michaeldr Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 and there's a tank in the background - was this taken at a demonstration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 10 minutes ago, neverforget said: Uncle George, your picture looks a bit strange. It's almost as if the two men ate stood in front of a stage backdrop ... I know exactly what you mean: that "tank" looks very odd. But the IWM caption tells us that the two men are watching a tank demonstration at Sautricourt. 10 minutes ago, Knotty said: NF looks like Tank Corps to me,when enlarged That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, michaeldr said: and there's a tank in the background - was this taken at a demonstration Indeed - it took me so long to post #7794 it got overtaken by yours. Edited 20 December , 2017 by Uncle George confusion over post numbers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 I believe you've given it away. Is it Brigadier General Sir Hugh Elles, commander of the Tank Corps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 1 minute ago, neverforget said: I believe you've given it away. Is it Brigadier General Sir Hugh Elles, commander of the Tank Corps? Indeed it is. http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205091047 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 Neverforget Your No.7779 sent me off to look at something which I've had tucked away on file here for quite some time I don't suppose your chap is on here but you may wish to use the officer in a future WiT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 6 minutes ago, michaeldr said: Neverforget Your No.7779 sent me off to look at something which I've had tucked away on file here for quite some time I don't suppose your chap is on here but you may wish to use the officer in a future WiT Very kind of you Michael, but in order to do that I would have to know who he is, and I haven't a clue. Perhaps we could consider it now as someone put forward by your good self? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, neverforget said: Perhaps we could consider it now as someone put forward by your good self? If these things can run concurrently, then OK Edited 20 December , 2017 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 As it is topical round about today- this young chap? (No, not Jeremy Corbyn) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 2 hours ago, neverforget said: One particular horse holds some relevance, but not cavalry. Really it's just a tale of two injuns. NF Took a bit of searching before finding him, but the top chap is Albert Mountain Horse, a true native of Canada, unfortunately lost his life to the effects of gas in 1915. His elder brothers were also enlisted as soldiers and served in the Great War. http://www.cardstonhistoricalsociety.org/galleries/heroes/pdf/136599 Albert Mountain Horse.pdf http://av.canadiana.ca/en/veteran/1191 The second fellow must have something to do with him but age wise there must be a couple of generations between them, cannot find a reference yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 30 minutes ago, Knotty said: NF Took a bit of searching before finding him, but the top chap is Albert Mountain Horse, a true native of Canada, unfortunately lost his life to the effects of gas in 1915. His elder brothers were also enlisted as soldiers and served in the Great War. http://www.cardstonhistoricalsociety.org/galleries/heroes/pdf/136599 Albert Mountain Horse.pdf http://av.canadiana.ca/en/veteran/1191 The second fellow must have something to do with him but age wise there must be a couple of generations between them, cannot find a reference yet. Albert Mountain Horse is correct John, and as you rightly say, the other fellow is indeed related to him, but by two generations less than a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 2 hours ago, michaeldr said: If these things can run concurrently, then OK Is it Tobias Frazier, a Choctaw Indian code talker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 6 hours ago, neverforget said: One of them kept a diary: It was Alberts brother Michael, cannot believe the clarity of the photo, looks to modern. Fair play NF, I even said he had two serving brothers, but could not find any images to relate to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 Well that's finally put that one to bed. I thought he was a magnificent specimen in his mufti. See his likeness here, which is where I found the story. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1300818/mad-frankie-fraser-was-the-son-of-a-native-american-woman-and-a-canadian-fur-trader-who-lived-like-the-character-of-leonardo-di-caprio-in-movie-the-revenant/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, neverforget said: Is it Tobias Frazier, a Choctaw Indian code talker? No, this is Great War and a Canadian The lens does not lie, but he fooled the MO and knocked a decade+ off his age His middle initial was 'O' and there are two versions of what that represents The Mohawk one translates as 'beautiful mountain' Edited 20 December , 2017 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 51 minutes ago, michaeldr said: No, this is Great War and a Canadian The lens does not lie, but he fooled the MO and knocked a decade+ off his age His middle initial was 'O' and there are two versions of what that represents The Mohawk one translates as 'beautiful mountain' Is it this chap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, michaeldr said: No, this is Great War and a Canadian The Beautiful Mountain reference helped me as I came across it looking for NF’s A.M Horse and brothers of the Blood Tribe.. Onondeyho or Fred O Loft (O= Ogilvie) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Loft Bu**er, must have been millisecond in posting, your first NF. Edited 20 December , 2017 by Knotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 Bu**er, beaten to it by seconds, all yours NF Just GUEST’s jc lookalike to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 Well done chaps!!!! Just take a minute and look at his Bio here http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/loft_frederick_ogilvie_16E.html Well worth the read I believe [the picture which I posted is from a contemporary French language publication le Miroir] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 29 minutes ago, michaeldr said: Well done chaps!!!! Just take a minute and look at his Bio here http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/loft_frederick_ogilvie_16E.html Well worth the read I believe [the picture which I posted is from a contemporary French language publication le Miroir] Yes that's quite a biography. An extraordinary man. Joined up at 56 years of age, met the King, and most certainly a first generation hero in many ways. Good post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 I need to work harder to keep up; I was convinced that Hugh Elles was a Canadian indian chief at one point there; I was all ready to reavaluate Cambrai. Crazy. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 19 minutes ago, Fattyowls said: I need to work harder to keep up; I was convinced that Hugh Elles was a Canadian indian chief at one point there; I was all ready to reavaluate Cambrai. Crazy. Pete. Perhaps while he was a Regional Commissioner during the Second World War? Wondered what that Indian chief was doing in the middle of a group of fire,em and police inspectors.......as if Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 Good points M.V; is your grinning chap still on the go or has that one passed me by too? Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 18 minutes ago, Fattyowls said: Good points M.V; is your grinning chap still on the go or has that one passed me by too? Pete. Pete-On the go- My apologies-I had not realised we were log-jammed with WIT candidates. Your comment about him being a "grinning chap" will come back to bite-this man was anything but a barrel of laughs. A couple of "wet haddock round the face" clues- Think Bill Ottley and orchestral music by Shoskatovich and you should get to him. Clear as a ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 20 December , 2017 Share Posted 20 December , 2017 No apologies needed M. V; it's me that is struggling to keep up. Perhaps being attacked by freshly caught fish might be the answer; I've been trying to clear my Christmas earworms with wall to wall 80's soul classics as an interim measure. I started looking for luminaries of the Russian Revolution when I first saw him, so far without success. Probably best for me to keep listening to Patrice Rushen rather than looking for more Russians. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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