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On 28/04/2018 at 23:44, Lincspoacher said:

Hello Joe Toy, sorry not to have responded to your request sooner but I was trying to find something new for you but without success. The only other idea I have is to check local newspapers for any references to your man though I did some checking and his family was from Nottinghamshire where they were involved in coal mining or clothing trade?

 

Lincspoacher

 

On 28/04/2018 at 23:44, Lincspoacher said:

Hello Joe Toy, sorry not to have responded to your request sooner but I was trying to find something new for you but without success. The only other idea I have is to check local newspapers for any references to your man though I did some checking and his family was from Nottinghamshire where they were involved in coal mining or clothing trade?

 

Lincspoacher

Thanks anyway Lincspoacher.... I really appreciate your efforts albeit somewhat of a blank.

it seems to me that tracking down the history or movements of the MGC is nigh on impossible given they were disbanded postwar and no real history.

 

 

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Anything for 173096 Fred Davis at all ?

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Hello Dazscuba! sorry for not seeing your question until now but I could find a reference on MIC's to a Pte Fred Davis 171396 could this be your man? Based on the service number I would guess that he wasn't serving abroad until mid 1918? sorry I couldn't find anything more for you.

 

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Next series mixed units

 

Mgc number:   13391    Name:   Pte A.Thompson                  MIC / CWGC / ROLL notes:      Midd'x R 18087 + trans class Z res 15.3.19

                        13392                 Sgt C.Cooper                                                                          Midd,x R 20461 + 47th MGC 16.8.17 KIA

                        13393                 Sgt C.J.Lodge                                                                         KRRC 240 + awarded MID 11.6.18  + trans class Z res 12.3.19

                        13394                 Pte E.Sankey                                                                          KRRC 16167 + trans class Z res 3.5.19    

                        13395                 Pte G.Richardson                                                                    Not on roll but MIC? + W Riding R 33916 

                        13396                 Pte F.Barrett                                                                            KRRC 16135 + trans class Z res 14.3.19

                        13397                 Pte T.Hill                                                                                  KRRC 15884 + trans class Z res 16.3.19

                        13398                 Pte H.E.Usherwood                                                                 KRRC 16014 +  trans class Z res 5.4.19

                        13399                 Pte A.Brown                                                                             KRRC 16185 + 16th MGC 21.3.18 DOW

                        13400                 Sgt T.Hunter                                                                             Rif Bde 6003 + awarded SWB + discharged 'surplus after impairment' 14.12.18

                        13401                 Pte A.Mitchell                                                                            Rif Bde S/11938 +1st in zone 29.6.15 + awarded SWB

                                                                                                                                                     + discharged 'unfit' 10.12.17

                        13402                 Sgt H.Smith                                                                               Rif Bde S/10692 + 1st in zone 25.9.15 + trans class Z res 23.8.19

                        13403                 Pte W.A.Long                                                                            Rif Bde S/6663 + 1st in zone 12.5.15 + trans class Z res 1.3.19

                        13404                 Pte E.Williams                                                                           Rif Bde S/5338 A/Cpl + 1st in zone 20.5.15 + trans class Z res 27.3.19

                        13405                 Pte T.Notman                                                                            Rif Bde S/6568 + 1st in zone 21.5.15 + trans class Z res 11.3.19

                        13406                 Pte F.Smethurst                                                                        Rif Bde B/1317 + 1st in zone 21.5.15 + trans class Z res 1.5.15

                        13407                 Pte F.C.Wayland                                                                       KRRC 17361 + Enlisted 30.11.15 + discharged 'unfit' 30.5.17

                        13408                 Pte V.Mills                                                                                 KRRC 17625 + 129th MGC 19.12.17 DOW at Baghdad

                        13409                 Pte W.Hopkins                                                                          Roy Scots Fus 29151+ 8th Bn MGC 27.5.18 DOW

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Next series mixed units

 

Mgc number:   13410    Name:   Pte R.Rennett                MIC / CWGC / ROLL notes:            No roll but MIC? + RE WR/306835 + RAMC 206222 + Listed Deserter

                        13411                 Pte O.Bucknall                                                                        Glouc' R 24544 + enlisted 2.8.15 + awarded SWB + discharged 'unfit' 13.11.18

                        13412                 Pte H.Hill                                                                                 Glouc' R 24727 + trans class Z res 25.6.19  

                        13413                 Pte A.H.Stevens                                                                      Glouc' R 24735 + Pte H.Stevens 47th MGC 20.8.17 DOW    

                        13414                 Pte F.Bignell                                                                            Glouc' R 24545 + trans class Z res 14.2.19

                        13415                 Pte T.Sheppard                                                                       Glouc' R 24665 + trans class Z res 17.4.19

                        13416                 Pte F.L.Dentley                                                                        Glouc' R 23864 + trans class Z res 24.2.19

                        13417                 Pte W.G.West                                                                          Midd'x R 20715 

                        13418                 No record of issue                                                                    not on roll

                        13419                 Pte H.Adey                                                                               Midd'x R 2897 + enlisted 1.9.14 + awarded SWB + discharged 'unfit' 30.9.16

                        13420                 Pte J.E.Hunt                                                                             Midd'x R 21171 

                        13421                 Pte P.Rafferty                                                                           not on roll but MIC? + Midd'x R G/21086 + listed deserter 15.10.17?

                        13422                 Pte G.H.Goodere                                                                      Midd'x R 20983 + trans class Z res 27.3.19

                        13423                 Cpl T.Jones                                                                               E Lancs' R 18206 + trans class Z res 18.3.19

                        13424                 Pte E.S.Jarvis                                                                            R Fus' 20824 + 47th MGC 25.5.16 KIA

                        13425                 Pte F.Clayden                                                                            R Fus' 21092 + MGC 28.6.18 DOW at Alnwick Depot, UK

                        13426                 No record of issue                                                                      Not on roll

                        13427                 Pte G.Morris                                                                               R Sus' R 7802 47th MGC 10.9.16 DOW 

                        13428                 Pte H.A.Hickmore                                                                       R Sus' R 7750 + trans class Z res 27.5.19      

                        13429                 Pte H.Osborne                                                                            R Sus' R 7755 + North' Fus' 52927

                        13430                 Pte E.Pearce                                                                               R Sus' R 7748 + 47th MGC 3.9.16 KIA

                        13431                 Pte C.Manvell                                                                              R Sus' R 7806 + trans class Z res 17.5.19

                        13432                 Pte R.E.Stapleton                                                                        Midd'x R 21172 + trans class Z res 5.3.19

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Next series Rifle brigade up to 13439 which is listed on post 1 of this topic!

 

Mgc number:   13433    Name:   Pte R.Taylor                MIC / CWGC / ROLL notes:           Rif' Bde 13969 + trans class Z res 30.1.19

                        13434                 Pte C.O'Hara                                                                       Rif' Bde 14412 + trans class Z res 15.5.19

                        13435                 Pte G.Tapely                                                                        Rif' Bde 14365 + trans class Z res 25.3.19  

                        13436                 Cpl J.Mason                                                                         Rif' Bde 14428 + trans class Z res 15.2.19      

                        13437                 Pte R.Filmore                                                                       Rif' Bde 14180 + trans class Z res 12.2.19

                        13438                 No record of issue                                                                Not on roll  

                        

Next part continues from post 5 with East Yorks Regiment and Connaught rangers

 

Mgc number:   13452    Name:   Pte TJackson                MIC / CWGC / ROLL notes:             E Yorks' R 20044 + trans class Z res 18.2.19

                        13453                 Pte J.Wood                                                                              E Yorks' R 20013 + trans class Z res 28.2.19

                        13454                 Pte J.W.Pask                                                                           E Yorks' R 20008 + trans class Z res 19.3.19  

                        13455                 Pte J.Flaherty                                                                           Not on roll but MIC? + Con' Rangers 2/8088 + 1st in zone 14.8.14 

                                                                                                                                                    + Trans 25.2.17 RE 229494 + RE WR/100208

                                                                                                                                                    + discharged after 18 years service 19.8.25

                        13456                 A/Cpl A.M.R.Jackson                                                                Con' Rangers 3208 + enlisted 5.9.14 + 1st in zone 27.7.15 +

                                                                                                                                                     awarded swb + discharged 'surplus by impairment' 14.12.18  

                        13457                 Pte M.Flynn                                                                              Con' Rangers 5/2894 + 1st in zone 9.7.15 + listed deserter 2.10.15

                        13458                 Sgt M.Toohey                                                                           Con' Rangers 10323 + 1st in zone 26.9.14 +

                                                                                                                                                     awarded DCM 98th MGC 1.1.17 + trans sec B res 14.2.19

                       

 

 

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Irish Units series

 

MGC number: 13459      Name: Pte T.Garrity                           MIC/CWGC/ROLL notes:  Ches' R 20220 + 106th MGC 31.8.17 KIA

                        13460                 Pte P.Harty                                                                       R Dub' Fus' 23356 + Trans class Z res 2.1.19

                        13461                 Pte J.O'Dea                                                                       Not on roll but MIC? + Lab' corps 442809

                        13462                 Pte J.O'Neill                                                                       Not on roll but MIC? + ACC 20825

                        13463                 Pte G.J.Butler                                                                    R Dub' Fus' 22652 + Trans class B res 28.3.19

                        13464                 No record of issue                                                             Not on roll

                        13465                 Pte G.A.Hollingsworth                                                       R Mun' Fus' 2301 + 1st in zone 25.7.15 + discharged 'unfit' 30.10.18

                        13467                 Cpl G.Miles                                                                        R Mun' Fus' 7/2623 + 1st in zone 25.7.15 + trans class z res 15.5.19

                        13468                 Cpl J.Conway                                                                     R Irish R 5310 + trans class z res 22.2.19

                        13469                 Pte E.Begley                                                                       R Irish R 5029 + enlisted 1.6.15 + discharged 'unfit' 29.3.18

                        13470                 Cpl R.O'Brian                                                                      R Mun' Fus' 6582 + trans class Z res 9.3.19

                        13471                 Pte M.Downes                                                                     Not on roll but MIC? + R Mun' Fus' 8155 + 1st in zone 23.11.15 

                        13472                 Pte T.H.Upham                                                                   R Mun' Fus' 7/225 + 1st in zone 9.7.15 + trans class z res 13.1.19

                        13473                 Sgt J.Hackett                                                                       Leins' R 5061

                        13474                 Pte J.Fitzpatrick                                                                   Leins' R 5159 + 34th MGC 3.10.17 KIA

                        13475                 Pte J.O'Reilly                                                                       Not on roll but MIC + Leins' R 5706 + awarded SWB + discharged 'unfit'

                        13476                 Pte J.Glendinning                                                                Not on roll but MIC + RASC M/397489

                        13477                 Pte M.Higgins                                                                      Con' Rangers 6671 + trans class z res 25.5.19

                        13478                 Pte P.Higgins                                                                       Con' Rangers 6672 + 98th MGC 12.8.16 KIA

                        13479                 Pte R.Mckenna                                                                    Con' Rangers 6676 + awarded SWB + discharged 'unfit' 12.2.19  

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   Large draft from Devon Regiment who sadly suffered too many fatalities 

 

MGC number: 13480      Name: A/Sgt C.H.Nixon                          MIC/CWGC/ROLL notes: Midd' R 9802 + 1st in zone 2.2.15 +  Awarded MSM 17.1.19 + awarded                                                                                                                                                                      DCM 3.6.19 + of 58th Bn MGC + trans class z res 19.3.19

                       13481                 Pte F.Dicks                                                                            Midd' R 12881 + 1st in zone 18.1.15 + trans class B res 3.12.19

                       13482                 Pte E.Elder                                                                             Midd' R 7481 + 1st in zone 28.7.15 + 75th Bn MGC 28.10 DOW at Deir El Belah,                                                                                                                                                      Palestine

                       13483                 Pte W.Barton                                                                         Not on roll but MIC? + Midd' R 5338 + 1st in zone 7.4.15 + RE WR/279130                                                                                                                                                                + RE 347610

                       13484                 No record of issue                                                                 Not on roll

                       13485                 Pte A.French                                                                         RFA 18625 + R Scots Fus' 25807 + R Scots 31623 + R Highl' 14793

                                                                                                                                                + trans class z res 11.12.19

                       13486                 Sgt T.Allen                                                                             Devon R 3/7699 as Cpl + 1st in zone 2.10.15 + trans class z res 11.2.19

                       13487                 Pte F.H.Radmore                                                                   Devon R 20762 + trans class z res 29.5.19

                       13488                 Pte S.P.Burch                                                                         Not on roll but MIC? + Lab corps 442799

                       13489                 Pte L.Johns                                                                            Devon R 20765 + 53rd Coy MGC 16.10.16 KIA

                       13490                 Pte J.D.Semmens                                                                  Devon R 20763 + trans class z res 27.3.19 

                       13491                 Pte W.J.Windsor                                                                    Devon R 20688  + trans class z res 18.2.19

                       13492                 Pte W.J.Prigg                                                                         Devon R 20686 + 23rd Bn MGC 6.9.18 KIA near Boscon, Italy

                       13493                 Pte G.H.Hopcroft                                                                    Devon R 20711 + 53rd Coy MGC 19.7.16 DOW

                       13494                 Pte R.W.Platt                                                                          Devon R 20735 + trans class z res 16.2.19

                       13495                 Pte W.Hake                                                                             Devon R 20750 + 103rd Coy MGC 1.7.16 DOW

                       13496                 Pte W.J.Hake                                                                          Devon R 20755 + 103rd Coy MGC 4.6.17 DOW

                       13497                 Pte C.S.Allen                                                                           Devon R 20521 + 103rd Coy MGC 1.7.16 KIA

                       13498                 Pte A.Murray                                                                            Devon R 20524 + As L/Cpl 34th Bn MGC 11.4.18 KIA

                       13499                 Pte T.Howarth                                                                          Devon R 20541 + trans class z res 8.5.19

                       13500                 Cpl W.J.Townley                                                                      Devon R 20522 + trans class z res 18.3.19

                       13501                 Pte C.Berriman                                                                         Devon R 20509 + trans class z res 16.2.19

                       13502                 Pte R.Rickard                                                                           Devon R 20551 + 103rd Coy MGC 1.7.16 DOW

                       13503                 Pte W.A.Walden                                                                       Devon R 20481 + 'C' Coy 34th Bn MGC 26.7.18 DOW

                       13504                 Pte W.Verran                                                                            Devon R 20557 + 103rd Coy MGC 1.7.16 DOW

                       13505                 Pte S.Whitfield                                                                          Devon R 20531 + trans class z res 14.2.19

                                                                                 

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Hello PSiegel I have just checked on Ancestry that fortunately his service records with his soldier's effects records do exist if this is your man but I don't currently have a subscription though you could take advantage of their free  trial to view them? He sadly died on the 27.6.17 in Belgium with the 123rd Coy MGC their war diary should be on ancestry too?

 

Hope this helps

 

Lincspoacher

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Hi

I have all his military records including the war diary and visited his war grave in Belgium.

Thank you

Pamela

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Hello, sorry I couldn't add anything new to his story. Are your able to share with me when he joined the MGC and which was his first company?

 

With thanks Lincspoacher

 

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MGC number: 13506          Name: Pte J.Lees                               MIC/CWGC/Roll details: R Lancs' R 8280 + 1st in zone 23.8.14 + trans class Z res 23.3.19

                        13507                     Pte G.T.Busby                                                                 R Lancs' R 9611 + 1st in zone 15.1.15 + awarded SWB + Discharged 'unfit' 7.12.16

                        13508                     Pte R.Miskimmin                                                              R Lancs' R 21739 + discharged 'no longer required' 12.12.18

                        13509                     Sgt J.Law                                                                         R Lancs' R 18023 as Pte + 1st in zone 3.8.15 + as L/Cpl awarded MM 25.9.17

                        13510                     Pte W.Robinson                                                               not on roll but MIC? + R Lancs' R 21741 + RE 227282 + RE WR/352801

                        13511                     No record of issue                                                            not on roll

                        13512                     Pte J.H.Davies                                                                 R Lancs' R 20557 + trans class z res 23.4.19

                        13513                     Pte W.Quayle                                                                   R Lancs' R 21756 + awarded SWB + discharged 'unfit' 25.4.17

                        13514                     Pte D.Bell                                                                         R Scots Fus 33647

                        13515                     Pte D.F.Weir                                                                    R Scots Fus 31943 + discharged 'surplus by impairment' 14.12.18

                        13516                     Pte A.Floyd                                                                      R Scots Fus 28834 + trans class z res 21.4.19

                           

  

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8 hours ago, Lincspoacher said:

Hello, sorry I couldn't add anything new to his story. Are your able to share with me when he joined the MGC and which was his first company?

 

With thanks Lincspoacher

 

Percival's Attestation has two dates - 10 Dec 1915 (signature of the Justice) and 26 Jul 1916 (Approving Officer), two service numbers 37502 (crossed out) and replaced with 64306.  From what I can gather from his service records he was in the Durham R.G.A. Volunteers No 37502 then transferred to 4th Battalion Durham Light Infantry No 37502 then to Machine Gun Corp No 64306. I think he was transferred to the Machine Gun around 26 Jul 1916.

 

 

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On 14/08/2018 at 22:45, PSiegel said:

Percival's Attestation has two dates - 10 Dec 1915 (signature of the Justice) and 26 Jul 1916 (Approving Officer), two service numbers 37502 (crossed out) and replaced with 64306.  From what I can gather from his service records he was in the Durham R.G.A. Volunteers No 37502 then transferred to 4th Battalion Durham Light Infantry No 37502 then to Machine Gun Corp No 64306. I think he was transferred to the Machine Gun around 26 Jul 1916.

 

 

 

Just for clarification he attested under the Derby Scheme on 10 December 1915, and was placed in the B Army Reserve and given an armlet to show he had signed up and was willing to serve.  He was mobilised to the 4th Bn (a Reserve/Training Bn) Durham Light Infantry on the 26 July and allocated number 37502.  Two officers from the MGC visited the home units to find suitable recruits for the Corps from soldiers who had completed basic training (12 weeks).  His record shows he was transferred to the MGC on the 12 October 1916 and allocated a new Regimental number, I.e 64306.  He went to France on the 11 February 1917, and the following day arrived at the MGC Base Depot at Camiers a pretty bleak coastal town near Etaples.  From there he was posted to an active duty unit, 123 Company, on the 6th March.

 

The reference to the RGA Volunteers (the Volunteers pre date the Haldane Army Reforms which led to the formation of the Territorial Force in 1908) is previous military service.  The RGA Volunteers were only named as such in 1902 so his service would have been within the window 1902-08.  These were part time soldiers primarily engaged in coastal defence at various ‘forts’ protecting key ports.  It has no relevance to his service in the Great War.

 

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18 hours ago, kenf48 said:

 

Just for clarification he attested under the Derby Scheme on 10 December 1915, and was placed in the B Army Reserve and given an armlet to show he had signed up and was willing to serve.  He was mobilised to the 4th Bn (a Reserve/Training Bn) Durham Light Infantry on the 26 July and allocated number 37502.  Two officers from the MGC visited the home units to find suitable recruits for the Corps from soldiers who had completed basic training (12 weeks).  His record shows he was transferred to the MGC on the 12 October 1916 and allocated a new Regimental number, I.e 64306.  He went to France on the 11 February 1917, and the following day arrived at the MGC Base Depot at Camiers a pretty bleak coastal town near Etaples.  From there he was posted to an active duty unit, 123 Company, on the 6th March.

 

The reference to the RGA Volunteers (the Volunteers pre date the Haldane Army Reforms which led to the formation of the Territorial Force in 1908) is previous military service.  The RGA Volunteers were only named as such in 1902 so his service would have been within the window 1902-08.  These were part time soldiers primarily engaged in coastal defence at various ‘forts’ protecting key ports.  It has no relevance to his service in the Great War.

 

Ken

Hi Ken, Thank you so much for the detailed information. I shall go through it bit by bit along side his Military Records so I fully understand. Kind regards Pamela

 

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18 hours ago, PSiegel said:

Hi Ken, Thank you so much for the detailed information. I shall go through it bit by bit along side his Military Records so I fully understand. Kind regards Pamela

 

Hi Ken, I have now updated his Military Service in my Family Tree.  Once again, thank you for taking the time and effort to go through Percival's Military Records. 

Warmest regards

Pamela

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Hi Lincspoacher,

I am sorry to jump the list a bit, but I have been waiting hopefully for you to arrive at the 14??? series of numbers but you must have set yourself a hell of a task here!

Would you be kind and look up MGC number 14940 H.G. Fenemore - probably a Pte at the date of transfer. I believe he attested in Autumn 1915 (not sure of the exact date) in the Royal West Kent Regiment and then transferred to the MGC probably in late 1915 or early 1916. He gained a MM with 76 Coy MGC. His service records are missing so any dates you can give me would be really appreciated. I have seen various different spellings of his name (MIC, 76 Coy War Diary etc) so if you have a name that sounds like this, with that service number, it will be him. Thanks.

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On 17/09/2018 at 15:38, Ray76 said:

Hi Lincspoacher,

I am sorry to jump the list a bit, but I have been waiting hopefully for you to arrive at the 14??? series of numbers but you must have set yourself a hell of a task here!

Would you be kind and look up MGC number 14940 H.G. Fenemore - probably a Pte at the date of transfer. I believe he attested in Autumn 1915 (not sure of the exact date) in the Royal West Kent Regiment and then transferred to the MGC probably in late 1915 or early 1916. He gained a MM with 76 Coy MGC. His service records are missing so any dates you can give me would be really appreciated. I have seen various different spellings of his name (MIC, 76 Coy War Diary etc) so if you have a name that sounds like this, with that service number, it will be him. Thanks.

 

I think you are quite close, 11117 Harman enlisted Maidstone 15 November 1915 (posted 8 Bn).  Pte Fenemore 11118 was probably behind him in the queue.  He did not serve overseas with the RWK.

 

 Best estimate of his transfer to MGC is posting to Grantham on 1 January 1916.  I suspect he went overseas with 76 Company in March and into the field with them in April 1916, as did 14941 Frankel.  Pte Frankel was from Birmingham and enlisted in August 1915, key parts of his record have survived. I am unable to confirm Fenemore followed the same path but it seems quite likely.

 

Ken 

 

 

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Thanks Ken. Great info. I'll take a look at Frankel's records to see if I can find any more pieces of the jigsaw that might fit.

 

Ray

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I hope it's OK to ask the question here but my Grandad served with the MGC, I applied for his medal records and got back two cards with the same name Frederick J Penfold 83534 and 145957. The medals I have with his name relate to 145957 he did survive the war but I never asked about his service as it was not the thing to do when I was a child unfortunately. I believe he use to look after the mules carrying supplies to the trenches but again I cannot be sure.

I can't work out why he would have two service numbers with the MGC and would any regiment photos be available or service photos as the family do not have any.

Steve

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Hi Steve,

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

2 hours ago, G19 said:

I can't work out why he would have two service numbers with the MGC

 

Before joining the MGC, Frederick served with the Army Service Corps. The 145957 number was his ASC number. He has service papers on Findmypast here. They should also be on Ancestry.

 

Regards

Chris

 

Edit: He transferred 17th January 1917

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2 hours ago, clk said:

Hi Steve,

 

Welcome to the forum.

 

 

Before joining the MGC, Frederick served with the Army Service Corps. The 145957 number was his ASC number. He has service papers on Findmypast here. They should also be on Ancestry.

 

Regards

Chris

 

Edit: He transferred 17th January 1917

Hi Chris

 

Many thanks I guess that does seem to make sense as the ASC were responsible for transportation. 

 

So his service number with the MGC was the 83534, how would I be able to find out why the transfer, would any records show that type of information.

 

I did have a search on Forces-War-Records.co.uk can find reference to him under the ASC but change the search to the MGC Service Number and it does not find anything, not sure I want to start a subscription to a site which cannot find a MGC service number.

 

The more I read the more intrigued I become.

 

Steve

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5 hours ago, G19 said:

 

So his service number with the MGC was the 83534, how would I be able to find out why the transfer, would any records show that type of information.

 

I did have a search on Forces-War-Records.co.uk can find reference to him under the ASC but change the search to the MGC Service Number and it does not find anything, not sure I want to start a subscription to a site which cannot find a MGC service number.

 

 

 

 

The records referred to by Chris and available on FMP show he was transferred on the authority of War Office Telegram 3425 from the Adjutant General dated 9/1/1917.  The A-G office is responsible for personnel or 'Human Resources' in the Army.  Essentially two officers from the MGC visited home service units to find suitable candidates for the Corps.  He did not serve overseas with the ASC but was posted to the BEF with the  MGC on the 27th March 1918 he was posted to the MG Base Depot which was at Camiers.

He was posted to 101st Bn MGC on the 2 August 1918 as a Private but the same day was appointed as a Saddler.

 

We know he did not serve overseas with the ASC as the medals are named to the unit served in when he first entered a theatre of war.

 

His appointment as a saddler strongly suggests he spent his service looking after the mules or horses.

 

Generally folk on here have a pretty poor opinion of Forces War Records (there are threads on the topic).  FMP and Ancestry both offer free trials or can be viewed at your local library for free.

 

The war diary of 101st Bn MGC can be downloaded from TNA http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/c5b619121f7e409f80097f8fa879815c

formerly a Yeomanry Battalion they were Army Troops. The Battalion was renamed the 101st  in August 1918 shortly after Pte Penfold transferred.

 

Ken

 

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Ken many thanks for the extra information, to be honest I have only looked at this thread and it got me interested again in trying to find out more about my grandads service in WW1.

I recently had a day visited to Ypres and Tyne Cot Memorial and just walking around came across a grave for an unknown soldier from the MGC which renewed my interest in trying to find out more about my grandad who did survive WW1.

 

I am not sure I am reading your reply correctly as the war medals have his ASC service number on them but you are saying he did not serve overseas with the ASC. If his first encounter in a theatre of war was with the MGC would that not be the service number on the medals or am I confusing things.

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