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Hopefully this is the right place for this but I found an interesting list while searching for details of the Machine gun corps.  Part of the 'Daily Orders List' issued at Grantham on the 10.3.1916 that details new transfers with their old/new service number, former unit and the new company to which they are to be assigned with ranks too! I have been trying to post a copy here but I will work on transcripts of the list in the hope I could find the list I am looking for in the future?  I will try to make the best copy I can but the original is damaged in places so have tried to complete from other sources!

 

Transfers to 47th Coy MGC to be ineffect from 26.2.1916

 

New number: 13439            Name: Pte A. Tyler             Former unit and number:  14th Rifle Bde 14328

                       13440                       L/Cpl  F. Gardiner                                             10th Border Reg 21653

                       13441                       Pte W. Johnstone                                             10th Border Reg 23439

                       13442                       Pte ****                                                              10th Border Reg 21249

                       13443                       Pte A. Garratt                                                    10th Border Reg 18117

                       13444                       Pte G.E. Almond                                               10th Border Reg 19198

                       13445                       Pte H. Porter                                                     10th Border Reg 21*1*               (MIC notes 2nd Bedfords 9120?)

                                                                                                                                                                                      ( CWGC notes DOW 22.10.16 MGC 12th Coy?)

 

                       13446                       Pte J Crossthwaite                                            10th Border Reg 23419

                       13447                       Pte W McKie                                                     10th Border Reg 21420

                       13448                       Cpl G. H. Davidson                                           10th Border Reg 5293

                       

More of the list soon! Lincspoacher

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Hi lincspoacher,

Grareful if you check your list and see id there is a Cavanagh on it

 

Regards

 

Gerry

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Hello thanks for your interest but sorry not on the list that I have but if I find out I will post the details later! Lincspoacher

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Many thanks to you

Gerry

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Next part of 47th Coy Mgc transfers in effect from 26.2.16

 

New number: 13449            Name: Pte J. Dunn               Former unit and number: 11th  L.N. Lancs reg 22822

                       13450                       Cpl  N.S. Howe                                                  11th  L.N. Lancs reg 21909

                       13451                       Pte A. Atkinson                                                   11th L.N. Lancs reg 22995

                       11665                       Sgt L.J. Pope                                                       21st Welsh reg 16849

 

Transfers in effect from 1.3.16

 

                       11660                       Cpl T. Wilson                                                     5th Royal Irish Rifles 5291    (MIC notes MGC numbers J/1160 and 1163?)

                       11661                       L/Cpl W. Staples                                                5th Royal Irish Rifles 8178    (MIC notes C.V.Staples? CWGC notes KIA 16.8.17 MGC 47th coy)

                       11662                       Pte C. Fitton                                                       5th Royal Irish Rifles 8247    (MIC notes RFA 998807?)   

                       11663                       Pte J. B. Scott                                                    5th Royal Irish Rifles 6095

                       11664                       Pte *. Flemming                                                  5th Royal Irish Rifles 6027    (MIC notes 6027 as Pte H Paden?) 

                        

Next company soon,Lincspoacher

                       

 

 

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Transfers to 48th Company MGC ineffect from 26.2.16

 

New number: 13238           Name: Pte A. Bloomfield             Former unit and number:  3rd suffolk reg 8910

                       13239                      Pte H. *eard                                                               3rd suffolk reg 7597

                       13240                      Pte A. Pointer                                                            3rd suffolk reg 9093

                       13241                      Pte P.M. Jay                                                              3rd suffolk reg 12779

                       13242                      Pte C. Thulbourn                                                       3rd suffolk reg 7924

                       13243                      Pte H. Chiddick                                                          3rd suffolk reg 9146

                       13244                      Pte A.Penddrick                                                         3rd suffolk reg 9718

                       13245                      Pte W Goodwin                                                          3rd suffolk reg 17301

                       13246                      Pte F. Stockdale                                                         3rd suffolk reg 15458

                       13247                      Pte A.Keeble                                                              3rd suffolk reg 19022

                       13248                      Pte W.Howard                                                            3rd suffolk reg 9224

                       13266                      Sgt H.Smith                                                                3rd suffolk reg 8012          (MIC's note rank CSM)

                       

More of the list soon! Lincspoacher

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Rest of the 48th MGC company transfers with effect 26.2.16

 

New number: 13249          Name: Cpl J.Moore                      Former unit and number: 3rd Loyal North Lancs reg 22523

                       13250                     Pte  R.C Etheridge                                                    10th Suffolk reg 23323

                       13251                     Pte H.T Betts                                                             10th Suffolk reg 22715

                       13252                     Pte J James                                                               10th Suffolk reg 23130

                       13253                     Pte A Ladbrooke                                                        10th Suffolk reg 23329 (MIC notes A/Sgt L.A. Ludbrook MGC)

                       13254                     Pte F.J. Smith                                                             10th Suffolk reg 22519

                       13255                     Pte R.C. Cropley                                                        10th Suffolk reg 22846 (CWGC notes KIA 25.5.17 with 198th MGC)

                       13256                     Pte S Tiske                                                                 10th Suffolk reg 23125 (MIC notes S.W. Fisk)

                       13257                     Pte T Rose                                                                  10th Suffolk reg 23184

                       13258                     Pte  T Hickford                                                            10th Suffolk reg 22**5  (MIC notes also 490859 Lab Corps)  

                       13259                     Pte E Braine                                                                10th Sullok reg 22864

                       13260                     Pte  C. Rose                                                                10th Suffolk reg 23185

                       13261                     Pte J Brazier                                                                10th Suffolk reg 22687 

 

More lists soon! Lincspoacher                 

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Hello Lincspoacher,

Thanks so much for posting the MGC lists. Could you take a look at your remaining lists and check for anyone named Birch please. My uncle, Jim Birch, served in 5th tank corps, KIA April 1918 at Meteren

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Hello cbirch thank you for your encouragement of my post I will keep it going! I have just had a good look around but I haven't seen any of your family mentioned yet but I will post details if I do. I have the same problem with my Great grandfathers war service in that I know which regiment he was at the end but not where he started! Wish you well in your search, Lincspoacher 

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Sorry for the delay but I now have some more units to add to the list though much damaged I have tried to reconstruct it from other sources!

 

 

Transfers to 14th MGC depot company with effect from 12.2.16

 

New number:  9133                     Pte W. Sentence            Former unit and number:        9th Lincolns reg 19126

                       9134                     Pte D. Braider                                                                 9th Lincolns reg 19025 (MIC notes as Pte Brader)

 

Transfers to 14th MGC depot company with effect from 16.2.16

 

New number: 9135          Name:  Pte W. Yates                      Former unit and number: 4th Scotish Rifles 16706

                       9141                      Pte G. Bailey                                                               3rd KOSB 22063

                       9142                      Pte J.W. Mc Gowan                                                    3rd KOSB 22056

                       9143                      Pte A.Proverbs                                                            3rd KOSB 22041 (MIC notes also R Fusiliers GS/112103)

                       9144                      Pte H. Bamfoot                                                            3rd KOSB 22052 (MIC notes Pte Bamford)

                       9145                      Pte J. Ross                                                                  3rd KOSB 22090

                       9146                      Cpl W.H. Lambert                                                        11th Devons reg 20162 (MIC notes as Sgt)

                       9147                      Pte T.Bone                                                                   11th Devons reg 20650 (MIC notes as Pte Boam)

                       9148                      Pte C.Blackmore                                                          11th Devons reg 20679

                       9149                      Pte  W. Marcroft                                                           11th Devons reg 20664 (CWGC KIA 14.6.18 in 29th Bn MGC)  

                       9150                       Pte H.Haigh                                                                 11th Devons 20649 (MIC notes 135180 MGC Cav)

                       9151                       A/Sgt C.Harrison                                                          4th Scotish Rifles 19612 (MIC Scot Rif 19621 + RFA 71676)

 

Update of missing numbers with details from MIC's so unsure of when transfer occured or which bat/coy was involved but added to complete the list?

 

Mgc number: 9136       Name:Cpl S.J.Kemp     Other unit served with: Royal Highlanders 12476

                      9137                 Cpl H.Holmes                                          W Yorks R 17429

                      9138                 Pte W.A.Jones                                         W Yorks R 17423 + RE 283015 + RE WR/273830

                      9139                 Pte F.Keat                                                Lab C 377987

                      9140                 Pte P.White                                              W Yorks R 19029                

 

 

More lists soon! Lincspoacher                 

 

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Update of missing numbers with details from MIC's so unsure of when transfer occured or which bat/coy was involved but added to complete the list?

 

Mgc number: 9152           Name: Pte H.H.Hughes             Other unit served: Lincolns 19092

                      9153                       A/Sgt R.Culmer                                           Hampshires 9554           

 

Transfers to 15th MGC depot company with effect from 12.2.16

 

New number: 9154          Name:  Sgt S.Ellis                           Former unit and number: 3rd Lincolns 16886

                       9155                      Sgt H. Race                                                                 3rd Lincolns 7222

                       9156                      Cpl J. Scott                                                                  3rd Lincolns 7000 (MIC notes as Sgt and WO 11)

                       9157                      Pte T. Beckett                                                              3rd Lincolns 13911 (MIC notes as Sgt)

                       9158                      Pte G. Bowler                                                               3rd Lincolns 13937

                       9159                      Pte J. Berrington                                                           3rd Lincolns 16648                                  

                       9160                      Pte G. Coupland                                                           3rd Lincolns 15808

                       9161                      Pte J.E. Clarke                                                             3rd Lincolns 15536 (CWGC notes DOW 11.4.17, 10th Coy MGC)

                       9162                      Pte L. Doggett                                                              3rd Lincolns 8216 (MIC notes as Sgt)

                       9163                      Pte  W. Day                                                                  3rd Lincolns 15407  

                       9164                      Pte F. Foster                                                                 3rd Lincolns 18920

                       9165                      Pte S. Green                                                                 3rd Lincolns 16673

                       9166                      Pte G. Gibson                                                               3rd Lincolns 10391

                       9167                      Pte A. Graves                                                               3rd Lincolns 18902

                       9168                      Pte A. Hacon                                                                3rd Lincolns 15941 (Has 2 MIC's!)

                       9169                      Pte E. Hurrell                                                                3rd Lincolns 7338 (MIC + RASC M/41854) 

                       9170                      Pte G. Johnson                                                             3rd Lincolns 18913 ( No MIC records?)

                       9171                      Pte G. T. Quinn                                                             ************** 10411 (MIC notes 6th Lincolns)

                       9172                      Pte J. Sargent                                                               ************** 13455    

 

                       9192                     Cpl T.D. Walters                                                              13th Notts and Derby 28164 (MIC notes A/C/Sgt)

                       9193                     Cpl P. Powell                                                                   3rd Manchesters 1668

                       9194                     Cpl  J. Wellings                                                                10th S Staffs 19951 (MIC notes Sgt)

                       9195                     Pte E. Barlow                                                                   10th S Staffs 1*298 (No MIC records?)

                       9196                     Pte G. Hobbs                                                                   10th S Staffs 2323 (No MIC records?)

                       **23                      Cpl B Brindle                                                                    13th W Yorks 19645 

  

Update of missing numbers with details from MIC's so unsure of when transfer occured or which bat/coy was involved but added to complete the list as above.Lincspoacher

 

MGC number: 9173         Name:Pte T.B.Simpson     Other unit served: Lincs R 18803

                       9174                       (No record of overseas service of this number)

                       9175                    Pte G.Kirk                                              Linc R 9863

                       9176                    Cpl G.Redman                                       Lincs R 9748 + Liverpool R 10485

                       9177                    CQMS H.Franks                                    Yorks and Lancs R + Gazetted Temp 2nd Lieut 8.12.17 + Awarded MC

                       9178                    Sgt R.F.Speedy                                      MGC Motors + Gazetted Temp 2nd + Tank Corps

                       9179                       (No record of overseas service of this number)

                       9180                    Sgt W.Wrigglesworth                             Yorks LI 10500

                       9181                    Sgt W.Cork

                       9182                       (No record of overseas service of this number) 

                       9183                     Pte A.Farrar                                           Yorks LI 11159

                       9184                     Pte F.Hurst                                             Yorks LI 9537

                       9185                     Pte K.Johnson                                        Yorks LI 25580

                       9186                     Pte J.R.Lawrence                                   Yorks LI 16700

                       9187                     Pte A.S.Scatchard                                  Yorks LI 25209 

                       9188                     Pte H.Wood                                            YorKs LI 25597

                       9189                     Pte  F.Windmill                                        Yorks LI 25212

                       9190                     Pte J.H.Wilkins                                        Yorks LI 21718

                       9191                     Cpl L.Stones                                            Notts and Derby R 18885                                                                   

 

 

More lists soon! If anyone has similar lists please let  me know,Lincspoacher                

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Is there a Skipp? I have his diary which includes his time at Grantham.

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Thank you for your question Dragon I have just had a look but sorry I couldn't find Skipp on the lists I have, Lincspoacher

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Thank you for looking.

 

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Transfers from the 17th Cheshires to 15th depot company MGC in effect from 15.3.16

 

Mgc number: 28204        Name: Pte G. Bennett                     Former number: 30110 (MIC notes John T. Bennett)

                      28205                    Pte C. Bennett                                                30140

                      28206                    Pte R. Cook                                                    30186 (MIC notes as Cooke 53067 and in KOYLI 58170?)

                      28207                    Pte T. Conroy                                                  3285

                      28208                    Pte Haywood                                                  30128 (MIC  notes as A.E. Haywood and Lab C 648073)

 

Transfers from the 17th Cheshires to 120th company MGC in effect from 15.3.16

 

                      28209                    Pte G. Powell                                                  30317

                      28210                    Pte W. Read                                                    30017

                      28211                    Pte H.W. Whalley                                            30247 (2 MIC's! notes as A.H. Whalley A/Sgt)

                      28212                    Pte H. Wright                                                   30245

                      28213                    Pte F. Webley                                                  30332

                      28214                    Pte  E. Yates                                                    29866

 

More of this list soon! Linspoacher

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Hello Sajackr I don't have a list with your Great grandfather on but I have done some maths and looking around so may have something for you? Based on other records he may have served with the 8th Somerset LI (when comparing his number to others) with a transfer to the 68th MGC with group of around 10 men from his old unit about January 1916. After the MG training the company went to France in March 1916 to join 68th Brigade, 23rd Division before the German offensive on Vimy ridge in May. Not sure if any of my ideas make any sense to you as mainly guess work? Lincspoacher

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A few more names to the 17th Cheshires transfers to 120th coy MGC

 

Mgc number: 28215        Name: Pte Shenton                         Former number: 30056 (MIC notes as G.Shenton 53052)

                      28216                    Pte P. Miller                                                    30185

                      28217                    Pte J. Miler                                                     30187 (MIC notes as Cpl J Miller)

                      28218                    Pte Shannon                                                   29768 (MIC notes as P.Shannon + Lab Corps 114390?)

                      28219                    Pte G. Sutton                                                  20463 (MIC notes as J.Millward?)

                      28220                    Pte E. Whitehouse                                          30391

                      28221                    Pte J. Williams                                                30231 (MIC notes as J.T.Smith?)

                      28222                    Pte Bailey                                                        21028

                      28223                    Pte Boyle                                                         3002*

                      28224                    Pte Hyslop                                                       21979 (MIC notes as W.Hyslop + Lab Corps 239262?)

                      28225                    Pte Mcgreal                                                     29905 (MIC notes as J.J.Mcgreal 52833 + MGC 25336?)

 

I have seen that this group of men were from the 'Bantam' units of the Cheshires? More soon. Lincspoacher

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Thanks very much Lincspoacher.

 

Nice guess work as it tallies with pretty much what I have already found out, but thanks for looking

 

R'ds

Sajackr

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Impressive lists that will help make sense of the MGC! I have also stumbled across other MGC lists, not sure if you want those as well? They are lists of deaths of MGC men which give - name, rank, MGC number, how died/date, place of enlistment and former number/unit. Here's one to look at. Could post more if you wanted to take this on?

 

Incidentally, some of the MIC cross-referencing is causing you trouble: EG

28219                    Pte G. Sutton                                                  20463 (MIC notes as J.Millward?)

Sutton's MIC is here on ancestry, shows he served in a theatre of war (in order) - MGC 28219; Cheshire Regt 52025; ASC M-377162. His former number of 20463 with the Cheshires doesn't show as he did not serve abroad with this number.

 

Millward's MIC shows only 20463 Cheshires, presumably the same number could be used across different battalions.

 

Same could apply to 28221                    Pte J. Williams                                                30231 (MIC notes as J.T.Smith?)

 

Still a valuable resource for original, pre-transfer regiments and numbers for men where this info is otherwise lost ie no service record and service not indicated by medal information.

TEW

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Hello thank you for your advice TEW I am fairly new to this and didn't know about the detail that a MIC shows numbers where overseas service happened but not home service! I listed these for the reason you mentioned that they help fill in missing details of soldier's service much as with the reason I found them when I was searching for traces of my Great grandfathers ww1 activities. I couldn't access the link you gave for the details of deaths in the MGC with their prior service but I would welcome your help by adding to this potentual database of lost references anything that you think may help in the area you mentioned, with thanks Lincspoacher 

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Sorry, I assumed you had FMP subscription as I thought I found your list on there that you started in post#15.

 

Anyway, back to 28221                    Pte J. Williams                                                30231 (MIC notes as J.T.Smith?)

 

I couldn't find his MIC on ancestry but it is indexed at TNA and shows his overseas service as 28221 MGC; 45421 Cheshires. Looks like both Sutton and Williams reverted to the Cheshire Regiment after a stint in the MGC.

 

TEW

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I have been a member in the past but only usually take advantage of the free weekends! I have seen a few discrepencies with this series and the Cheshires like only surnames or big differences in service numbers like the clerk was having problems some how? There could be  lot of movement in units as I found that the 17th were originally a reserve for the 15th and 16th 'Bantam' battalions?

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22 hours ago, TEW said:

 

 

Anyway, back to 28221                    Pte J. Williams                                                30231 (MIC notes as J.T.Smith?)

 

I couldn't find his MIC on ancestry but it is indexed at TNA and shows his overseas service as 28221 MGC; 45421 Cheshires. Looks like both Sutton and Williams reverted to the Cheshire Regiment after a stint in the MGC.

 

TEW

 

His medal roll entry is informative, if a little confusing

 

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/5119/41629_612057_10604-00130?pid=4916076&backurl=http://search.ancestry.co.uk//cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DQNa15%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26db%3DIWOServiceMedalAwardRolls%26gss%3Dangs-d%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26_F8007A65%3D45421%26_F8007A65_x%3D1%26MSAV%3D1%26uidh%3Dyi4%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D24%26h%3D4916076%26recoff%3D120%20121%26ml_rpos%3D25&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=QNa15&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true#?imageId=41629_612057_10604-00130

 

Ken

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