Toontraveller Posted 28 November , 2021 Share Posted 28 November , 2021 40 minutes ago, horatio2 said: He was discharged by purchase on 27 September 1907 and joined the Royal Fleet Reserve the following day. Thanks horatio2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 28 November , 2021 Share Posted 28 November , 2021 1 hour ago, Toontraveller said: He was killed on the 15 th October 1914 onboard HMS Hawke a training ship, whilst off the coast of Aberdeen, by U-9. HMS HAWKE had been employed as a training cruiser before the war but was now serving in the 10th Cruiser Squadron, enforcing the blockade of Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 28 November , 2021 Share Posted 28 November , 2021 WEST MIDLANDS POLICE GREAT WAR MEMORIAL SITE http://www.policewarmemorial.uk :-) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toontraveller Posted 28 November , 2021 Share Posted 28 November , 2021 5 hours ago, Toontraveller said: I recognise this is an old post but have just discovered it whilst researching Metropolitan Police Officers who died in WW1. Just in case someone in the future is researching him I have included some details below. Frederick Charles Raines dob 9 .3.1882 born Throwley, near Faversham, Kent . He applied to join the Metropolitan Police and was examined for appointment on the 13 th August 1907. At that time he was living at 11 Redress Road, Chalk Pit Hill , , Kent. Chatham. He was described as 5’9” tall, blue, eyes, fair complexion, light coloured hair. He was still serving in the Royal Navy, where he had completed 7 years service at the time of his application . Stoker RN 296016. He joined the Metropolitan Police (MP) on 4.11.1907 allocated warrant number 95115 and posted to J Division ( Hackney, East London) where he remained throughout his service. As a Royal Navy reservist ( RFR/CH/B/4733) he was recalled to the Royal Navy on the 2 nd August 1914 . He is recorded in MP Police Orders dated 5.8.1914 as Pc 282 J Division warrant number 95115 Raines. He was killed on the 15 th October 1914 onboard HMS Hawke a training ship, whilst off the coast of Aberdeen, by U-9. His death was reported in MP Police Order 24.10.1914. He is remembered on Chatham Naval Memorial, Kent and The Metropolitan Police Roll of Honour. I have not fully researched him yet but will do in the next week or so. I managed to have a quick check tonight and also killed alongside PC Raines on HMS Hawke was Pc Frank Smith 552 R Division ( Greenwich) Warrant number 95332. Born 25.1.1883 at Hunsdon, Hertfordshire. Joined the Royal Navy 25 th January 1901 purchased shore leave 23 rd November 1907. Joined the Metropolitan Police 6 th January 1908. He was also a RN reservist recalled to the Navy via MP Police order 5.8.1914. RN service number ( Chatham base) 202637 and Reserve number RFR/CH/ B4823. Apologies no photograph of him just yet. 4 hours ago, horatio2 said: HMS HAWKE had been employed as a training cruiser before the war but was now serving in the 10th Cruiser Squadron, enforcing the blockade of Germany. Thank you horatio2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoEssGee Posted 2 December , 2021 Share Posted 2 December , 2021 On 28/11/2021 at 13:06, Toontraveller said: In relation to the post regarding Police Officers who served in the Scots Guards I know of 6 Metropolitan Police Officers who were killed during WW1 whilst serving in the Scots Guards I am sure there are more who survived but will have to look up my research today or tomorrow and post the details when I have a moment. There were about 4,500 who served in WW1 from the Metropolitan Police. It was I who asked this question back in 2014. Research in various places led me to identify 5 Metropolitan Police officers who died or were killed whilst serving with the Scots Guards. They were:- John William Bullard William Reynolds Gordon Smith Hugh Kenneth Tolmie Edward Whorley I found one other man, Joseph Collins, who had previously been a Constable in the Met, but I believe he had left prior to the War. I'd be interested to know if these are the men that you have identified, and any that I might have missed. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toontraveller Posted 3 December , 2021 Share Posted 3 December , 2021 TwoEssGee, good morning. Thank you for your response. I am out all day today and will look up details tonight for you when I get back home when I will be able to access the research . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toontraveller Posted 3 December , 2021 Share Posted 3 December , 2021 21 hours ago, TwoEssGee said: It was I who asked this question back in 2014. Research in various places led me to identify 5 Metropolitan Police officers who died or were killed whilst serving with the Scots Guards. They were:- John William Bullard William Reynolds Gordon Smith Hugh Kenneth Tolmie Edward Whorley I found one other man, Joseph Collins, who had previously been a Constable in the Met, but I believe he had left prior to the War. I'd be interested to know if these are the men that you have identified, and any that I might have missed. Thanks. Hi, on checking my records tonight I have the following Metropolitan Police Officers who were killed or DOAS whilst serving with the Scots Guards. 1. PC 352 J Division warrant number 103041 John William Bullard - Private 18654 Scots Guards DOAS 23.10.1918. 2. William Reynolds - No trace , only one Reynolds killed but not a William Reynolds, would like to more details if possible. PM me to discuss? 3. PC 602 E Division warrant number 96592 Gordon Smith - Private 12360 2 nd Battalion Scots Guards . DoW 2.7.1916. Reservist recalled to Regiment (Met. Police Order dated 8.8.1914) 4. PC 390 L Division warrant number 90380 Hugh Kenneth Tolmie - L/Cpl. 11536 2 nd Battalion Scots Guards KIA 18 th May 1915 5. PC 971 Y Division warrant number 103626 Edward Whorley - Private 6246 1 st Battalion Scots Guards KIA 17.6.1916. reservist recalled to Regiment ( Met. Police Order 8.8.1914) 6. Joseph Collins no information would like to know more please. 7. PC 289 M Division warrant number 103432 Edwin John Burge - Private 7393 1 st Battalion Scots Guards. KIA 12.11.1914. Reservist recalled to Regiment.(Met.Police Order 8.8.1914) 8. PC 904 S Division warrant number 103364 Fred Hutchinson L/Cpl. 6050 1st Battalion Scots Guards KIA 14.9.1914. Reservist recalled to Regiment ( Met.Police Order 8.8.1914) 9 PC 826 R Division warrant number 102829 James A Oliver - Sgt. 6406 2 nd Battalion Scots Guards KIA 25.12.1915. Reservist recalled to Regiment ( Met.Police Order 8.8.1914) Any questions just send me a message and I will check details.Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoEssGee Posted 3 December , 2021 Share Posted 3 December , 2021 Thank you very much for this information. I was unaware of Burge, Hutchinson and Oliver having been Scots Guardsmen. I've sent you a PM regarding Reynolds and Collins. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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