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Remembered Today:

Royal Marines photo album and scrap book


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Thanks Tim - i'll have a look at the photographs you mention.

I think some of these pictures may have been taken in South Africa judging by the description under this next picture:

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"Cape Maclean from Cape Point (recommended for beaching ships!)"

Does anyone recognise any of these coastal shots as South Africa?

Mark

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Thanks Tim - i'll have a look at the photographs you mention.

I think some of these pictures may have been taken in South Africa judging by the description under this next picture:

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"Cape Maclean from Cape Point (recommended for beaching ships!)"

Does anyone recognise any of these coastal shots as South Africa?

Mark

Hi Mark

Cape Point and Cape Maclea® are at the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Point being

60 km southwest from Cape Town at the entrance to False Bay which includes

the Naval Base at Simons Town.

Hope this helps

John

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Cape Point and Cape Maclea® are at the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Point being

60 km southwest from Cape Town at the entrance to False Bay which includes

the Naval Base at Simons Town.

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Thanks for the information - I would guess he was probably stationed at Simonstown then as there are a number of pictures of it in the album, both of the harbour and the town itself.

Mark.

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I've only heard mention of Barry serving on HMS Bacchante but there are also photos taken on other ships. Maybe he served on them at some point as well......?

Mark.

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Quote; HMS Bacchante at Gallipoli. Apparently due to her distinctive 4 funnels she earned the nickname "Packet Of Woodbines" which is a brand of cigarettes

Small point, but for the sake of accuracy

The Russian light cruise ‘Askold’ built 1903, had five (5) ‘extemely tall perpendicular funnels’ and at Gallipoli was known as ‘the Packet of Woodbines’

see Alan Moorehead’s ‘Gallipoli’ page 105

Woodbines in packets of five were available well into my school days in the 1950s

Regards

Michael D.R.

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No takers on HMS Ibro or Staff Surg'n Mouatt. So how about this one: who is he and what on earth is he doing?

Mark.

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Or maybe you can help me out: I'm assuming "Surg'n" means "Surgeon" as in a medical doctor. But I am quite aware of my own ignorance and it could mean something completely different.

If Surg'n Muir is a doctor I dread to think what medical procedure he's carrying out.......!?

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No takers on HMS Ibro or Staff Surg'n Mouatt. So how about this one: who is he and what on earth is he doing?

Mark.

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Mark

There is a J.R. MUIR in "THE NAVAL WHO'S WHO 1917"

"MUIR Fleet Surgeon J.R., took part in the Battle of Jutland, 31st MAY, 1916, and was commended for his

services in the action (London Gazette, 15th Sept. 1916)"

Could this be you man!

There was or is a rank of Staff-Surgeon but have no information on Mouatt.

Regards John

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There is a J.R. MUIR in "THE NAVAL WHO'S WHO 1917"

Thanks John - that could well be him I think. Any idea which ships he served on? I'm still wondering what he's doing in the above photo....

i'll continue posting a few more photos from the album in case anyone is interested,

Mark.

(What's a "Q boat"?)

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Quote; HMS Bacchante at Gallipoli. Apparently due to her distinctive 4 funnels she earned the nickname "Packet Of Woodbines" which is a brand of cigarettes

Small point, but for the sake of accuracy

The Russian light cruise ‘Askold’ built 1903, had five (5) ‘extemely tall perpendicular funnels’ and at Gallipoli was known as ‘the Packet of Woodbines’

see Alan Moorehead’s ‘Gallipoli’ page 105

Woodbines in packets of five were available well into my school days in the 1950s

Regards

Michael D.R.

Well I'll have to correct the AWM then, since this is where I got the info from! :)

Cheers,

Tim

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No takers on HMS Ibro or Staff Surg'n Mouatt. So how about this one: who is he and what on earth is he doing?

Mark.

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He appears to be looking through the telescopic sights of a gun and adjusting the elevation wheel. The discs would be graduated for range and deflection.

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This shows a similar system for a 6" gun.

Regards

Bob

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Guest MightyBigEgo

Have joined this forum specifically so i can reply to the original post. My great grandfather, A/B William John Thomas pannett, served in HMS Bacchante from 27.09.1917 - 13.02.1919 before dying of flu whilst being demobbed on 25.02.1919. As such I have reserached Bacchante through the web and will gladly share what I have learnt:

HMS Bacchante was a Cressy class armoured cruiser launched in february 1901 for the RN at a cost of £800,000 and was built in Clydebank by the John Brown yard.

Displacement: 12,000 tons

Length: 472 feet

Beam: 69 feet 6 inches

Draught: 26 feet

Best Speed: 21.75 knots

Complement: 760

Propulsion: 2 shaft triple expansion engines, 21,520bhp

Armament: 2x9.2inch, 12x6inch, 3x3pounder, 2x 1.8inch torpedo tubes

The Cressy class armoured cruisers reintroduced the 9.2 inch gun but were criticised for only carrying two of them. The lower 6 inch casemate guns were very wet in a seaway. The class were built to defend merchant shipping against raids by French cruisers and to operate with the battle fleet and were all sheathed for tropical service.

The introduction of Krupp armour enabled this class to re-introduce side armour in the British cruisers, making them the first modern armoured cruisers in the Royal Navy. The class also were the first British ships to use wood that had been treated to be fire proof. The armour comprised 6 2inch belt, 6 inch barbettes, 6 inch turret faces and 3 1inch decks

She part part of:

7th cruiser Squadron North Sea as part of Cruiser Force C

28 August 14 Covering force at battle of Heliogoland Bight

October 1914 Escorted convoy to Gibraltar

February 1915 Suez Canal, the Defence of Egypt

April 1915-1916 Dardanelles. Baccante took part in the landing at Anzac Cove during the Battle of Gallipoli in 1915. When the infantry came under fire from Turkish artillery at Gaba Tepe, Bacchante approached close in to shore and fired directly on the gun emplacements in an attempt to silence them.

1917 9th Cruiser Squadron West Africa.

Battle Honours: Heligoland Bight 1914

Dardanelles 1915

Fate: sold for scrap 1 July 1920

Also King George V served on her whilst a midshipman before the war.

Thanks to those who have posted wartime pictures of her - I was wondering if there were any of her around!!!

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hi,

did you also know the "bacchante" took a prize,she was the "viganella" a german sailing barque out of south america she had been at sea for a couple of months and unfortunatley ran into bacchante,this is the only picture i know of her (at the moment) regards jamesbow

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(What's a "Q boat"?)

A Q Boat is a Patrol Craft (Converted Patrol Craft). They were also known as Submarine Decoy Vessels. There were 19 of these built between 1917 and 1918. The aft 4 inch gun was hidden behind various forms of dummy deck loads, e.g., bales or packing cases of merchandise, trusses of hay: in a few boats it was located within a collapsible pantech furniture van, or under a dummy boat built in folding sections. They also carried two 12pdr guns and around 30 depth charges. It was expected that, on account of shallow draught, torpedoes fired by U-boats would under-run these PC-boats, while, if hit by torpedo, bulge protection and special fillings would keep them afloat long enough to destroy the U-boat. These ships had no names but carried the designation PC followed by a two digit number.

Cheers,

Tim

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Having been away for a week or so I am very interested to see the posts to this thread during that time - thank you everyone.

Hello "MightyBigEgo" - it seems that our great grandfathers were on Bacchante at the same time so maybe they knew each other. Thanks for your posts and i'm glad you found the photos interesting.

Bob, thanks for the details on the 6" gun. Assuming Surg'n Muir was a medical doctor, I therefore assume that the shot was completely posed and in no way reflects him carrying out his duties whilst on board!

Regards,

Mark.

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