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Charles Fair

19th London Regiment (St Pancras)

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jnormanangel
The Regimental War Memorial in St Pancras church. Yourr ggf is almost at the top, exactly 1/4 of the way in from the right.

Dear Charles

Thank you for the information regarding my great grandfather Stephen Redding and the photos of the memorials

I have tried to email you but your inbox is full i will keep trying but I did not want to wait any longer to send you my thanks for your time and kindness

with kind regards

Judith

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Charles Fair

Hello Judith - I actually think you have been trying to Private Message me (using the 'send message button') and not send an email. My PM box fills up as soon as I create space in it, so emails are preferred. However, you can email me instead. You need to go to my profile where you can find another button on which sends an email below the PM button.

Charles

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Greenwoodman

Charles, may I ask if you can give me any information on William Frederick Filler, Private, Regtl no 32, 19th Londons, died of wounds 15/09/16, age 25, buried Dartmoor Cemetery Becordel-Becourt? b. Tottenham, e. Camden Town, r. Paddington. I've recently discovered that he has a Sandbach connection.

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Chris Grimshaw

Hello Charles

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"I have complete photocopies of the complete War Diaries for the:

1/19th (141 Bde, 47 Div) March 1915 - Apr 1919

2/19th (180 Bde, 60 Div) Jan 1915 - May 1919

Also a complete copy of the BWM/Victory Medal rolls for the 19th which I am in the process of putting on computer "

Came across your post on the 2/19, I am currently researching the 60th Division during their time in Salonika.

Is there any chance of a copy of the War diary covering November 1916 to end of June 1917 which covers their move from France, time in Salonika and move to Egypt please.

I have a copy of the Regimental History of the 23rd London Regiment and am happy to do look ups if there is anything you are interested in.

Regards Chris

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Charles Fair
Charles, may I ask if you can give me any information on William Frederick Filler, Private, Regtl no 32, 19th Londons, died of wounds 15/09/16, age 25, buried Dartmoor Cemetery Becordel-Becourt? b. Tottenham, e. Camden Town, r. Paddington. I've recently discovered that he has a Sandbach connection.

Sadly I dont know much more than you do as I only have SDGW and CWGC info. The only additional point is from the medal rolls which state that he was one of the original contingent of the 1/19th which arrived in France on 10 March 1915.

You have probably deduced already from his very low service number that he was a pre-war enlistment and in fact enlisted in the TF on 1 April 1908. This in turn implies prior Volunteer service I would like to see his service records as his age at death implies that he was very young when he joined up. Am just wondering whether age as per CWGC is incorrect.

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Charles Fair
Came across your post on the 2/19, I am currently researching the 60th Division during their time in Salonika.

Is there any chance of a copy of the War diary covering November 1916 to end of June 1917 which covers their move from France, time in Salonika and move to Egypt please.

Chris - yes, I now have this electronically. have PMd you. I am also researching 60 Div in Salonika and was in fact looking around that area in September.

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Charles Fair

I have had several queries about the 19th Londons, both on and off the GWF in recent weeks (must be something to do with the 90th anniversary). This seems line a good time to post a list of the most useful threads that deal with the history of the 19th for future reference and ease of finding. Please click on the following links:

Jewish Officers in the London TF

Imperial Service Obligation and Termination of Engagement

RAMC transfers to the London Regiment (60th Division), 1916

1/19th Battalion strength 1/19th 1915-1918

1/19th Casualties 1915-1918

1/19th on Vimy Ridge, Spring 1916

1/19th Trench raid June 1916

1/19th Christmas 1917

1/19th US troops attached, July 1918

2/19th and the capture of Jerusalem, December 1917

Transfer of officers and men of 2nd Bn Leicestershire Regt to 2/19th in March 1919

I will edit this post as and when future useful threads develop.

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Charles Fair

I should also add my own paper on the 19th Londons titled The Changing Character of the London Territorial Force 1914-18: The case of the 19th (County of London) Battalion, The London Regiment (St. Pancras)

You may download it for free from the BCMH website.

Go to http://www.bcmh.org.uk/, click on 'Archive', then on 'BCMH Conference Reports' then scroll down to the bottom of the table where you see Conference 2008 - Volunteers & Reserve Forces and download the conference papers. The paper is about 35 pages.

It will also be published in an edited version in Records, the Journal of the Douglas Haig Fellowship under the title London Pride: The Changing Character of a Working Class Territorial Battalion, 1914-18 later in 2009.

Edited by Charles Fair

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westkent78

Looking forward to digesting this later on Charles.

Congratulations on getting the paper published.

Should provide some avenues of research I hadn't even considered.

Thanks for providing the link.

Best regards,

Matthew

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mick lowry

Charles

I have reason to believe that my half brothers grandfather took part in the raid on the german trenches 27/28th June 1916 in the

angres section near to the Bully craters undertaken by the 19th London Regt. under operation order 66.

He was Pioneer George Dawson 4th Bn. spec. bde., Royal Engineers 129977. I think he must have been attached to the 19th LR.

I think he may have been one of the men who died from gas poisoning in the 1/4 London field ambulance during the day of 28th June.

He and a colleague Pioneer Arthur King are buried next to each other in Bully-Grenay military cemetary. There is also a Rifleman J Ashdown

of the London Regt. died 25/06/16 buried next to them

Do you have tyhe various war diaries that might confirm this and if it is so what role might he have played in the raid.

He went to France in March 1916, not sure when he might have been attached to 19th LR.

I would be most grateful for any further info you may be able to give me.

I have also sent you a similar reply of your other post ref. German 31st RIR so my apologies if you already have this in hand.

Regards

Mick

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pansypetal

Hi

I would be very interested to know if there is any mention of my great grandfather Harry Harvey Turton mentioned in the diaries, struggling to find any details of his service I have been told by an elderly relative that they think he served in either the 19th or 21 st London Regiment.

Thanks

Heather

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lisajanedun

Dear Sirs

I am researching a Percy Holmes who served in the 19th Battalion of the London (Pancras) regiment and wondered if anyone had a mention of him in the war diaries. Thankyou for any help anyone can give.

With Best Wishes

Lisa

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Steve Crabb

Charles - I wonder if you can help me? I am researching a Private called Frank Johnston who served with the 19th (St Pancras) and was killed on 15 September 1916. I understand the 19th may have been in action at both Flers-Courcelette and High Wood on that day. Would you be able to share what the War Diary says for the 15th? 

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Joy.e

Hi there.. I’ve just found this forum whilst looking for information about one of my ancestors who died in October 1918 and was in the 1/19th London regiment - as far as I can tell ??

If you’re still following this thread Charles, I’d be grateful for any information you might have on George Barclay G/53857

 

Many thanks 

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LINDIW1

I am not sure if this is still updated but I was trying to find out more about my great uncle who died at Ypres

The details I have of him are: Died: 21-Aug-1917, Private, London Regiment, 1st/19th Bn., Service# 611849, Location: Panels 52 to 54.

Many thanks 

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katherineakey
On 18/06/2003 at 20:30, Charles Fair said:

I have complete photocopies of the complete War Diaries for the:

1/19th (141 Bde, 47 Div) March 1915 - Apr 1919

2/19th (180 Bde, 60 Div) Jan 1915 - May 1919

Also a complete copy of the BWM/Victory Medal rolls for the 19th which I am in the process of putting on computer

Hi Charles-- are you willing to share your copy of the 1/19th War Diary? 

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