oak Posted 17 May , 2005 Share Posted 17 May , 2005 I'd be very grateful if anyone could supply/confirm, with source details, information on the miscellaneous groupings who were on the SS River Clyde on 25 April. Apart from Royal Munster Fusiliers, Hampshire Regiment, Royal Dublin Fusiliers and the Armoured Car Section of the Royal Naval Air Service (what a colourful group!), I have been told that the Royal Munster Fusiliers official history names the West Riding Field Engineers, two sub-division Field Ambulance, one platoon "Anson" Battalion, Royal Naval Division and one signal section. Regards, Philip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 17 May , 2005 Share Posted 17 May , 2005 Philip, 1 RMF 2 Hants (less 2 Cos) 1 Coy., 1 RDF 1 Pltn., Anson Bn., GHQ Sig Sec W.R. Fd. Coy. R.E. 3 Br. Subdivs This is how the diagram in the British OH shows those landing from the ‘River Clyde’ However if one turns to p41 of the Rudges’ ‘Helles Landing - Gallipoli’ in the Battleground Europe series, they have a photograph of the original document and the last two units seem to be W. Riding Fld Co. RE (less 1 Sec) 3 B(undecipherable) Sub(also undecipherable) 89th Fd Ambul. I stress that this is regarding those actually landing The Maxims of the RNAS were providing covering fire from the ‘River Clyde’ And not part of the landing force at that stage I hope that this helps Regards Michael D.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 18 May , 2005 Share Posted 18 May , 2005 I think that the bottom line is ‘3 Bearer Subdivisions……’ Does this pic help? Regards Michael D.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plummed Goose Posted 18 May , 2005 Share Posted 18 May , 2005 Dear Philip, This time correct Taken from http://www.worldwar1.com/sfclyde.htm The disposition of troops on board was as follows: No. 1 Hold (upper deck). 'X', 'Y' and 'Z' companies, Royal Munster Fusiliers. No. 1 Hold (lower deck). 'W' company, Royal Munster Fusiliers. One company Royal Dublin Fusiliers. No. 2 Hold. Two companies Hampshire Regiment. One company West Riding Field Engineers. No,s. 3 and 4 Holds. Two sub-divisions Field Ambulance. One platoon 'Anson' Battalion Royal Naval Division. One signal section. Go there also for further reading cheers eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oak Posted 19 May , 2005 Author Share Posted 19 May , 2005 Many thanks Michael and Eric. (I am awaiting a copy of the Rudges "Helles Landing" at my local bookshop.) Regards, Philip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Devitt Posted 24 March , 2007 Share Posted 24 March , 2007 I would be most interested in building up a database of men who landed from the Clyde at V beach. All contributions most welcome. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Hi Ken ! Is this what you want ... or are you looking for lists ?? JARRETT Charles Harry Brownlow Major 1st Battalion, The Royal Munster Fusiliers. 29th Division. Killed in action on ‘V’ beach during the Gallipoli Landings 25. 4.15. age 40. Son of Colonel H.S.Jarrett (CTE) and Mrs. Agnes Jarrett of South Lodge, East Grinstead. Buried Lancashire Landing Cemetery, Gallipoli. http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Sussex/EastGrinstead.html Medal card of Jarrett, Charles Harry Brownlow Royal Munster Fusiliers Major Munster Fusiliers Major Date 1914-1920 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01df/ In Memory of Major CHARLES HARRY BROWNLOW JARRETT 1st Bn., Royal Munster Fusiliers who died age 40 on 25 April 1915 Son of Col. H. S. Jarrett, C.I.E., and Mrs. Jarrett. Remembered with honour LANCASHIRE LANDING CEMETERY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Devitt Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Yes indeed Annie, All information identifying the men who landed from the Clyde, wheter it be lists or details, is much appreciated. Regards, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarvis Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Have you read Les Carlyson's Gallipoli yet? Plenty of info in this book regarding v beach and the Clyde. Jarvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirlD Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Hi Ken, This may be way off, but from a document on Hellfire Corner, there is a letter from John Guy Gilbert, 6 East Lancashire Regiment, and I quote: "we went ashore at V beach via the River Clyde but there was little evidence of the terrible struggle there had been around her on April 25. That was on June 28 and as I didn't keep a diary the sequence of events for the next month until August 2nd when I was taken off in another collier to a hospital ship is not very clear". This caught my eye as my father in law was with the 6 East Lancs' Are you looking for the people involved with the April 25 action? Cheers Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Devitt Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Thanks for the interest Shirley. My intention was to focus on the initial assault of April 25th. and the men who took part in it. Information is always wecome. Jarvis, ashamed to say I have'nt read it but will make a point of it. Regards, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 In Memory of Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. WILLIAM JOSEPH FINN Army Chaplains' Department who died on 25 April 1915 Remembered with honour V BEACH CEMETERY He is believed to be the first Chaplain to fall in WW1 The Reverend W N Finn, Chaplain to the Forces (4th Class) who was killed on 25 April 1915 Joint Grave F. 4. Medal card of Finn, W Army Chaplain's Department Reverend Army Chaplain's Department Temporary Chaplain 4th Class Date 1914-1920 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01dg/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Is it possible to ask CWGC for a list of the men who died that day at V Beach ? or would they do that ? http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_detail...0108&mode=1 Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirlD Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Les Carlyon's book on page 199 says "Two thousand men would be on the River Clyde: all the Munsters, the two companies of Hampshires, one company of Dubliners, a few RND troops, including Sub-Lieutenant Arthur Tisdall, and two members of Hamilton's staff, Williams, and Lt. Col. "Dick" Doughty-Wylie" In 2005 Chris and I went round about 4 CWG Cemetaries at Helles, including Doughty-Wylie, the Anzac Beaches and then another 4 at Suvla. This is a huge task you have undertaken - good on you! There are other individual names mentioned, if this is helpful. Cheers Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMHart Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Hi, The courage of the men landing from the River Clyde (and the Dublins simultaneous landing from tows) at V Beach has rightly been much praised over the last 92 years. But even more worthy of record would be the names of the 60 - 100 Turks that held back for a whole day a force that outnumbered them by more than 20 to 1. ALthough the expedition was doomed to failure their stout resistance certainly underlined the Turkish determination to resist every step of the way. Some of the Turkish experts claim they didn't even have machine guns on V Beach, but I think that they probably had two Maxims (one high on the left centre, one in the fort?) and possibly a pom-pom had survived the attentions of the Royal Navy. It was a W Beach where it seems certain that the Turks had no machine guns. But rapid aimed rifle fire, from above, onto a concentrated target would be too deadly for any of us to contemplate facing I'm sure... Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Hi Pete ! Has anybody done that - do you know ?? Everybody ( the politicians and the military men ) rather took the Turks for granted - assuming they would be a "pushover " ..... but the Turks would not stand down .... they were defending their country ! Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Saunders Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Everybody ( the politicians and the military men ) rather took the Turks for granted - assuming they would be a "pushover " ..... I think Churchill (First Lord of the Admiralty) had sent a couple of gun-boats to pound the Dardanelles forts about 6 months earlier and there had been little or no return of fire from the Turks. I understand this led to the expectation that the Turks would simply run away. Reagrds, Jon S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMHart Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Has anybody done that - do you know ?? Annie I don't think they have named them and there is some confusion as to how many there actually were hence my 60-100 vagueness! I must ask Tolga Ornek - he did a mass of research for the Gallipoli film not yet released here. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Heartbreak for all nations ! Gallipoli http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5LgUx5FHSU Annie and also this haunting one ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarvis Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Hi, The courage of the men landing from the River Clyde (and the Dublins simultaneous landing from tows) at V Beach has rightly been much praised over the last 92 years. But even more worthy of record would be the names of the 60 - 100 Turks that held back for a whole day a force that outnumbered them by more than 20 to 1. ALthough the expedition was doomed to failure their stout resistance certainly underlined the Turkish determination to resist every step of the way. Some of the Turkish experts claim they didn't even have machine guns on V Beach, but I think that they probably had two Maxims (one high on the left centre, one in the fort?) and possibly a pom-pom had survived the attentions of the Royal Navy. It was a W Beach where it seems certain that the Turks had no machine guns. But rapid aimed rifle fire, from above, onto a concentrated target would be too deadly for any of us to contemplate facing I'm sure... Pete Good to hear an objective view from this campaign. I have thought about the Turkisk side of things, but shamed to say, never researched, or read too much into it. There were many sides in this war and all were men, like you or I, doing what they had to do. I have been too enrapt in the bravado and shortcomings of the Landings to think of the 'recieving' end of things. Well put Pete. Jarvis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Wales Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 You may be interested in this link about Williams VC and the River Clyde http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/4939738.stm There are mentions of him elsewhere in the Forum and a few other links on 'Google' as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Devitt Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Hi Annie and friends, Sincere thanks for the contributions. At this point in time I would like to put names to the Clyde lads, after which their stories can be told. All additions are most welcome, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Devitt Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Les Carlyon's book on page 199 says "Two thousand men would be on the River Clyde: all the Munsters, the two companies of Hampshires, one company of Dubliners, a few RND troops, including Sub-Lieutenant Arthur Tisdall, and two members of Hamilton's staff, Williams, and Lt. Col. "Dick" Doughty-Wylie" In 2005 Chris and I went round about 4 CWG Cemetaries at Helles, including Doughty-Wylie, the Anzac Beaches and then another 4 at Suvla. This is a huge task you have undertaken - good on you! There are other individual names mentioned, if this is helpful. Cheers Shirley Shirley, Give me all you got. It seemed a straight foreward task when I first thought of it, but I guess this is going to be a long labour of love. No doubt I'll get by with a litle help from my friends! Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 25 March , 2007 Share Posted 25 March , 2007 Oh Ken .................... !! Look what I found Googling ? ....... it was a reply from Steve Morse on another Forum a few years ago ...... The River Clyde was beached at 'V' Beach and amongst the Battalions were 1st Bn Royal Munsters, 1st Royal Dublin Fusiliers and 2nd Hampshires - all part of 29th Division - the last Regular Div to be sent in to a theatre of war. The River Clyde had - 4 companies of Munsters, 2 of Hampshires and one of 1st Dublins. A quarter of the Divisions strength (13,000 men ) where casualties after the landing on 25th April. Don't want to put you off or anything !! And this too ..... something I didn't know ...... It is a little known fact that numerous Ceylon volunteers fought in some of the bloodiest battles and campaigns of the First World War. For instance, on the Gallipoli Peninsula at Cape Helles on April 25, 1915, a Ceylon volunteer in the Royal Munster Fusiliers recalled the extremely bloody 'V' beach landing: "This was pure slaughter, but on they came, boat after boat and down the gangways went the troops on the 'Clyde' led by their valiant officers, all to meet the same fate. It was an inspiring although ghastly sight, never to be forgotten, to see the magnificent Dublins and Munsters force the landing on that small formidable stretch of beach, dominated at point blank range by the enfilading Turkish fire. ...where was the glory of war? Men who had spent their lifetime training as soldiers piteously mowed down as they stormed that beach mostly without exchanging a shot." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirlD Posted 26 March , 2007 Share Posted 26 March , 2007 Annie, Those links were very moving - have forwarded to husband Chris to add to his Gallipoli stuff he presents to his social studies class - the boys will think he is "way cool" when they research utube in class. Thank you Ken, A few more names from the book: Sub Lt Arthur Tisdall Lt Col Weir de Lancy Williams Commander Unwin Able seaman William Williams Captain Henderson's company Captain Geddes' company Commander Josiah Wedgwood ic machine guns on Clyde Cheers Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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