wilkokcl Posted 9 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 9 April , 2006 Thanks Tim - i'll have a look at the photographs you mention. I think some of these pictures may have been taken in South Africa judging by the description under this next picture: "Cape Maclean from Cape Point (recommended for beaching ships!)" Does anyone recognise any of these coastal shots as South Africa? Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 9 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 9 April , 2006 And who are these people?: some in uniform, some definitely not. Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spithead Posted 9 April , 2006 Share Posted 9 April , 2006 Thanks Tim - i'll have a look at the photographs you mention. I think some of these pictures may have been taken in South Africa judging by the description under this next picture: "Cape Maclean from Cape Point (recommended for beaching ships!)" Does anyone recognise any of these coastal shots as South Africa? Mark Hi Mark Cape Point and Cape Maclea® are at the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Point being 60 km southwest from Cape Town at the entrance to False Bay which includes the Naval Base at Simons Town. Hope this helps John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ackimzey Posted 13 April , 2006 Share Posted 13 April , 2006 Very interesting, thank you for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 18 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 April , 2006 Cape Point and Cape Maclea® are at the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Point being 60 km southwest from Cape Town at the entrance to False Bay which includes the Naval Base at Simons Town. Thanks for the information - I would guess he was probably stationed at Simonstown then as there are a number of pictures of it in the album, both of the harbour and the town itself. Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 18 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 April , 2006 I've only heard mention of Barry serving on HMS Bacchante but there are also photos taken on other ships. Maybe he served on them at some point as well......? Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 18 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 18 April , 2006 HMS IBRO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 18 April , 2006 Share Posted 18 April , 2006 Quote; HMS Bacchante at Gallipoli. Apparently due to her distinctive 4 funnels she earned the nickname "Packet Of Woodbines" which is a brand of cigarettes Small point, but for the sake of accuracy The Russian light cruise ‘Askold’ built 1903, had five (5) ‘extemely tall perpendicular funnels’ and at Gallipoli was known as ‘the Packet of Woodbines’ see Alan Moorehead’s ‘Gallipoli’ page 105 Woodbines in packets of five were available well into my school days in the 1950s Regards Michael D.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 19 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 19 April , 2006 How about this chap: can anyone suggest who, what or where? Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 20 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 20 April , 2006 No takers on HMS Ibro or Staff Surg'n Mouatt. So how about this one: who is he and what on earth is he doing? Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 20 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 20 April , 2006 Or maybe you can help me out: I'm assuming "Surg'n" means "Surgeon" as in a medical doctor. But I am quite aware of my own ignorance and it could mean something completely different. If Surg'n Muir is a doctor I dread to think what medical procedure he's carrying out.......!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spithead Posted 20 April , 2006 Share Posted 20 April , 2006 No takers on HMS Ibro or Staff Surg'n Mouatt. So how about this one: who is he and what on earth is he doing? Mark. Mark There is a J.R. MUIR in "THE NAVAL WHO'S WHO 1917" "MUIR Fleet Surgeon J.R., took part in the Battle of Jutland, 31st MAY, 1916, and was commended for his services in the action (London Gazette, 15th Sept. 1916)" Could this be you man! There was or is a rank of Staff-Surgeon but have no information on Mouatt. Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 21 April , 2006 Author Share Posted 21 April , 2006 There is a J.R. MUIR in "THE NAVAL WHO'S WHO 1917" Thanks John - that could well be him I think. Any idea which ships he served on? I'm still wondering what he's doing in the above photo.... i'll continue posting a few more photos from the album in case anyone is interested, Mark. (What's a "Q boat"?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted 22 April , 2006 Share Posted 22 April , 2006 Quote; HMS Bacchante at Gallipoli. Apparently due to her distinctive 4 funnels she earned the nickname "Packet Of Woodbines" which is a brand of cigarettes Small point, but for the sake of accuracy The Russian light cruise ‘Askold’ built 1903, had five (5) ‘extemely tall perpendicular funnels’ and at Gallipoli was known as ‘the Packet of Woodbines’ see Alan Moorehead’s ‘Gallipoli’ page 105 Woodbines in packets of five were available well into my school days in the 1950s Regards Michael D.R. Well I'll have to correct the AWM then, since this is where I got the info from! Cheers, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob H Posted 24 April , 2006 Share Posted 24 April , 2006 No takers on HMS Ibro or Staff Surg'n Mouatt. So how about this one: who is he and what on earth is he doing? Mark. He appears to be looking through the telescopic sights of a gun and adjusting the elevation wheel. The discs would be graduated for range and deflection. This shows a similar system for a 6" gun. Regards Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MightyBigEgo Posted 30 April , 2006 Share Posted 30 April , 2006 Have joined this forum specifically so i can reply to the original post. My great grandfather, A/B William John Thomas pannett, served in HMS Bacchante from 27.09.1917 - 13.02.1919 before dying of flu whilst being demobbed on 25.02.1919. As such I have reserached Bacchante through the web and will gladly share what I have learnt: HMS Bacchante was a Cressy class armoured cruiser launched in february 1901 for the RN at a cost of £800,000 and was built in Clydebank by the John Brown yard. Displacement: 12,000 tons Length: 472 feet Beam: 69 feet 6 inches Draught: 26 feet Best Speed: 21.75 knots Complement: 760 Propulsion: 2 shaft triple expansion engines, 21,520bhp Armament: 2x9.2inch, 12x6inch, 3x3pounder, 2x 1.8inch torpedo tubes The Cressy class armoured cruisers reintroduced the 9.2 inch gun but were criticised for only carrying two of them. The lower 6 inch casemate guns were very wet in a seaway. The class were built to defend merchant shipping against raids by French cruisers and to operate with the battle fleet and were all sheathed for tropical service. The introduction of Krupp armour enabled this class to re-introduce side armour in the British cruisers, making them the first modern armoured cruisers in the Royal Navy. The class also were the first British ships to use wood that had been treated to be fire proof. The armour comprised 6 2inch belt, 6 inch barbettes, 6 inch turret faces and 3 1inch decks She part part of: 7th cruiser Squadron North Sea as part of Cruiser Force C 28 August 14 Covering force at battle of Heliogoland Bight October 1914 Escorted convoy to Gibraltar February 1915 Suez Canal, the Defence of Egypt April 1915-1916 Dardanelles. Baccante took part in the landing at Anzac Cove during the Battle of Gallipoli in 1915. When the infantry came under fire from Turkish artillery at Gaba Tepe, Bacchante approached close in to shore and fired directly on the gun emplacements in an attempt to silence them. 1917 9th Cruiser Squadron West Africa. Battle Honours: Heligoland Bight 1914 Dardanelles 1915 Fate: sold for scrap 1 July 1920 Also King George V served on her whilst a midshipman before the war. Thanks to those who have posted wartime pictures of her - I was wondering if there were any of her around!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MightyBigEgo Posted 30 April , 2006 Share Posted 30 April , 2006 Further to my note above, here is HMS Bacchante's crest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbow Posted 1 May , 2006 Share Posted 1 May , 2006 hi, did you also know the "bacchante" took a prize,she was the "viganella" a german sailing barque out of south america she had been at sea for a couple of months and unfortunatley ran into bacchante,this is the only picture i know of her (at the moment) regards jamesbow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Posted 3 May , 2006 Share Posted 3 May , 2006 (What's a "Q boat"?) A Q Boat is a Patrol Craft (Converted Patrol Craft). They were also known as Submarine Decoy Vessels. There were 19 of these built between 1917 and 1918. The aft 4 inch gun was hidden behind various forms of dummy deck loads, e.g., bales or packing cases of merchandise, trusses of hay: in a few boats it was located within a collapsible pantech furniture van, or under a dummy boat built in folding sections. They also carried two 12pdr guns and around 30 depth charges. It was expected that, on account of shallow draught, torpedoes fired by U-boats would under-run these PC-boats, while, if hit by torpedo, bulge protection and special fillings would keep them afloat long enough to destroy the U-boat. These ships had no names but carried the designation PC followed by a two digit number. Cheers, Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilkokcl Posted 7 May , 2006 Author Share Posted 7 May , 2006 Having been away for a week or so I am very interested to see the posts to this thread during that time - thank you everyone. Hello "MightyBigEgo" - it seems that our great grandfathers were on Bacchante at the same time so maybe they knew each other. Thanks for your posts and i'm glad you found the photos interesting. Bob, thanks for the details on the 6" gun. Assuming Surg'n Muir was a medical doctor, I therefore assume that the shot was completely posed and in no way reflects him carrying out his duties whilst on board! Regards, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob H Posted 8 May , 2006 Share Posted 8 May , 2006 Mark That seems the most likely explanation. Regards Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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