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Remembered Today:

RGA Plymouth 1916 45th (Battle Axe) Company (all named)


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20 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

Yes, excellent and I've profited in the past. I am happy that the service numbers ranges I've found  all fall into 1915 RGA attestations and the sample service records confirm presence at 45 Coy for the course early 1916. 

I'm left with two unidentified men.

3rd Row. AWH Bunston 

Seated Front Row. Capt DP Mills. - can anyone confirm his cap badge? 

Charlie

 

Can you isolate a close up head and shoulders view of Capt D P Mills, Charlie?  I have tried to enlarge my view of the photo, but the limited resolution, when combined with the dark bronze nature of his cap badge and obscured collar badges (under overcoat) makes his insignia illegible.

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5 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

Can you isolate a close up head and shoulders view of Capt D P Mills, Charlie?  I have tried to enlarge my view of the photo, but the limited resolution, when combined with the dark bronze nature of his cap badge and obscured collar badges (under overcoat) makes his insignia illegible.

I suffer same problem using my phone hence my request. I see nothing. Perhaps OP can help? 

Charlie

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11 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

I tried the original postcard thread and produce this which is clearly Gunner to me.

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I agree, the outline shape is that for an OSDB RA cap badge.

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1 minute ago, BMB said:

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Yes that is definitely RA.

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Thanks. There's no doubt it's RA. I just wanted to eliminate say RE or others who might be involved with signalling and telegraphy of the period.

But with that confirmation it hasn't helped my search!! 

Charlie 

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21 hours ago, BMB said:

Third from the left, front row. Corporal Minshall. This sounds like a silly question, but is he blind? On my higher definition photo I can see his eyelids are open but his eyes are just white. Did they maybe allow injured soldiers from the front who did not want to leave the army to serve in coastal defense units? But how could they use a blind man?

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To me would seem potentially most likely a case of eyes moving during a long(ish) exposure causing blurring.

He has several disability and widow's pension cards at WFA/Fold3 https://www.fold3.com/search?docQuery=(filters:!((type:general.title.id,values:!((label:'UK,+WWI+Pension+Ledgers+and+Index+Cards,+1914-1923',value:'1019'),(label:British+WWI+Medal+Rolls+Index+Cards,value:'932')))),keywords:'278959,minshull',sortOrder:ALPHABETICAL)

MINSHULL, Ernest, 278959 A/Sgt, RGA = born: 1873, discharged 12-6-18 variously described as having Myalgia / Articulated rheumatism thereabouts

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57 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said:

 Myalgia / Articulated rheumatism thereabouts

He was already an army pensioner in 1914 having almost completed 21 years service. LSGC  1911 is presumably his.

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10 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

He was already an army pensioner in 1914 having almost completed 21 years service.

MINSHULL, Ernest, 278959 A/Sgt, RGA

One of the other pension cards, the chronologically first for a disability claim in 1918, also gives an earlier/first discharge date of 22.10.12

Another pension ledger alternatively offers 1872 as his YoB - so take your pick form the MoP.

M

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1 hour ago, Matlock1418 said:
22 hours ago, BMB said:

Third from the left, front row. Corporal Minshall. This sounds like a silly question, but is he blind? On my higher definition photo I can see his eyelids are open but his eyes are just white. Did they maybe allow injured soldiers from the front who did not want to leave the army to serve in coastal defense units? But how could they use a blind man?

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Seeing your name prompts me to check pension records for Bunston in case he never served overseas due to health.

There he is via WesternFrontAssoc and Fold3 

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Just now, charlie962 said:

Seeing your name prompts me to check pension records for Bunston in case he never served overseas due to health.

Yes - That's the one mentioned above.

M

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5 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

with service number neatly in the block. 

No worries.  Thought you would be happy with his number!

M

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Great. Here's the last man identified, courtesy Findmypast newspapers 

Edit- note sb DANIEL not DAVID.

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Western Morning News 12/2/45 

Promoted Capt 1913, retired May 1914 then back into service at outbreak of war.

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I need to check if it is David as above or Daniel per 1911 census... 

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Army List confirms Daniel. So newspaper error.

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28 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

Great. Here's the last man identified, courtesy Findmypast newspapers

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Western Morning News 12/2/45

‘District Officers’ were, along with ‘Station Officers’, one of the RA officer categories, like quarter-master and riding-master, reserved for men commissioned from the ranks.  They were often former warrant officers such as Master Gunners and other Specialists, but not ex Artillery Clerks, whose career path was considered too narrow to make them successful in the role.  Mills’s background suggests that he had probably been an RA Armaments Artificer.

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7 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

But experience long..

Yes, it caused some resentment because they (RA Clerks) spent their whole lives working cheek by jowl with officers in headquarters’s at levels from RA brigades (now regiments) up to the artillery branches that evolved in formation [Divisional and above] headquarters, and yet were excluded from the District Officer posts.  I think it is because men from technical backgrounds were preferred, but also men who had spent time around the gun lines.  I can understand the logic, but it must have excluded some good and intelligent men.

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34 minutes ago, BMB said:

Isn't that Captain Mills in this photo?WHBAKERand PALS.jpg

I don’t think so, he looks far too young.

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