery there. Promoted to Korvettenkapitän on 28 April 1918, he retired on 22 June 1919. Recalled to service in WW2, he served in Norway and from July 1942 until the wars end as a department leader at the naval arsenal in Hamburg. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 23 January Share Posted 23 January 21 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Hauptmann Fernando Baare, born 23 July 1879 at Bochum. Originally commissioned into Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 15 on 18.8.00. Transferred to Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 74 on 18 December 1901. Attended the war academy from 1908 to 1911, being promoted to Oberleutnant on 18 October 1909. From 1 April 1912 attached to the general staff and was a fully fledged general staff Hauptmann (1.10.13) at the outbreak of the war. Employed in the replacement department of the Turkish war ministry. Promoted Major on 18.5.18. Major a.D. Died 18 October 1952. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 23 January Author Share Posted 23 January Cheers mate. Again both (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Lowrey Posted 23 January Share Posted 23 January One addition note on Stieg Ankarcrona: he was never a Fähnrich zur See. Fähnrich zur See was a regular navy line officer candidate rank; Ankarcrona as a reserve line officer was instead a Vize Steuermann der Reserve while an officer candidate. Friedrich Baden is clearly identified in the Navy Ehrenrangliste and was also a reserve officer. He was born on April 13, 1888 and served on Breslau through August 1915. He eventually undergoes submarine training and serves as a WO on UB 43, U 72, and UC 22 in the Mediterranean between March and November 1917. He then is assigned as a WO on various U-cruisers and is killed when U 154 is torpedoed and sunk on May 11, 1918. His date of rank as a Leutnant zur See der Reserve is September 13, 1913; he was promoted to Oberleutnant zur See der Reserve on August 18, 1916. He already had the EK2 by August 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 24 January Author Share Posted 24 January (edited) Thanks mate, Corrections to Wolf are always welcome Interest I checked the Geheime Marine Verlustliste but he is not listed there? Was he still WO when lost with Korv-Kapt Gercke Edited 24 January by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 24 January Share Posted 24 January 6 hours ago, stevenbecker said: I checked the Geheime Marine Verlustliste but he is not listed there? Steve, he was, however listed in Marine-Verlustliste Nr. 162 (below). The Ehrenrangliste records that he was the prize officer of U 154 at the time of his death. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 24 January Share Posted 24 January 11 hours ago, stevenbecker said: Steve, given the Ordnance connection, I would assume it is Zeug-Hauptmann Hermann Bachert, His last peacetime appointment was as a Zeug-Oberleutnant (18.12.13) with the depot administration of the army testing commission at the Kummersdorf ranges. Promoted to Zeug-Hauptmann on 31.7.18. He remained in the Reichswehr following the war and died on 13 November 1924. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 24 January Author Share Posted 24 January Cheers Todays awarded Ottoman Silver Liakat Medal 12-10-15 (not identified)? shown in Klaus Wolf's Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 25 January Share Posted 25 January Hi Steve, these two are rather problematic. Firstly, Herr Bader. you show his rank as a Fähnrich and that he is employed as a apothecary? His rank if not elevated to the equivalent of commissioned rank would be Unterapotheker and once elevated to something equating to a lieutenant, that of Oberapotheker. Of course, he may have held the rank of a Turkish lieutenant whose apothecaries were commissioned officers and not military officials. In my copy of Wolf, he is simply listed as a Second Lieutenant, Army, employed in the weapons factory at Gülhane. I have found an Oberapotheker named Bader who I can investigate further but can you please elaborate on the provenance of the information regarding him being an apothecary? I have drawn absolute blank with Baedke. There was just one Zahlmeister Georg Baedke in the Prussian and Württemberg armies. No Bavarian whatsoever of that name and no officer or official of that name in the Saxon Army. Postscript: bl/(*dy Wolf!! It is Leutnant der Reserve der Matrosenartillerie Johannes Baetcke, born 11 September 1890 in Groß Köthel, Malchin District, Mecklenburg. Commissioned Lt.d.R. on 10 August 1915. Sonderkommando Türkei, section and battery officer, finally battery commander. Demobilized 21 January 1920. Oberstarbeitsführer in the Reichsarbeitsdienst. Died 15 June 1957 at Timmendorfer-Strand. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 25 January Author Share Posted 25 January (edited) Glenn, Cheers nice one the differences in names and ranks gets me The details came from Turkish sources "Gülhane Harp okulu ilaç fabrikasinda Binbasi. Dr.Huttner'in yaninda (Gülhane Harp school drug factory Binbasi. By Dr. Huttner) So I took it at face value Since my only German source (Wolf) gave so little Yes the problem with Ottoman ranks and German ranks, get me all the time, getting that boost makes all types of problems. PS (born 1881 in Munchen died 1945) Bavarian from 1st Bavarian Corps retired to Under Secretary at the Air Ministry shown in Klaus Wolf's Book I surpose we should also make that correction from Lt to Oberapotheker for him? Edited 25 January by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 26 January Share Posted 26 January Steve, the problems with translations and transliteration In searching the web I happened across this interesting tome: Unfortunately only a snippet view on google but enough. From the book "Äskulap zwischen Reichsadler und Halbmond" , it appears that the necessity for a German apothecary specialist was requested for attachment to the military mission in May 1914 and that one Sanitäts-Unteroffizier Bader was the individual dispatched. His tasks: to manage the repair facility and the production of tablets and dressings at Gülhane. I am trying to determine whether he was advanced to the German rank of Unter/Oberapotheker (which would require university apothecary qualifications) or perhaps he was afforded the local Turkish rank of lieutenant as a German medical NCO. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 26 January Share Posted 26 January 13 hours ago, stevenbecker said: I surpose we should also make that correction from Lt to Oberapotheker for him? Opos, sorry Steve, I missed that. Friedrich Huttner was a Bavarian military official in the rank of a Stabsapotheker (1.1.12) assigned to the Garrison hospital in Munich. He was assigned to the military mission effective 1 April 1914, receiving the rank of an Ottoman major and the appointment of a apothecary inspector in the medical department of the Ottoman war ministry. I have ruled out the Prussian Oberapotheker, I was looking at and am working on the theory that Ludwig Bader was indeed a medical NCO subsequently raised to an Ottoman lieutenancy. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 26 January Share Posted 26 January Hi Glenn! Could Baader have been a studied pharmacist who, after his studied served as Einjährig-Freiwilliger and was released as Unteroffizier, waiting for his Reserveübungen with a chance to be promoted to an officer´s rank in the proceedings and when war broke out he was not yet promoted by the German army? GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn J Posted 26 January Share Posted 26 January Hi Grey, My interpretation of the text above leads me to think his duties were more organisational and logistical as opposed to those of a trained pharmacist. I have yet to come across another German promotion of a Bader to the rank of Oberapotheker. Regards Glenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 26 January Share Posted 26 January Okay, thanks. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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