garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 Just now, garywoolhouse said: Anyone the insignia on my grandad uniform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 The two parallel bars could be two wound stripes perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 My grandfather was in the 8th koyli would there war diaries be in there or different as he was in vickers team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 3 minutes ago, Allan1892 said: The two parallel bars could be two wound stripes perhaps? Yes i believe so , its is regiment badges im trying to trace , thanks Allan 9 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: Anyone the insignia on my grandad uniform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: Anyone the insignia on my grandad uniform I think it’s probably a skill-at-arms badge that incorporates an encircling Laurel wreath, and if an infantryman it’s likely to be MG, or perhaps LG, depending upon the date. Edited 1 November , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 WOW thankyou , what would it be issued for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonbem Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 try here Search results: 8 battalion kings own yorkshire light infantry | The National Archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 Thankyou , so vickers teams didn't have their own records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, garywoolhouse said: WOW thankyou , what would it be issued for On the lower left sleeve it meant a man who had been trained and qualified to operate a machine gun. Which machine gun depended upon date. Early in the war some men were selected to operate the Vickers Gun, but as the army went into 1916 the Vickers was extracted from infantry battalions and centralised in a new and highly specialised ‘Machine Gun Corps’ that would initially operate at infantry brigade level (later infantry division level). Within the infantry battalions that capability was then replaced by the Lewis Gun (hence LG) which was issued on a much wider scale down to platoon level. The two vertical stripes indicated that he had been wounded on two separate occasions, one stripe for each. Edited 1 November , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 Thankyou this Is his regiment does that match what your saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: Thankyou this Is his regiment does that match what your saying Yes it does. He was with the 2nd Battalion of the York and Lancaster Regiment, one of two regular army battalions within that regiment. The regimental headquarters and principal training depot was in Pontefract. Edited 1 November , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 Thanks. Was he down as being in to regiments and if so how would that work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: Thanks. Was he down as being in to regiments and if so how would that work I’m sorry I don’t understand your question. Can you rephrase it? Before being with the 2nd Battalion he appears to have been with the 2/4th Battalion, which was a second line (initially Home Service only) Battalion of the auxiliary Territorial Force (prewar part time soldiers who trained local to their homes on a weekly basis. It’s probable that he joined them quite soon after he enlisted unless he was with them before the war. Edited 1 November , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 On the medal role it says 2nd york and lancs and 2/4th york and lancs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: Great photo! Thanks for posting. The officer certainly isn't standing on pomp by kneeling in the mud - I'm struggling to see his rank on his cuff, so thinking it must be on his shoulder. A range of types of belts, some Good Conduct chevrons, no Wound Stripes or Overseas Chevrons nor medals to my eyes [which could be fallible]. = Do you have a date and/or place for it? M Edited 1 November , 2023 by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: On the medal role it says 2nd york and lancs and 2/4th york and lancs Yes, sorry I was just editing. It seems likely that he was with 2/4th whilst in Britain, but sent to the 2nd Battalion when he arrived in France. Edited 1 November , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 Thats grandad in picture and also him when he was wounded , unsure of date but im guessing its later on in war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 13 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: Yes, sorry I was just editing. It seems likely that he was with 2/4th whilst in Britain, but sent to the 2nd Battalion when he arrived in France. 13 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: Yes, sorry I was just editing. It seems likely that he was with 2/4th whilst in Britain, but sent to the 2nd Battalion when he arrived in France. Thanks. Was he down as being in to regiments and if so how would that work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 Thanks , I know he was up in the northeast for a while we're he met his first wife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 5 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: Thats grandad in picture and also him when he was wounded , unsure of date but im guessing its later on in war Love the hospital photo too. Circled and with the stick? = Those might help if you are prepared to offer a name or a Casualty List date ... or perhaps one/some could be found for you?? M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) Frog, I think he means two regiments when he says to regiments. Gary, is the same grandad who was a LG L/Cpl in the 8th KOYLI? Edited 1 November , 2023 by PhilB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: Thanks. Was he down as being in to regiments and if so how would that work He was in the same regiment, the York and Lancaster Regiment, throughout. The 2/4th Battalion and the 2nd Battalion were just two units within the same regiment. As mentioned it’s likely that he served in Britain with one of them and in France with the other. Edited 1 November , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 He served In France from 26th August 1915 until been wounded and leaving France on the 18th June 1917 , don't know if that was when he was wounded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garywoolhouse Posted 1 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2023 Cheers , I wonder if these are the same badges as my grandfathers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 November , 2023 Share Posted 1 November , 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, garywoolhouse said: Cheers , I wonder if these are the same badges as my grandfathers Yes it is, both 1/4th and 2/4th Territorial Force Battalions of the York and Lancaster Regiment had the secondary title of ‘Hallamshire’. From the LongLongTrail adjunct to this forum: “2/4th (Hallamshire) Battalion Formed at Sheffield on 21 September 1914 as a second line unit. Moved in March 1915 to Nottingham and joined 187th Brigade in 62nd (2nd West Riding) Division. Moved to Streshall Common on 10 April 1915, Beverley in July, Gateshead in November, Larkhill in January 1916, Flixton Park (Bungay) in June and finally Wellingborough in December 1916. 15 January 1917: landed at Le Havre.” @poona guard is carrying out a study into TF cloth arm badges and might be interested to see your photographs. Edited 1 November , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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